Cory's Corner: Key To Winning Is On The Line

Plenty of question marks loom on the defensive and offensive lines. 

It’s an age-old adage. 

If you’re going to win football games consistently, you have to win the line of scrimmage. 

Coming into this season, Pro Football Focus has Green Bay’s defensive line ranked No. 19. What’s worse is that Kenny Clark, arguably the crown jewel of this unit, has seen his production get progressively worse since 2019. Last year was his worst season since his rookie campaign of 2022. 

There are also a lot of question marks as well. What can Devonte Wyatt bring in his sophomore season after barely playing last year? How much can the Packers expect from rookie Lukas Van Ness? And when Rashan Gary does return from an ACL injury, what will he look like?

Transition to offense and the Packers offensive line looks to be much better. That unit is ranked No. 8 coming into this season. I really love this offensive line because there are so many interchangeable parts. My favorite player is Elgton Jenkins because he has done everything that has been asked of him — even though his numbers peaked in 2021 and he has battled injuries since. There is also Zach Tom. The 2022 fourth round pick started five games last year and in those games he proved that the Packers mined a gem. 

The reason why I’m concerned with this unit is because of David Bakhtiari. He rebounded from an average year by Bakhtiari standards to one that raised a lot of eyebrows. He was in the mix as one of the top 15 offensive linemen in the league — at age 31. But there is a double edged sword to that as well. Can Bakhtiari’s knee make it an entire season? And if it can’t, can the offensive line win another game of Musical Chairs?

These rankings are interesting to me because as it stands right now with training camp on the doorstep, I actually like the defensive line more. There is a much higher ceiling with that group and they are younger and healthier. Packers offensive line coach Luke Butkus is going to have his hands full if Bakhtiari cannot stay healthy and if right guard Jon Runyan cannot be more consistent. 

A lot of people are wondering how Jordan Love will do this year, but the most important thing about Love’s play will depend on his offensive line — especially if the Packers lean on the running game more. 

Expectations are low for the defensive line, but that doesn’t mean that it cannot produce. I expect that unit to lead the entire defense and put this team in position to win. 

Aaron Rodgers was able to hide a lot of offensive line warts with his decision making and ability to manipulate the pocket. I don’t think Love will be able to do that, at least not right away. 

If the Packers want to win the NFC North, it’s not through Love, Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon or the receivers. It’s through the defensive and offensive lines operating consistently and winning the line of scrimmage by forcing long third downs on defense and manageable third downs on offense. 

 

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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn

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PatrickGB's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:06 am

It all starts up front. I am not worried about Bahk and Clark. David is pretty honest about how he feels and while he is aging he has a ton of experience. Kenny needs a supporting cast. He cannot be the whole defensive line by himself.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:14 pm

Pat, I've yet to see Bakh do anything but DOMINATE in any film. Of course that's looking at highlights of what's worked, not when our O collapsed. Jenkins at LG held up very well but didn't dominate to the extent Bakh did. Our right side would do well to match their dominance. Myers at C seems like our weak spot, hopefully someone steps up to at least challenge him for the position but we don't see that yet.

If all 5 positions can dominate, everything else works. If it collapses JL10 has no chance. If he goes down to injury I don't think we have a 49ers happy ending.

Our defensive line? Questions everywhere except Kenny Clarke. Lots of optimism right now, but SO MUCH depends on our coaching staff making good on that "draft and develop" pipeline ...

We'll get to see that under the microscope, but I'm not sure how we evaluate that fairly? I look for every player to give 100% effort on every play, every game, all season long. We certainly didn't see that last season and I don't know if that's more due to players or coaches. Fix that and maybe it sets the personality for a DOMINANT team for the next decade +.

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Coldworld's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:09 am

Last year we saw defenses increasingly packing the first ten yards. With, for the most part, the Packers still running or passing into that space with the odd deep throw. That’s an invitation to put any OL under pressure.

For most of his career, Rodgers was a major deterrent to teams considering a blitz heavy approach. Not only was Rodgers very good at sensing and escaping, he was notoriously effective as a passer when doing so. That has statistically not been the case recently and more so last season. At the same time, his agility and ability to escape and convert with his feet is diminished.

So starting out, I think the reality is that the drop off is appreciably less than you describe. Love in fact could prove helpful to the OL if he can harness his greater current athleticism. In addition, if this year’s offensive design is more varied in terms of personnel, predictability and stretching the field, then that will help the OL and Love. Some no huddle and other variations not seem recently may also assist.

