Thresholds That The Packers Care About, And Why They Matter
Understanding the tools that the Packers themselves use.
By Kalani Jones

It’s that time of the year again. The flurry of league-wide movement that accompanies free agency has died down, and the football world has turned its attention to the NFL draft.
NFL teams have a short five weeks to come up with a plan of attack for the most important weekend for the future of the league. After a draft one year ago that saw Green Bay taking the national spotlight, the Packers won’t even be around for night one, having traded their first round pick for Micah Parsons. We’ll have a long wait through Thursday and Friday before we meet the newest member of the Green Bay Packers. A year removed from an incredible job of physically hosting the event, and one of the best moments of that draft: the announcement of Matthew Golden’s selection to the hometown crowd. The resulting crowd pop was such a fun moment, and surely one of the Packers’ best draft moments in history.
While the scouts, coaches, and front office personnel are hard at work figuring out who that newest Packer is going to be, I took the opportunity to review one of the biggest tools in Green Bay’s arsenal: their incredibly rigid athletic testing and body measurement thresholds. These thresholds are well known in the football world, and the thought process behind them has been written and discussed en masse. So today, I thought I would dig a little deeper into what those numbers actually mean to the people reviewing them.
Let’s start on the body measurement side of things. There are generally four measurements taken here: height, weight, arm length and hand size. Some prospects also opt to have their total “wingspan” documented as well, though it’s much rarer than the first four.
Height and weight are self explanatory. We’ve all had those measurements taken in school, or at the doctor’s office. Scouts use this information as a “quick glance” indicator of a couple of factors. For height, it can be a matter as simple as making sure a quarterback is tall enough to properly survey the field, and checking the requisite box. There is some subtlety hidden in this measurement though, especially when you consider that prospects can be too tall. Excessive height can be an injury risk, for example, if a player’s frame is too lean. It can also limit a player’s lateral agility, especially for positions like defensive back.
Weight is, of course, extremely positionally dependent. What it will usually tell you is what subsection of a position that a prospect could fit into. Is an offensive lineman a power based mauler, or an agile blocker that can pull across formations and help out on screens effectively? At 187 lbs, Jayden Reed is at home as a primary slot receiver, but DK Metcalf, who is almost 40 lbs heavier, is probably more of an outside guy, right?
Combining height and weight measurements can also give teams an idea of how “malleable” a prospect could be. Say there are two linebacker prospects who are both 230lbs, and the Packers want a heavier linebacker. Prospect A is two inches taller than prospect B, so there’s a little more “room” on his frame to add weight before you might have to worry about that extra weight affecting other areas of his game. It works the other way too.
Measuring a player’s arm and hand size is all about determining how much of the space around them they can affect. When you get players who are in constant contact with each other like offensive and defensive linemen, their “reach” can be the difference between winning or losing a rep. Just like in boxing, reach isn’t the end all be all, as you still need to win with fundamentals, power, and technique. Getting to make contact a bit before your opponent does sure helps though. For receivers and defensive backs, you also love to see the large “catch radius” that a long arm length can indicate.
Hand size is, to me, a pretty underrated aspect of scouting. For any player that touches the ball consistently, bigger hands means you control more of the ball when holding it. It’s really just that simple. It makes it harder to knock the ball out of your hands, it means you’ll have an easier time catching the ball, and quarterbacks get just a little bit of extra control. Bigger, more powerful hands can make a player’s life easier on the line of scrimmage as well, considering you’ve got a little more power to hold or break an opponent's grip when blocking.
Now, we get to the fun stuff. Or is it the tedious stuff? It probably depends on who you’re asking. It’s the athletic testing side of things.
These drills are generally understood to be split up into three areas. There is the vertical and broad jump, which measure “explosion”, the 40 yard dash and its component 10/20 yard split times which measure straight line speed, and the shuttle / 3 cone drills which measure agility.
Personally, I’ve got a love/hate relationship with the concept of athletic testing as a major tool of NFL scouting. I think there is some quality data points that you can gather from these numbers, one big concept it provides, but also tons of factors that make those drills near useless.
The one big concept that these drills provide is crosschecking. When watching a player’s film, you get a general idea of their game speed, agility and strength. That is, the actual athletic traits that they utilize when playing the game with pads on. For example, take Matthew Golden. At the combine, Golden ran a blazing fast 4.29 40 yard dash, the fastest among all wide receivers and second fastest overall at his combine. But, one of the main talking points surrounding Golden was that he didn’t actually play at that speed. So armed with this new information, it might behoove scouts to go back to the film and figure out why Golden did not play at that speed. Was he asked to play a role that kept him from unleashing his full speed, like lots of underneath / screen routes? Was it the quarterback’s fault? If you asked him to do something different at the NFL level, could he show that speed off? Or, was that number just a result of hyper-specific training before the combine?
