Why Vince Lombardi's Legacy Matters During Pride Month
Lombardi's willingness to challenge prejudice when many others remained silent remains a timeless example of true leadership.
By PackerAaron

Every June, as Pride Month arrives, it’s worth remembering that Vince Lombardi’s legacy extends far beyond championships, trophies and football history.
For Packers fans, Lombardi is the iconic figure who transformed Green Bay into the standard by which every NFL franchise is measured. His name is forever attached to the Super Bowl trophy, and his teams remain synonymous with excellence. But one of Lombardi’s most important contributions had nothing to do with wins and losses.
At a time when prejudice and discrimination were deeply ingrained in American society, Lombardi demanded something different from the people around him.
When he arrived in Green Bay, Black players often faced racism both locally and throughout the league. Lombardi refused to tolerate it. He established a clear standard: any business that discriminated against his players would lose the support of the Packers organization. He stood up for his players publicly and privately, helping create an environment where talent and character mattered more than race.
His commitment to inclusion extended beyond racial equality. Influenced in part by his close relationship with his younger brother Harold, who was gay, Lombardi was known for taking an uncompromising stance against homophobia. Former players recalled that he would not tolerate slurs, harassment or discrimination within his locker room. One of the most famous stories attributed to Lombardi involves his warning that anyone questioning a player's manhood because of his sexuality would be gone immediately.
That position was remarkably progressive for the 1960s, particularly in professional sports, where such topics were rarely discussed openly.
Lombardi wasn’t perfect, and like any historical figure he should be viewed in the context of his era. Decades later, however, it is his willingness to challenge prejudice when many others remained silent that endures and remains a timeless example of leadership.
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Comments (91)
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 10:46 am
Lombardi stood against prejudice and discrimination, but I doubt he would be supportive of Pride Month and what it includes under that umbrella.
GreenandBold
June 01, 2026 at 11:02 am
Progressive for the 60s but I doubt he would be supportive of what is considered progressive today .
WestCoastPackerBacker
June 01, 2026 at 06:07 pm
I’m trying to remember if I have ever seen a positive comment from you on anything on this site. I can’t seem to remember one.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 07:54 pm
For those of us that can handle it, the truth is important.
Sometimes truth and facts don't always go over real well. 🤷♂️
PearlyBakerBest
June 01, 2026 at 08:23 pm
Just be careful which “truth” you believe.
WestCoastPackerBacker
June 01, 2026 at 08:26 pm
Still the same question and truth is an interesting concept, isn’t it? For everyone seems to have their own truth. But it doesn’t change my comment that I have not seen a positive comment from this account.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 10:56 pm
Well....you'll live.
splitpea1
June 01, 2026 at 10:50 am
Thankfully, the closest he came to such "pride" was the Hornung-McGee prank.
Bitternotsour
June 01, 2026 at 11:04 am
queue the bigots in 5,4,3,2...
Since'61
June 01, 2026 at 12:35 pm
Cookie for Biiternitsour! Thanks, Since '61
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 07:57 pm
I got a lot of cookies i'd like to hand out 🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪 👍😁
Since'61
June 01, 2026 at 09:30 pm
Do it '75. Thanks, Since '61
PearlyBakerBest
June 02, 2026 at 05:51 am
And cued they were.
Coldworld
June 01, 2026 at 11:16 am
Lombardi was tolerant of color and proclivity without doubt. However, I prefer to keep this space free of Gender or any other social correctness or incorrectness.
This is a football haven, it has no need to expand into gender awareness or, worse, advocacy, whether I or Vince Lombardi might agree with the principles extolled.
The best form of neutrality is an absence for a pure Packers football blog. It’s a place where intolerance generally and politics, religion and gender identification specifically can be avoided legitimately and there are precious few of those left.
Let’s keep it that way please, not invite a descent into such arguments. Those that wish to crusade for social justice have plenty of forums. Let’s keep a few where we can all share a passion without the animosities of clashing worldviews in relating to football. Complete abstinence is far easier to maintain than moderation in practice.
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 11:40 am
Why was this not directed to the author of the article and part owner of the site? Apparently, Nagler believes it's fine, since he is the one who violated what you believe to be a pure football talk-only place.
Coldworld
June 01, 2026 at 11:46 am
I just posted it on his site in response to a post made by him. One would think it self-evident that I was a responding to him directly.