Bakh is our best LT. However, Nijman actually wasn’t a liability at LT at all when he played by any metric I’m aware of. Nor was Jenkins pre injury, from which he should now be fully recovered. Tom too performed promisingly. We didn’t collapse on the left without Bakh at any point other than the Championship game where we bafflingly ditched the line that got us there in favor of a wholly rejigged one. If Bakh goes down, we have players who certainly have not been a liability at LT. I think you can relax on this concern for the most part, unless we start to get a run of injuries.

I expect teams to go after Love early. I hope Love is in an offense less calculated to invite and facilitate that. Then it’s up to him to show he can make teams pay with his feet as well as arm. So far, his technique on the move has looked the least sound. That’s something I hope they will be working on daily in camp. If Love can punish the rush, our OL will have an easier time. If our OL can be better run blocking, the both their chances increase too.

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KnockTheSnotOutOfYou's picture

July 01, 2023 at 09:07 am

Well said CW!

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PeteK's picture

July 02, 2023 at 02:53 pm

Opposing teams will be blitzing heavily. However, I agree, Love and especially Laflour must make the sprint and roll out part of their scheme. This will keep defenses more honest. I know this is not part of Lafleur's repertoire, but he should adjust to his personnel.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:32 pm

I expect Bakh to not play on turf, and actually look forward to it. If we have somebody to fill his shoes or not has a LOT to do with our cap situation next season.

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stockholder's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:25 am

It’s always been on the line.
From Clark getting doubled teamed.
To Bahk protecting Rodger’s blind side.
Nothings changed, except these two got old.
There is No improvement now.
Move here or there, never worked.
It’s a patch; that takes away the strength of unit.
Interchangeable parts look great on a paper.
But the failure and the injuries increase simnifically.
(When hasn’t a starting player moved, only too regress?)
Gone are Zone blocking secrets. All-pros performances.
And a unit that used Rodgers ability, as was stated.
I’m sure these coaches will find what goes where.
But there are a lot of combinations that must be unlocked.
Before we sing the praises of TITLE TOWN again.

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NickPerry's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:49 am

I think when we talk about the O-Line we have to take a look at Meyers and Runyan first and foremost. Meyers played in only 6 games his rookie year so last year was really year one IMO. Runyan has been good but not great. BOTH of those guys need to take a step forward IMO.

Not selecting Creed Humphrey has been one of Gutes biggest gaffs, but IF Meyers can take a step forward and be better, then that will be a HUGE step in this O-Line taking another step forward and the offense being consistent. If not, OR Zack Tom proves to be a better Center, you make the change. Nijman at RT makes this a very good O-Line. Nijman was pretty damn good last year until he tried to play through a shoulder injury he just couldn't play through.

On Defense much will depend on when Gary comes back but it's not just that. Wyatt HAS to take a huge leap and Slaton will need to as well. Now they have Wooden and Van Ness to throw in the mix and the Packers HAVE the players to be better which leaves the ILBs.

Campbell just needs to play better than last season. It would be great if he was the All-Pro he was in 2021 but better than 2022 would be a start. Quay Walker IMO will be the straw that stirs the whole damn drink. Watching him last season you could see the guy was different than any ILB the Packers have had in years. He's so damn fast and strong if he can just keep his emotions in check, the sky's the limit for this kid.

But the Packers HAVE to do what's best for the Green Bay Packers. IF Zack Tom isn't starting somewhere on this line that would mean that Runyan and Meyers have improved ... A LOT. I guess we'll see shortly and I can't wait!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:37 pm

Nick, while I hope to see someone challenge Myers for C, starting position is over rated. I just hope our coaching staff creates honest competition, and lets merit determine the roster. What a breath of fresh air that would be!

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TxFred's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:09 am

Totally agree. It all starts up front. IMO the OL is the teams weakest link. No additions. So means one think. They have to play better. End of. Crisp power drive blocking. Coordination with Dillon & Jones hitting the holes as they open. A fluid tight pocket for Love to stay upright. Basically, they need to work better together. Teams will test the OL. They need to be ready.
Challenge for Butkus to find the best 5 that get it work together. It can be done. The teams starts winning, they will all respond. Looking forward to a better OL year. GPG !!!!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:40 pm

Fred, well said. DeGuara and Kraft blocking for Quadzilla seems like a winning package to me. #33 and Musgrave looks like a completely different look for opposing defenses to try to cover. Some no huddle from JL10 could exploit that ...