Regarding Golden’s 40 yard dash time, we can dig deeper and find some more concrete meaning within it. This is why the scouting world also measures the 10 and 20 yard split times of that 40 yard dash. Can the player explode out of his stance for an impressive 10 yard split? Scouts can use this information to assess a player's release out of their beginning stance, a trait which applies to every position. How quickly can that player get to their top speed? That’s where the 20 yard split comes into play, and the final time should be an indicator of whether a player can maintain that speed through the rep (though that final number is unfortunately the one that usually gets wrapped up in a nice bow, presented as a final indicator of a player’s speed). For Golden’s part, his splits were elite, with a 1.47 10 yard split (99th percentile) and 2.49 20 yard split (98th percentile). His final time of 4.29 was a 99th percentile. His 10 yard to 20 yard split percentile drop (of one percent) is barely noticeable, but you can see how a more noticeable drop could result in some questions.
The ten yard split is often compared alongside the broad and vertical jump as “explosion scores”. Obviously football players don’t get a lot of chances to do much jumping on the football field, but those scores can tell you a lot about the “quick twitch” muscles that are essential for practical speed and strength on the gridiron.
Lastly, we have the agility drills, the shuttle cone and the three cone drill. Both drills are indicative of a player’s ability to maintain balance and speed while changing direction. The main difference between the two is that the shuttle is a lateral, side to side drill, while the three cones are done in an “L” shape, with a cone marking every point in the letter.
Obviously, we aren’t privy to the real numbers that the Packers front office uses to evaluate players, but thanks to the intensive research of Packers fans, we have a pretty good idea for a couple of positions. For example, we know that the Packers love offensive linemen who have a sub 4.75 shuttle time and sub 7.75 3-cone, while generally falling under 6 '6. For cornerbacks, you want to watch for players who are larger than 5 '11 and 190lbs, while scoring sub 4.6 40 times and a sub 7.00 3-cone. So on and so forth.
How important these drills are largely lie in the eye of the beholder, but as Packers fans it is important for us to remember that these drills are really important to the Packers. We obviously can’t influence who Green Bay will choose when the draft rolls around, but isn’t it fun to be informed on who the Packers might draft, and why? I love narrowing down the list of suspects, an endeavor that is exceedingly difficult without a first round pick. It’s a lot easier to narrow down the twentieth pick than the fifty second, but we’ll be there nonetheless. And remember, if you get too bummed out about the lack of first round selection, just spend the night watching Micah Parsons highlights. You (and the Packers) will be fine.
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Comments (22)
NickPerry
March 23, 2026 at 07:45 am
All this RAS stuff is great but isn't it time Gutey drafts "Football Players" instead of RAS guys who did well in spandex? Hey, I want the Packers draft choices to be great athletes too, but just because they performed well in the combine doesn't mean it translates to the football field.
People, including myself have FINALLY realized Gutey maybe isn't doing the smash up job we thought he was. Just look at his drafts and how many are still on the roster. I'm not saying don't draft high RAS guys. But lets draft Football Players for a change.
GO PACK GO!
golfpacker61
March 23, 2026 at 09:36 am
"All this RAS stuff is great but isn't it time Gutey drafts "Football Players" instead of RAS guys who did well in spandex?"
Very true Nick. And I would add drafting players who have actually played well at their positions for multiple years, shown constant improvement, and not focusing on "1 year wonders."
NickPerry
March 23, 2026 at 04:29 pm
Amen to that brother!
NFLfan
March 23, 2026 at 08:14 am
One NFL GM referred to the Combine as a 'Track Meet'--not a reliable venue to assess football players.
GregC
March 23, 2026 at 08:51 am
Interesting stuff. There is an article on packerswire right now about how body density is important to the Packers in selecting CBs. They won't select a taller CB if he is too skinny. So it's not just height and weight that are important, it's the ratio between the two.
Coldworld
March 23, 2026 at 09:07 am
But they won’t necessarily rule one out. Sam Shields away a taller, willowy type. Perhaps because he wasn’t drafted, they too a flyer and perhaps they just saw raw speed and agility too good to pass on.
Also, recall Hafley valued run play unusually highly. He wanted the type of back that article describes to a degree greater than ever before, probably, at least since the days when true bump and run was still legal.