However, importantly, my response was not intended to be restricted to him or even just to authors. It was intended to extend to you, I and any other commenters just as much.
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 12:20 pm
Why generalize when the point you intend should amplify the agitator? Don't be afraid to point the finger at he who started it and, by so doing, encourage comments pro and con concerning a well-known hot-button topic(s).
Coldworld
June 01, 2026 at 12:47 pm
Because it’s obvious enough to Nagler, if he reads it, and it’s not the guy who opened the door that causes the ruin but the flood of followers that scurry to follow him or her through or the pack of would be avengers hot on their heels. In the end all gets trampled regardless.
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 01:18 pm
Posting a sign on a store door that offers a sale will have people waiting to get through it, and the chaos that might occur should be accounted for. Nagler posted this on the door and knew it would be opened by the click of the mouse. He also knows the possible chaos it would bring. You are trying to tell people not to go through the door with any possible chaos while likely knowing that to be impossible. Nagler knew it also and decided to be fine with it by posting it in the first place.
Coldworld
June 01, 2026 at 03:04 pm
If you need it spelt out more clearly, I’m
Probably wasting my time. I don’t need help in being direct. Indeed, usually the opposite.
PearlyBakerBest
June 01, 2026 at 04:50 pm
I’m sure Nagler posted this just for you. And, on cue, you were the first to post.
NFLfan
June 02, 2026 at 08:03 am
You may be surprised at how your statements are received by some of the CHTV leadership, other posters and certainly players. You see, part of being gay is expertise in knowing who to trust and superb acting skills. Some of your fellow posters on this site are gay-guaranteed.
13TimeChamps
June 02, 2026 at 09:02 am
Why are you so obsessed with pointing out that there are gay people in the NFL or even on this site? Or how many there are? You think this is breaking news somehow? There are gay people in all walks of life. White ones, black ones, brown ones...hey maybe that's why they call it the rainbow coalition!
And just a thought. I highly doubt that gay people need, or want, you to be their spokesperson.
NFLfan
June 02, 2026 at 11:00 am
@ TC 13-Because many of the posters on this site are actively homophobic and others are straight up ignorant, yes, in this day and age. My guess is the demographic skews towards the over 75+ crowd. This group is much more intolerant than the general population and perhaps there are a few who may change their minds. And, I bet there are some closeted individuals in and around this site who appreciate my efforts. I know uneducated bullies like you will come for me but what I suffer from fools like you is nowhere near what gay folks suffer
I have never liked you and really do not care what you have to say.
13TimeChamps
June 02, 2026 at 11:19 am
Rest assured I don't like you either. Most of your posts are buffoonish, repetitive and nonsensical. So, it's safe to say we won't be exchanging Xmas cards anytime soon.
"And, I bet there are some closeted individuals in and around this site who appreciate my efforts."
I highly doubt that, but to be fair, let's see how many of those closeted individuals come on to show their appreciation for your "efforts". It's an anonymous site after all. The responses should come pouring in any minute.
As far as being uneducated, I'll match my degrees with yours any time you would like.
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 08:05 pm
Didn't he just say he doesn't like you, or care what you have to say.
You don't take hints very well do you?
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You'll match your degree against his (any time)? 🤪🥱
Really?
Where are you going with this.
What's next Junior, your Dad can beat up his Dad?
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Stop trying to convince people on the internet how great you are.
Nothing sad about that is there.
13TimeChamps
June 03, 2026 at 09:37 am
I'm curious, how is any of this your business?
It's almost like you're stalking me.
nagawicka
June 02, 2026 at 05:58 am
Why do you think?
jont
June 01, 2026 at 11:43 am
Amen, CW.
I can't believe anyone here has even the slightest interest in my views on any social or political issues, and with all respect to my fellow cheeseheads I don't come here to read yours.
Bitternotsour
June 01, 2026 at 01:42 pm
A close reader may have noticed that it's Pride Month. The NFL recognizes that gay people play sports and spend money. Nagler simply speaking of the proud history of this franchise acknowledges our having been early leaders in non-discrimination. Not to speak for Aaron, but to all of you who are twisting in the wind, well, too fucking bad.
As the NFL might say "football is for everyone" (subject to regional blackouts and the number of streaming services you subscribe to)
Coldworld
June 01, 2026 at 03:05 pm
And there you go bringing exactly what we do not need here. Your, mine or Nagler’s socio-political wisdom and the self righteousness that goes with it. Keep it for elsewhere and keep football here. A place where politics should have no place and thus not divide.