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TKWorldWide's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:15 am

Greater commitment to the run, misdirection, play action, and blazing speed at receiver (including Musgrave in that category) will all help the OL.

DL: Wyatt needs to step up, Clark should return to form. GB plays so much nickel that a 3rd D-lineman’s value/impact is greatly reduced. But when they DO use a nose, it’s hard to believe that huge, strong Slaton can’t be at least average.

Injuries of course are an issue with the depth of any unit, so time will tell.

GPG!

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:42 pm

TK, exactly why I'm hoping our coaching staff is making the most of the whole 90 man roster. Development is in the spotlight, even past week 1 ...

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lou's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:16 am

Common sense piece, the game is about blocking and tackling and some very good points by our bloggers were stated. Unless a defensive line acquisition is in the works a defense that was near the bottom of the league in stopping the run did nothing (barring the 2 draft picks wildly exceed expectations) to address a major weakness. The offensive line on the other hand is not only solid but they have some real depth and could have as many as 2 not starting that could start for other teams with experience, can't remember when that was the case before.

Also in regards to stopping the run, the loss of Amos was big, say what you want but the guy posted every day and was a sure tackler and leader. On the other had his running mate for the season was just the opposite;

Of 87 safeties to play at least 300 snaps in 2022, Savage ranked 82nd in missed-tackle percentage, according to PFF. He’s had double-digits misses in each of his four seasons.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 01, 2023 at 04:38 pm

lou, as a team, the Packers had the 4th fewest missed tackles in the league, 59. Savage had 43 solo tackles, 5th best on the team.

Among the safeties in his draft class, he was the first safety off the board and has more interceptions and passes defended than the next three combined (thank you, Bill Huber).

Of 48 Safeties to play at least 200 snaps, his missed tackle percentage ranked 39th. Of course, when you're dealing with numbers like 43 solo tackles, even one or two missed tackles (a subjective evaluation) would have a strong effect.

Right now, at this moment, Savage is the best safety on the Packers roster, and a better overall safety than quite a few starting safeties in this league

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lou's picture

July 01, 2023 at 05:22 pm

Based on his athletic ability rating which our GM loves and with that in mind not only used a #1 pick for him but traded up to get that position to make that pick it would be great if he had earned the 5th year option. Your stats are valid but the coaching staff aware of where he was picked still benched him last year and if other injuries had not ocurred he may have sat the bench longer. What bothers me the most is it appears he does not like contact, RB's and WR's with the ball in their hands are elusive at that level but he has had a lot of whiffs and in addition with his great speed it gets negated as we see him having trouble turning around to locate long passes which after 4 years should not be a regular issue. Undersized Ford came in and still sold out tackling and had a great knack for intercepting the ball even with little prior time tacking defensive snaps after earning his spot on special teams with other teams.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 01, 2023 at 07:29 pm

Itt's a good thing that we did trade up for him, since the next three safeties taken have less passes defended, and interceptions, COMBINED, than does Savage.

Referencing his "benching''. He played one snap in the game against Philly, then he was inactive the next week in a win over Chicago, then we had a bye, and then played one snap in a win over the Rams. He started our last two games and played 100% of the snaps against the Lions.

I don't know why he wasn't playing during that stretch. I'm wondering if he was playing with an injury. Is there any official info on that?

EDIT: Oh my gosh. I really had to look deep for this one. It took me about 15 seconds:

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/packers-darnell-savage-d....

Apparently, he hurt his foot against Philly and it took a couple of weeks to heal. That's his "benching". Sheeesh.

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lou's picture

July 02, 2023 at 09:08 am

It looks like you, Joe Barry, and his Agent have a difference of opinion, check out Sports Illustrated take on his "benching";'

Asked about Savage’s tackling, in general, and his horrendous effort to take down Bills quarterback Josh Allen in the open field with an elbow on Sunday night, in particular, defensive coordinator Joe Barry talked in circles about how hard it is to teach tackling when the only time a defensive player gets to really tackle is during a game.

That’s an excuse, though. Working under the same constraints, fellow Packers safety Adrian Amos is one of the best open-field tacklers in the game. San Francisco safety Tashaun Gipson has 28 tackles without a miss. Tampa Bay’s Antoine Winfield has 39 tackles and one miss.