Jaire was only 5’10, which is typically a cutoff. To your point though, that didn’t stop Gute using a first. I agree with you that it’s a composite overall, not an absolute straight jacket, but it’s one that may shift over time and coaches as well.
golfpacker61
March 23, 2026 at 09:38 am
Crazy isn't it Greg? There is no chance that the player could put on some good weight, it happens naturally as you get older anyway.
dobber
March 23, 2026 at 09:53 am
"could put on some good weight, it happens naturally as you get older anyway."
I clearly missed the "good" weight seminar...
GregC
March 23, 2026 at 10:16 am
It makes sense to me that body density is important, due to potential durability issues. I wonder if there is research to back it up. It should be easy to look at the correlation between body density and durability of CBs who have played in the NFL.
Coldworld
March 23, 2026 at 08:55 am
It doesn’t matter how fast a WR is if he can be knocked of his route continuously at the line or during his route. So thresholds have merit, but only in the right context.
Moreover, there are often different types of threshold combinations that work at a position. CB is one example. If a coordinator is one that can adapt to player strengths not try to fit them into a system, then even more so.
It’s also true that systems often change thresholds in terms both of numbers and priority. Why? Because they ask different things of the players at the position. The NFL also changes and thresholds respond. Look at how the prototypical ILB in the has changed in recent years, for example.
Thresholds are a good rule of thumb, but they are not immutable or eternal and are only rough guidelines that must be applied in combination. Some things boost others, some negate.
dobber
March 23, 2026 at 09:56 am
Several years ago, it might have been on AllGBP before the CHTV merger, they did a breakdown on the different Combine tests and how they correlate to All-Pro (or HOF) performance. There weren't a lot of strong correlations, but what I do remember is that one of the best predictors for high achievement as a pro was actually bench reps for OL and DL prospects.
Coldworld
March 23, 2026 at 10:12 am
I remember that piece and nugget as well (or one of similar vintage). I seem to recall that 3 cone score was similarly important to CBs. However, sticking to the bench press: even that though is partial, or perhaps better characterized as not good enough in isolation. One wants leverage/anchor, fast hands, initial burst from the legs and lateral movement. Strength alone doesn’t do it. It’s an amalgam (and obviously varies somewhat in emphasis with position).
Bitternotsour
March 23, 2026 at 11:58 am
beware the ides of tony mandarich
stockholder
March 23, 2026 at 10:17 am
There is no doubt the draft success
for elite talent has been low.
Overexposing? Very obvious.
(It's A faster play for entertainment.)
So much for-
Focusing on execution, toughness, and discipline.
The threshold use to be," highly instinctive."
Alternating between offensive and defensive schemes.
Has defeated the draft and developmental process.
Cost effective has prevailed!
So - point to Xavier or Micah for a All-pro now.
It's been very profitable for The glory of Gute.
Coldworld
March 23, 2026 at 12:00 pm
We will see this year if Golden, Morgan and Belton support your take and join MVS as an undoubtedly underwhelming pick or illustrate that the talent was there all along, but the preparation and usage was the problem.
splitpea1
March 23, 2026 at 11:03 am
Ugh!
All the gory details of the Packers' obsession with athletic testing and measurements reiterated for the zillionth time... Yes, we understand that some of these things need to be calculated, but how about some discussion on the intangibles of what the Packers are looking for once these rookies get on the field--like football instincts, attention to detail, coachability, drive to succeed,, etc.? They're both equally as important.
Bitternotsour
March 23, 2026 at 12:02 pm
Please provide the NFL GM who doesn't consider elite physical characteristics in their draft assessments. Please show me the poor testing, poor athletic specimens thriving in the NFL today. Who are these supposed "football players" who are also not supreme athletes.
The NFL is populated by elite athletes; your narrative is both tired and stupid.
splitpea1
March 23, 2026 at 12:34 pm
Did I say anything about not considering elite considering physical characteristics? No, I did not. If you read the comment you will see that I stated that both physical and intangible characteristics are equally important. So your response is indeed pretty careless and stupid.
Besides, all you have to do is consult AI for a long list of low-scoring athletes who have thrived in the NFL, including ex-Packer Za'Darius Smith, and going back even further, the average athleticism of the greatest receiver of all-time, Jerry Rice.
Bitternotsour
March 23, 2026 at 06:49 pm
Jerry Rice was drafted in 1985. 41 years ago.
I'll see your Za'Darius Smith and raise you a Micah Parsons.
Duneslick
March 23, 2026 at 12:05 pm
Drive to succeed may be the most important tangible
PatrickGB
March 23, 2026 at 02:23 pm
Good article. Thanks.
zoellner25
March 23, 2026 at 08:22 pm
I’ll never forget seeing Clay Matthews’ 10 yard split. He was elite