'If I take off my Packer fan cap and just look at this division without bias I clearly see the Packers as the most talented team"

You are not wrong ,but it's doubtful that we are the best coached team. That is what concerns me most. We have all the parts and the talent level to succeed but the leadership ,poor game planning and most of all, lack of timely in game and game to game adjustments still scares me. It's rarely mentioned and that is more concerning.

But I'm an optimist so let's see what this year brings!

Players playing to their individual potential vs coaching developing that and then evaluating talent to put the best players on the field are different aspects; it'll be interesting to see all that fit together ...

Hahaha. Someone gave that a 👎. Lol. Vikings fan for sure!!! They’re always jealously lurking.

I would agree with your take.

I like the optimism that I have read from all the posters and it could come true.

However, although we do have some mature parts of our team such as the OL and CB room, we have a lot of young players in very important positions such as QB, WR and TE. Can the coaching staff bring them along quick enough to be a winning team this year? Is the coaching staff talented enough to bring them along quickly?

We shall see. My hope is that we at least see some positive growth this year, have the coaching staff earn our respect and belief that the current staff is the one we need in place to be champions again and most of all that we see if J Love is the QB that we want him to be.

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Can't wait for that first game myself.

How is Jones going to have Top 10 numbers when he's splitting time with Dillon? Jones/Dillon is definitely one of the best backfields in the league.

"Jones is No longer a top 10 RB according to ESPN."

In 2022:
Jones was 10th in rushing yards with 1121
Jones was 10th in receiving yards for a RB with 395.
Jones was 9th in combined rushing/receiving yards with 1516.

Explain how is he no longer a top 10 running back.

The smartest thing MLF has done is split Aaron Jones’ snaps with AJ Dillon to keep him healthy and extend his career. I bet Aaron Jones doesn’t care if ESPN ranks him in the top 10 as long as he can continue to play for years. Smart use of this talented, productive player. 60 TD’s!!!

all are fair points stockholder, I don't totally agree but didn't down vote either.
Unlike you, I'm going for the Summer of Love.
I missed the first one by a couple of years.
GPG!

“Too fluted”?

Three saxophoned?

What's so special that this a 'nugget'? Many players from teams do this. They might score more than 7 points this time, but I fear it won't be enough, with the first game in MLF's history as HC.

SA-WEEEEEET!!!!

Thanks for that nugget, LH! Great to hear Love has these guys on it. Man, I do think they are going to both light it up, and shock the world this season.

It's a coming together of an overwhelming number of young, fast, powerful, dynamic talents added to a team with some great veteran players/team leaders that makes this special. A. pretty solid, experienced OL, key veterans at all 3 levels of our D in Clark, Smith, Campbell, Alexander & Savage... that can go a long way towards overall improvement with that much new talent coming on board. 25 newly drafted players alone in last two years. Add in FAs and UDFAs, and roughly 2/3 or more of this old Packers team has been made over with fresh, motivated & skilled young players.

The skill players alone? That dynamic, and that intent on doing something special this season that they are meeting up for the 2nd time this offseason to work out together???

WOW. A very far cry from anything we've known in the last decade. Great news!

What kind of turds pop down votes on that? Can't call yourselves good Packer fans hearing that news and hitting a thumbs down.

Rock solid, Harry.

**** Offense - Packers OL ranked #2 overall in DVOA by Football Outsiders in 2022, behind LVR #1 and ahead of Super Bowl winning KC at #3.

Tight End has two of the most dynamic talents to play there since Jermichael Finley. Both players clocked faster than Finley. There is so much to like here that many of us won't realize until we're in it, seeing them perform in live action. Musgrave having come from NFL Football bloodlines appears to show in his nuanced style of play. Kraft was ranked by Athlon's as the #18 overall player in their Top 100 Players Draft Preview, published prior to the Combine. We might be in for a real treat here.

Wide Receiver now contains the fastest set of WRs ever to step foot on the Lambeau Field turf wearing the Green & Gold. I was excited last year for the rookies, and I'm equally as excited about this year's rookie WRs. Reed? Wicks? Add Melton in there? That alone is some crazy goodness. DuBose was nursing an undisclosed injury throughout the minicamps, but he showed some quality - unique talents as well.

If you haven't yet, watch Wicks' highlights from 2021, and check out his release from the LOS. Highly reminiscent of Davante Adams. He's got unique gifts there, without a doubt. Reed is just a fast little marauder. Melton will show more polish than many might expect.

**** Defensively, there's promise. Great promise from my own perspective. The simple math of adding so many players this offseason with RUN STOP strengths is encouraging for a Packers team that was 8th worst in the NFL on 1st down (surrendering 4.71 ypc), 2nd worst in the NFL on 2nd Down (5.67 ypc), and 6th worst in the NFL on 3rd down giving up 5.43 ypc.