So, how do you take a bad tackler – one with a history of bad tackling and not just a slump – and make him a good tackler? That’s an especially relevant question ahead of Sunday’s game against the Detroit Lions. The Lions are only 1-6 but they’ve been superb on offense, especially at Ford Field. Running back D’Andre Swift and receiver Amon-Ra St. Brown can make defenders look silly.

“If you’re basketball player and you’re a bad free throw shooter, the way you do it is you go in the gym and you shoot 1,000 free throws,” Barry said. “It’s hard to create and do a full-speed tackling drill that you get realistically in an NFL football game. We have to create drills in practice that are as realistic as we can get in individual periods. And then the biggest thing we have to do is when we do practice full speed – even though we don’t tackle – you have to really, really be diligent and be good with your angles, be good with your leverage.

“We talk about mentally simulating a tackle because we physically can’t do it until it happens live on gameday. It’s just something we constantly preach and we constantly work on. Darnell, he put the work in this week, I promise you on that, on Wednesday and Thursday. Just something we have to keep preaching and keep working.”

Savage’s diminished play is a real problem, and not just for this week and this season. Savage didn’t have a good year last year, either, but general manager Brian Gutekunst flipped the switch on the fifth-year option. That means Savage will be playing for a guaranteed $7.9 million next season.

Year-to-year improvement, such as that of Gary, is the lifeblood for draft-and-develop teams like the Packers. It’s practically the expectation. Savage’s career, however, is headed the opposite direction.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 02, 2023 at 10:09 am

The article I linked was from SI.

He was hurt in Philly. He was Xrayed. He was put on the injured list. He was inactive, then we had a bye week. Then he played one snap. When he was healthy again, he played every snap.

If that's your view of a "benching", fine.

You want to talk about his poor attempt at tackling Josh Allen? He's one of the better, bigger, running QBs. I guess they were so upset at that he only played 100% of the defensive snaps in that game AND the two after that, before getting 98% of the snaps against Tennessee.

Then he got hurt....or as you put it, benched. When he was healed, he was back to 100% of the defensive snaps.

Your theory that he was benched for poor play doesn't seem to have very much documentation to support it.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 02, 2023 at 10:51 am

The start of a recent article from Bill Huber:

"Last season, Darnell Savage was benched. This season, Savage is expected to lead the Green Bay Packers’ safety corps.

What could go wrong?"

I know who I trust more. He's one of 6 safeties over the last 4 years to give up more than 12 TDs(15) and have a missed tackle rate above 10%. His play in the 1st Bears game and the Jets game was straight up putrid.

https://www.si.com/nfl/packers/news/26-days-until-training-camp-no-26-is...

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Leatherhead's picture

July 02, 2023 at 03:00 pm

He was benched when he hurt his foot. Before that, and after it healed, he was our starter.

I have to laugh at the article you cited. That was Huber before we lost to Detroit 16-9 (yeah, I know, it was because Savage sucked), before Savage was injured, and before he returned from injury to play 100% of the defensive snaps in the biggest game of the year.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 02, 2023 at 04:43 pm

More from Bill Huber, quoting Joe Barry:

""He got hurt the third play of the Philly game and then was hurt the last game (at Chicago). He’s come back healthy. I think that bye hit right at the right time for him to heal up from the injury he got against Philly. He’s had three really good days of practice the last couple days.”

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 02, 2023 at 11:29 am

The move up was not necessary and another draft pick was wasted. Abram was a SS and not on the radar; however, Rupp and Thornhill were still on the board and plucked later on. The steal of the draft for safeties was Chauncey Gardner-Johnson in round four. Toss in Mike Edwards from a bad ass Kentucky crew. I would have selected Montez Sweat and made the D-line formidable. He plucked down big cash for the Smiths when this draft oozed with Edge talent. The exercising of the fifth year option was some form of face-saving, or just a plain old panic move.

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Guam's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:08 am

"Unless a defensive line acquisition is in the works a defense that was near the bottom of the league in stopping the run did nothing (barring 2 draft picks wildly exceeding expectations) to address a major weakness."

Best comment of the day lou!

Replacing Reed and Lowery with Wyatt and two rookies will likely not improve the run defense. Wyatt may step up significantly, but expecting the rookies to be that good is unlikely. Gute needs to find some D-line help for next season.

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Coldworld's picture

July 02, 2023 at 08:25 am

Lowry was a liability when run at. He was decent on runs aiming outside, but against a north and south attack he was never strong. So in theory I don’t see it as implausible that we can improve in that this year. Reed is more difficult. His best play was in the passing game and has been as his career progressed, however, he was better last year versus the run than he had been for a while, if inconsistent.