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 03:36 pm
LOL!
Bitternotsour
June 01, 2026 at 06:15 pm
Is quiet bigotry your preferred default? Have at it.
nagawicka
June 02, 2026 at 07:08 am
YOU also attempt to dictate what can/cannot be discussed here. Presumptuous. YOU're bringing in a sociopolitical mindset so self-centered and so political you're unaware that no one needs it. Now do the Pentagon's extravagant PR campaigns--costly, bought&paidfor not given by the NFL, propping up the misuse of the soldiers who serve in dubious wars, AND POLITICAL as hell. Root out the politics and report back when you're done.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 08:06 pm
"football is for everyone"
Because everyone has money, the NFL does NOT discriminate or exclude.....when it comes to your wallet.
*******
Now, if ya'll will excuse me, i have to go pick up some fruit loops for breakfast tomorrow.
nagawicka
June 02, 2026 at 06:51 am
Nice. FOOTBALL IS FOR EVERYONE
MrFitz66
June 01, 2026 at 11:44 am
Like most people, I don't care who Vince's brother was having sex with. I'm not interested, it has nothing to do with football. Articles like this are just stupid.
exCONman
June 01, 2026 at 03:47 pm
These comments are always interesting. You clearly read the headline and could've avoided it altogether. Instead you chose to do this. Plenty of other news to read in the football sphere right now instead of being rude.
Since'61
June 01, 2026 at 12:47 pm
Lombardi was against any form of discrimination not just because of his brother but also because of the discrimination experienced by Italians when they immigrated to the USA early in the 20th century. My grandparents who arrived in the US early in the 20th century experienced discrimination because like Lombardi's family they were also Italian. Unfortunately It has been true and is still true today that nearly every type of immigrant has been discriminated against despite the US being a country of immigrants.
The flip side is that diversity in the US population has been and remains to be one of the greatest strengths of our country. Lombardi realized this and was ahead of his time in speaking out against racism and discrimination. It was one of the characteristics which made him the GOAT of NFL coaches. Thanks, Since '61
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 02:06 pm
The late 1800s and early 1900s immigration prejudice/discrimination was a European issue brought with the immigrants, with each fighting for a foothold in America. My grandparents were from Ireland, Germany, and Poland and suffered the same as Italians.
The discrimination/prejudice/racism of today is not the same as then, as today is about fantasy/deviate behavior/and who can scream it the loudest, not to erase such but to poison sanity and common sense.
Pride Month can't disappear fast enough from the calendar, for it's nothing more than a tolerance of lunatic factions to create a sick society.
Since'61
June 01, 2026 at 04:38 pm
Taryn - I agree, as I posted, that nearly all groups of immigrants suffered when they arrived in this country. I also agree that Pride month is a separate issue from immigration. Today's immigration discrimination is against people of color.
The angst against the LBGQT+ community is a concern of alleged deviant behaviors. It may be different but I don't know if it's deviant. It's also not illegal. Who defines normal behavior and deviant behavior? I'm basically a live and let live person.
Bottom line both forms of discrimination/racism are rooted in fear. The realization is that all groups are people trying to live their lives in peace and love. Yes there are radical elements in each group and the same can be said for major religions as well. Fortunately tolerance, understanding and acceptance are stronger than hate, fear and oppression. Thanks, Since '61
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 08:18 pm
"The discrimination/prejudice/racism of today is not the same as then, as today is about fantasy/deviate behavior/and who can scream it the loudest, not to erase such but to poison sanity and common sense."
If i could thumbs up a 100 times 👍
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It's also about.....being the 'victim' today....more than anything.
Everyone wants to scream, they are a victim of this, that, or any other fiction they can dream up.
It's 'always'......someone else's fault.
For as long as people think/act as victims...they will remain victims, of themselves.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 02, 2026 at 10:56 am
Notice that the root of this is Marxism. Since it's not the economic policy created by Karl, it's been termed "cultural Marxism." It was defined in US Congressional Record in 1963 with a 45 point list; most of which are now accomplished. People cheer this on because they're unaware that the goal is designed to destroy our Nation.
It's not pride month anymore, it's nuclear family month. At least as declared by some States pushing back against said destruction.
It still has no place in football, as CW aptly said.