I'm hopeful Tarvarius Moore finds Green Bay a great place to finish out his career in a positive way. The FA Safety Gutekunst signed last December came into this NFL known as an assassin vs. the run, with ++ ball skills. I hope Moore is able to realize his dreams playing Safety for the Packers.

That's just one of many stories about to unfold on D with regards to new players added. Some were added last season and we have yet to see them in action, like NT Jonathan Ford. 6-5 333. He and TJ Slaton are childhood friends, both of our NTs, playing together on the same D. Ford came into this NFL with all the physical traits you could ask for at NT, but none of the technique work necessary to become a solid Pro player. The Packers staff spent all of 2022 training him up.

Could go on and on, but, there appears to be much offering encouragement for 2023 on D regarding the players recently added.

****STs? Loaded for bear. Bisaccia got every player he wanted added to this team for him to work with.

This 2023 season should be fun to watch.

GG, I think it starts with offense. Good offensive teams go to the playoffs, and bad ones, don't, and that's irrespective of their defense or special teams, for the most part.

And offense starts with the line, not the QB, and it looks like we could have a good one. Maybe a real good one. Going all the way back to my earliest memories of playing football during elementary school recess, Play #1 is always "Give the ball to a really good runner and block for him". And that's 50% of the Packer offense....give the ball to a really good RB...via pass or handoff or pitch or shovel pass or whatever. All the stuff with formations and motion is just to try to camouflage what we're doing so we can get better blocking angles. That's half our offense, regardless who the QB is.

We were a very, very, very average offense last year. In measure after measure after measure, there we are, somewhere between #12 and #20 or so. So what did the incompetent clowns do about that? Well, they replaced their 39 year old QB, who had just had the worst season of his career, with a guy they've been preparing for 3 years. They added a WR. They added a receiving TE. They extended Jenkins, and Nijman, they kept Bakhtiari.

When the season ended in such a disappointing manner, and then all the drama about Rodgers, it was easy to not see the concrete steps the Packers were taking to fix our #1 problem last year....an offense that simply wasn't getting it done.

No doubt, there are people who wish we'd kept the old guy and traded away Love for some superduper WR or defensive dominator. That's a really crappy plan, IMO. Fix the line, get a better QB under center, add some help at the skill positions and we're going to be right back in contention for the division title.

LOL....Our new QB1 has been working the off-season with RB's and WR's...Can we just acknowledge that's a step in the right direction, at least? He moved the offense against the #1 NFL Defense in relief. It may not be everything, but it's something positive, and he looked good doing it. It's not so much that he's a HOF QB in the making, but he is surrounded by a lot of good players on the OL and RB group and a youthful, WR unit with great potential...Would I feel better if DA or another proven top 3 #1 WR were on the team....Yes. I'm pretty excited to see new blood all over the skill position, cause on film, I see a unit that has the potential to rival the one our previous QB1 had breaking into the NFL in a year or 2. I like all the WR unit and both new TE's. I'm also looking forward to Deguara being used more often and the RB's being thrown to. I have hope our run game is better and used more also. RELAX...egbertsouse. Our defense should take a step and our kick returner was an All Pro with over 1k yards in half a season which should mean good overall field position all season. Like it or not...things are actually looking better...not worse, at least in most peoples minds. Our NFL schedule is relatively soft, with a lot of winnable games, especially early.

Yup, and now the toxicity is GONE!! And players can breath and play again! It’s important and it’s real.

I'll take Mr 89 NFL passes thanks.

Also amazing how other teams are allowed to get excited about first round picks straight out of college but we're supposed to be chill about a first round pick who has had three years to learn behind a HOF QB

I like the positivity..and looks like the players are all keyed up....Love is spreading the ball around in CA. Gotta like that. I feel the offensive Juggernaut comes in 2024 as our WR's and TE group get a year to grow together...Really a breath of fresh air feel to it in 2023. Former QB1 was very talented, but it will be interesting how ML/JL offense pairs together to counter pure talent vs. working within the system hitting the designed open receivers and not snapping it from the Shotgun formation on run plays. Whatever it is...it will be different this season. My Father in law passed away recently...and we always watched the Pack together....That's the only bummer from where I sit. Time waits for no one....It's JL time.....God Bless Packer Brothers and Sisters...GPG

I love this, Rossonero!
You’re speaking on intangibles, as are many this off-season with regards to team building. Seemed previously there were Aaron’s guys, and then the rest - for more than a decade. This 2023 team is looking to be more cohesive. It’s early, but I really like what I see.

That would still be one more W than AR12 had in his first season as a starter.