As to how we get better versus the run, well that s a good question. Regardless of players for a moment, I see it as requiring us to adjust usages and calls. Add to that the mix of types individuals we’ve assembled, and I can’t figure out how that will all come together (and how Clark will be used effectively).

Will Clark’s role change more with Slaton and Ford (is he really going to be a factor—if not where’s the beef?) being the big men? If so, how often will there be two big guys plus Wyatt and how often is it going to be smaller types?

How Barry uses front 7 players individually and as a group has been one of my questions since the draft. It’s not one I have acquired any clearer understanding of yet. I am struggling to see how these fit together. Hopefully camp enlightens.

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LLCHESTY's picture

July 02, 2023 at 11:30 am

I really wanted to see Gutey draft another NT in the later rounds to push Ford and possibly Slaton. To me Ford didn't show enough in the preseason to justify a roster spot but they must see something they like in him to keep him there all year without playing.

I think Clark shed weight last offseason thinking his role was going to change somewhat and then Slaton got pushed around a bit early in the year so Clark had to play more NT. Now it looks like Clark will certainly be playing more DE this year because who else is there? Counting on a 4th and 6th round pick to both be ready to contribute meaningful snaps in base doesn't seem wise.

I thought Slaton got better as the year went on but he still has trouble disengaging and making a play or forcing a RB to alter his course. Hopefully Ford is ready to push him for PT if it's still an issue this year.

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jannes bjornson's picture

July 02, 2023 at 11:52 am

Wyatt is the 3 tech. Will Clark be able to flex out to 5 tech, or be double-teamed into obscurity? Slaton needs to see more time inside. Wooden should be a 5 tech guy. Maybe Brooks is a wild card? As you stated, Barry makes no sense as the strategist.

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Guam's picture

July 02, 2023 at 10:15 pm

I was never a fan of Lowery's, but expecting a 4th or 6th round rookie to be a better run defender straight out of the box is a big ask. And Wyatt will have to work to be as good as Reed. I just don't see where much improvement is going to happen in 2023 run defense unless Gute finds some veteran help or Slaton, Slayton and Ford significantly improve.

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Leatherhead's picture

July 03, 2023 at 09:39 am

We should stop the run so teams will pass more because it's better to give up 7 yards per pass attempt than 5 yards per run attempt.

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LeotisHarris's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:31 am

The recipe for success (and to stack successes)? Pad level.

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Johnblood27's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:57 am

Our lines are nobody's underdogs...

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TKWorldWide's picture

July 01, 2023 at 10:11 am

And highly successful.

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Ferrari-Driver's picture

July 01, 2023 at 02:54 pm

"If the Packers want to win the NFC North, it’s not through Love, Aaron Jones, AJ Dillon or the receivers. It’s through the defensive and offensive lines operating consistently and winning the line of scrimmage by forcing long third downs on defense and manageable third downs on offense."

For the Packers to win the division, it will take a "team" with solid play from all aspects, not just the offensive and defensive lines. Football is the consummate team sport where the whole is better than the sum of its parts.

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Tundraboy's picture

July 01, 2023 at 08:53 pm

All true but one of the best ways is when the lines get going and then everything else is that much easier and great things happen. GPG OL and DL lead the way.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:55 pm

Definitely it starts in the trenches! If our O line can dominate, everything works. I don't expect that to work 17 weeks, but hopefully more than 8.

Our D line is clearly less proven, but we have a LOT of talent on that side of the ball. Week 1 hopefully sets a winning tone ...

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Leatherhead's picture

July 01, 2023 at 04:24 pm

An organizational goal should be to put the best offensive line in the league on the field, year after year.

IMO, if we stay healthy on the line, they're going to block well enough for Dillon and Jones to gain yards, and they'll protect Love long enough for him to throw the ball. The offense will roll, we'll score points, and we'll win the division this year. If we take more than about 2 injuries on the Oline, it's going to impact the offense significantly.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

July 02, 2023 at 07:56 pm

Hopefully we have real depth more than 10 deep. 18 men on the roster, I'm having trouble finding 5 obvious weak spots ...

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Leatherhead's picture

July 03, 2023 at 09:43 am

After our Top 6, the only linemen we have who have ever played a snap in the NFL are Newman and Hanson, and they didn't play that well.

We can dress 9. Year after year, that #9 guy ends up starting for us in the biggest game of the year.

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