GregC
June 01, 2026 at 01:09 pm
Is this really that controversial? I think it's interesting, and it's not completely off topic, as it says something about Lombardi's team building approach. I would hope the Cheesehead TV commentariat could handle an article like this every once in awhile. (Not responding to it is always an option.)
Since'61
June 01, 2026 at 04:41 pm
Excellent point Greg C. Thanks, Since '61
Savage57
June 02, 2026 at 06:38 am
"Commentariat". Nice word.
Stealing it.
NFLfan
June 01, 2026 at 01:18 pm
Since we are on this topic, some of us do not wish to participate, however, the first thing that came to mind is that in the 60+ years since Lombardi's death we have made no appreciable progress in requiring gay players to remain in the closet.
I know the majority of straight, red-blooded fans have no concept of the percentage of their faves who are gay and that these players have to hire PR teams who patrol and refute any hint of gayness, some of the strategies involve a new 'girlfriend' every two years (contract), fake wives, fake marriages, and it takes continual surveillance by the player to not let anything slip-I'm certain it is exhausting.
But, there are too many fans who over-drink, have little character, are aggressive, homophobic and would loudly, verbally lacerate any player whom they knew was gay-so, here we are 60+ years later.
FYI, My guess is that 20% of players are gay.
BuckyBadger
June 01, 2026 at 01:27 pm
20% is a pretty high number. I would say about 2% to 3% which is about the percentage of adult males that identify as gay according the Gallup poll. It goes up to about 6% if you go with the full alphabet of identifications.
NFLfan
June 01, 2026 at 01:34 pm
It's higher than 2-4%. Gay men want to be around other men, especially those who are attractive, successful and well-off.
13TimeChamps
June 01, 2026 at 02:39 pm
Straight women also want to be around men, especially those who are attractive, successful and well-off. Weird, huh?
What a ridiculous comment.
NFLfan
June 01, 2026 at 03:40 pm
I bet you're about 75 and a rigid 75
13TimeChamps
June 01, 2026 at 03:47 pm
I'm rigidly opposed to discrimination of any kind. What a person's political leanings, sexual orientation or religious beliefs are of no concern to me. I believe in live and let live...rigidly.
BuckyBadger
June 01, 2026 at 10:06 pm
You make less sense here than you did before.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 08:27 pm
Being gay in itself is fine.
BUT......don't throw it in people's faces, scream and 'demand' they accept you.
Do they accept other people's beliefs and rights?
Not from what i've seen.
People are under no obligation to accept you, no matter how bat shit crazy you portray yourself.
We don't have to celebrate your gayness with you, that's not our job.
We are not ESPN and Michael Sam.
13TimeChamps
June 01, 2026 at 09:02 pm
Who would have guessed that someone with an overtly sexist avatar of a woman that wouldn't give you the time of day in the real world would hold your bat shit crazy views.
Nobody gives a shit if you think "being gay in itself is fine.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 10:53 pm
Here you are again, my own little CHTV stalker.
You are committed, i'll give ya that.
Why are are always so angry?
I hope you can get a handle on your issues and feel better some day.
Never give up! 👍
Lphill
June 01, 2026 at 02:23 pm
I have a gay nephew and a gay female cousin, Love them both , but doesn't mean I'm going to jump on a float in the gay parade or fly a rainbow flag, nothing homophobic about it , I like to say gays may be heterosexual then too if that's how people think.
13TimeChamps
June 01, 2026 at 02:41 pm
...."but doesn't mean I'm going to jump on a float in the gay parade or fly a rainbow flag,"
Is anybody asking you to?
TarynsEyes
June 01, 2026 at 03:04 pm
There are those who demand, not ask, that everyone do. You cannot be blind or deaf to see their reactions to the word NO.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 02, 2026 at 11:01 am
Or their propensity to commit mass murder.
Lphill
June 02, 2026 at 06:46 am
you couldn't wait for me to comment could you .
NFLfan
June 01, 2026 at 03:43 pm
Well, it's Pride month and some of the old, close-minded codgers on this site could use a little education about someone else's reality-the someone's who entertain you every season but have to hide who they are.
Coldworld
June 01, 2026 at 04:13 pm
You miss the point. It shouldn’t be an issue on field and off. Here though, it had no need to be an issue at all. There’s plenty of places where it is appropriate and few places where we’ve been able to just focus on a shared love of football and the Packers, regardless of wider beliefs or moralities. Let’s try keep CHTV that way.
BuckyBadger
June 01, 2026 at 10:04 pm
That is a lot easier to say when your life is the common way and can be freely talked about or expressed. This is only an issue because people get all up in arms at the mere mention of someone who was tolerant. This is a Packer site and the views of past Packers greats is very appropriate to talk about. No one made you read the article or comment on it.
Doug_In_Sandpoint
June 01, 2026 at 03:46 pm
I’m couldn’t care less about any of this, but I do have one intolerance for two things. I draw the line at gay Bears. They still suck. And straight Bears. They still suck.
SicSemperTyrannis
June 02, 2026 at 11:03 am
How about Indiana Bears though? There seems to be some satisfying about that.
LeotisHarris
June 01, 2026 at 04:30 pm
Many of you believe Nagler is never right. Honestly, I've had that thought a time or two over the years. Others here have wondered aloud if Aaron may indeed be too stupid to be running around loose. I sit before you today to tell you those takes are both wrong.
What we have in this piece from PackerAaron is an enticing topwater bait being slowly trolled across the weed-edge of anti-wokeness. The powers that be at CHTV (hey, that rhymes!) are clearly offering the business up for sale to the Ellison family, the Murdochs, maybe the Mercer family. Don't think for a minute that those media giants are going to stand for a factually accurate representation of history as it relates to one Vincent Thomas Lombardi, and an acknowledgement of Pride Month. Anything glorifying hoh-moh-sex-yuls needs to be scrubbed from history. We just shouldn't talk about such things! It's like the way Farmall owners feel when they walk into Farm & Fleet and get all that John Deere merch shoved in their faces!
I look for Bari Weiss to be placed in charge of CHTV once the takeover is complete. She'll likely axe everyone except Cory, and then replace him with AI. Remember to toss a couple bucks in Gil's guitar case when you see him busking on Oneida St.
Happy Pride Month to all who celebrate.
Hornungfan
June 01, 2026 at 07:24 pm
The idea that we are supposed to be neutral is pretty nauseating. In the 1950's and 1960's and beyond people who advocated for civil rights for people of color were generally viewed as very inconvenient and it was typically preferred that they stop making trouble and, instead, be silent (otherwise known as "neutral"). Generally, most people preferred they mind their own business and quit making trouble about "civil rights". Thankfully, civil rights advocates did not remain neutral and we have had some success regarding civil rights for people of color though there is still plenty of racism today. Maybe if there was less "neutrality" there would be greater civil rights today.
Requiring we be neutral (let's be clear being neutral actually means being silent and not speaking out on civil rights for homosexuals) regarding the civil rights of homosexuals is hateful. Being neutral advocates support for the status quo which I can see from many of the comments above means supporting discriminatory view and treatment of homosexuals. Is that what we should teach out children? That homosexuals and those who speak out for their civil rights should be silent and not speak up or make any "trouble" is exactly what racists said in the 1950's and 1960's. Thank goodness enough spoke up then without neutrality.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 07:47 pm
Anyone besides me wonder why our Fallen Soldiers get one day of remembrance, and the #%& loops get a month?
LeotisHarris
June 01, 2026 at 08:13 pm
It's a nice meme, Since, but if you look at real observances, you'll find:
1. National Military Appreciation Month: May 1 to May 31.
2, National Veterans and Military Families Month: November 1 to November 30.
3, Month of the Military Child (April): Recognizes the sacrifices and unique challenges faced by the children of service members.
4, Month of the Military Caregiver (May): Honors the families, friends, and individuals who care for wounded, ill, or injured veterans.
5. Memorial Day (Last Monday in May): A solemn national holiday to remember and honor those who died while serving in the military.
6. Independence Day (July 4th): Celebrates the nation's birth, heavily tied to honoring the historic and ongoing protection provided by the military.
7. Veterans Day (November 11th): A federal holiday dedicated to thanking and honoring all living individuals who served honorably in the military
8. Medal of Honor Day (March 25): Pays tribute to the recipients of the nation's highest military award for valor.
9, National Vietnam War Veterans Day (March 29): Expresses long-overdue gratitude to Vietnam War veterans
10. .Gold Star Spouses Day (April 5): Honors the husbands and wives of fallen service members.
11. Armed Forces Day (Third Saturday in May): Celebrates citizens currently serving on active duty in the military.
12. Purple Heart Day (August 7): Pauses to honor service members who were wounded or killed in combat.
13. National POW/MIA Recognition Day (Third Friday in September): Ensures the nation remembers American prisoners of war and those missing in action.
14. Gold Star Mother’s and Family’s Day (Last Sunday in September): Honors the surviving parents and immediate family of those lost in conflict.
15, National Day of the Deployed (October 26): Recognizes all personnel currently deployed overseas.
16. Pearl Harbor Remembrance Day (December 7): Solemnly remembers the lives lost during the 1941 attack.
We also celebrate the birthday of each Branch of the Service:
U.S. Army Birthday: June 14 (Founded in 1775).
U.S. Coast Guard Birthday: August 4 (Founded in 1790).
U.S. Air Force Birthday: September 18 (Founded in 1947).
U.S. Navy Birthday: October 13 (Founded in 1775).
U.S. Marine Corps Birthday: November 10 (Founded in 1775).
U.S. Space Force Birthday: December 20 (Founded in 2019).
And, you may have noticed, for the last 15 years, the NFL has Salute to Service annually in November. Salute to Service is the NFL's ongoing commitment to honor, empower, and connect with U.S. service members, veterans, and their families.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 08:36 pm
Memorial Day.....For the fallen soldiers, THEY get one day.
I'm talking about the fallen soldiers, but good job looking up all the other ornaments on the military tree.
Bitternotsour
June 01, 2026 at 08:55 pm
You can continue to celebrate "Bigots yell at Rainbows" month as is your wont
PearlyBakerBest
June 01, 2026 at 09:03 pm
I’m sure there are plenty of gay soldiers that have died for your dumb ass.
LeotisHarris
June 01, 2026 at 09:13 pm
Sorry you're so unhappy, little buddy. Does it help your angst to know that June is also National Iced Tea Month? How about National Migraine Awareness Month? I don't have to care about their migraines or accept them, but they cram it in my face! Same with the ice tea drinkers. So sick of their perverse ingestion of stimulants.
You can support both. Honoring fallen soldiers doesn't require opposing Pride Month.
A day of remembrance and a month of awareness aren't competing for the same purpose. Why are you against the families, friends, and individuals who care for wounded, ill, or injured veterans. Aren't they worthy of a month?
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 10:47 pm
If you ladies want to celebrate Pride month, put on a new pretty dress, go to a parade and drink iced tea, i say.... have a great time, no need to get angry, do what makes ya'll happy.
13TimeChamps
June 01, 2026 at 09:14 pm
What exactly is a "#%& loop"? If you're going to show your bigotry, don't hide behind made up words.
As a combat veteran I would like to know...have you served? I highly doubt it. When one's life is on the line, a soldier is not going give a shit about his/her fellow soldier's sexual orientation. But I wouldn't expect you to understand that.
Since'75
June 01, 2026 at 11:02 pm
If you wouldn't expect me to understand, then why do you obsessively stalk my post trying to make me understand.
I don't know what to tell you.
But i hope you can find peace and happiness some day.
Angry and bitter is no way to go through life.
Godspeed.
13TimeChamps
June 01, 2026 at 11:18 pm
My life is very happy and quite peaceful. But thanks for caring.
Apparently, ignorant and being a bigot is your way to go through life.
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 05:25 am
It's your world Sparky, paint the sky any color you'd like.
Good luck 👍
MitchAnthony
June 01, 2026 at 08:15 pm
Abe Lincoln and George Washington get to share a day.
Swisch
June 01, 2026 at 09:11 pm
I'm so very glad that Vince Lombardi respected the dignity of every human being as made in the image of God.
We also do well to affirm the dignity of each and every individual, although we may well disagree with them about what is acceptable behavior.
If others want us to tolerate their belief about behavior, then it seems fair that they tolerate our belief about behavior.
If we disagree about a certain behavior, it seems there should be some level of mutual respect, anyway.
So, why should a person be labeled a bigot for disagreeing with the behavior of homosexuality? Wouldn't it be just as fair to label as a bigot the person who does agree with the behavior of homosexuality?
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At this point, it seems important to differentiate between physical characteristics and behavior. We can't control our physical characteristics -- such as skin color -- but we can control our behavior.
Even if it is very difficult to control a certain behavior, it's still possible. When it comes to sexuality, just about all of us have a struggle to control our behavior. We can't do whatever we want whenever we want.
To paraphrase Chesterton, if we don't make of sex a slave, it will become a tyrant. Like alcohol, sex can become an obsession, and even an addiction, if we're not disciplined.
To say we can't control our attractions is a cop out. We all have to work to control our attractions of one kind or another. Also, not all attractions are healthy. Just because we're attracted to something or someone, doesn't mean that we should automatically go with that attraction.
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One doesn't have to be religious to believe that sex is meant only for one man and one woman in a lifelong commitment of marriage. It's also a matter of nature. Sexual relations that are natural allow for the possibility of creating a child. Anything that thwarts that possibility is unnatural.
This seems reasonable. If anyone disagrees with me, though, I would hope that the discussion would be tolerant and respectful -- that is, if tolerance and respect are meant to go both ways.
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I believe we are called to respect and love each and every person, even if we disagree about an important matter of behavior.
Indeed, I would say that to disagree with a person about an important matter of behavior can even be an act of respect and love.
We can sincerely say, "I think that behavior is hurting you, and hurting others."
We don't want to pester anyone. However, sometimes the most loving thing to do, the most courageous thing to do, is to speak the truth with love.
Starrbrite
June 01, 2026 at 11:07 pm
Thanks Swisch.
…and I like all the posters because they’re Packer fans, although I might disagree with some on a variety topics, including the Packers.
I’m interested in all the viewpoints, politics or otherwise, but as CW noted, I am most interested about football. Not what someone believes or doesn’t believe the 2nd amendment or some other political or social issue.
But because things at times do intersect.
Best to you Swisch and all the posters.
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 04:19 pm
I always liked you also Starr.
I don't know what you do, but if you aren't a politician, i believe you may have missed your calling.
Bitternotsour
June 02, 2026 at 12:13 pm
Love is love. It isn't "behavior".
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 04:08 pm
"So, why should a person be labeled a bigot for disagreeing with the behavior of homosexuality? Wouldn't it be just as fair to label as a bigot the person who does agree with the behavior of homosexuality?
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Why? Because they don't believe that others are allowed to adhere to there own personal beliefs and live their lives without 'embracing' someone else's alternative lifestyle or behavior.
They 'insist' you condone and embrace it
BUT....If you don't succumb, they will label you, and hate you.
Here's a News Flash....
NOBODY tells me....what lifestyles i 'have' to accept and embrace.
That's my choice, no one else's.
Those....are then in turn hated, because they have a moral compass, beliefs, and do there own thinking.
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I think there are other websites they can visit, that specifically addresses and caters to the misguided and morally bankrupt.
I thought this was a football forum.
PearlyBakerBest
June 02, 2026 at 06:48 pm
They’re not asking for you to accept or embrace them. They’re asking for their rights to be applied equally as afforded to them under the Constitution. You dumb fucking truck.
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 07:19 pm
Wow...and there it is, that didn't take long....sounds angry to me.
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"They’re not asking for you to ...."
What....did you take a poll?
Are you their spokesman?
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"They’re asking for their rights to be applied equally as afforded to them under the Constitution. You dumb fucking truck."
Like any of us have any control over their rights under the constitution. 🤷♂️
They make out on ESPN in front of the Nation, in front of 10's of thousands of kids.
Is that why ESPN camped out at their house with camera's, to apply their rights under the Constitution, or force feed the public.
How many 7th round players, picked 249th, does ESPN send a camera crew out to their home?
That was in your face.
Like the thousands of times they replayed them kissing.
Was that about their constitutional rights?
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Now....about this anger problem you have.....can you try to control yourself?
I hope there isn't any kids in here, reading you dropping angry F bombs.
Lets try to be an adult, shall we.
Ferrari-Driver
June 02, 2026 at 03:26 pm
I'll tell you one thing, I'm staying out of this and just keep my mouth shut. I can't wait for the the football season to start.
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 04:29 pm
Yea, you don't need a stalker, hate and harassment.
Good call. 👍
Since'75
June 02, 2026 at 03:30 pm
Reading all this, it just came to me, where has Pantz been? 😏
ArlenWilliams
June 02, 2026 at 11:11 pm
June used to be celebrated for being the month that most men and women would get married--and it still is. Funny how people pick things, that have axes to grind.
Father God, thank You for Your sign of the rainbow and what it means.