The Lass Word: Projecting What Love Could Be
QB could move up the all time list quickly.
By KenLass

During this dead time as we wait for training camp to begin, please indulge me in a bit of fanciful projection. I found myself having a little fun by looking at some of the Green Bay Packers all time individual statistics. I was particularly drawn to the all time passing numbers.
The Packers have been playing in the NFL for 103 years, but after Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers, the franchise has surprisingly no other quarterbacks in their long and storied history with impressive passing numbers.
Favre is the all time leader with 61,655 passing yards in 255 games. Rodgers is second with 59,055 passing yards in 230 games. But the dropoff after that is dramatic. Bart Starr is third with 24,718 yards in 196 games. Adjusting that to make it apples to apples, Rodgers leads with an average of 256 yards per game, Favre averaged 241, while Starr averaged 126.
In terms of touchdown throws, Rodgers leads with 475 all time, an average of just over two per game. Favre is next with 442 scores, averaging 1.7 per contest. Starr finished with 152, an average of .77 per game.
Yes, I get it. Pro football in Bart Starr’s era was a much different animal. Green Bay’s 1960’s dynasty was based around a devastating ground game led by Jim Taylor and Paul Hornung, and a shutdown defense featuring Hall of Famers such as Willie Davis and Ray Nitschke. And I hear some of you saying the only stat that really matters is championships. Starr had five of them, Favre and Rodgers one apiece.
I’m not really trying to compare Bart Starr to Favre and Rodgers. What I found intriguing is how easily current quarterback Jordan Love could move up in these all time standings. After just one year as the starting signal caller, Love already ranks eleventh in all time passing yards. And he is already in the top ten, currently ranking ninth, in touchdown passes.
Love threw for 4,765 yards in 2023. If he averages that each season over the next twelve years, he would surpass Favre as the all time franchise leader. Considering the fifth year veteran is only going to get better, that seems doable, barring injury of course. Love tossed 35 TD passes last season. If he were to average that over the next twelve campaigns, he would total 455, which would be good for second place, twenty behind Rodgers.
Surpassing Starr for third place is not only doable, but likely. Over the next five seasons, Love needs to average just 3,990 yards and 24 touchdown passes to move into third place all time in both categories.
The list of Green Bay’s career top ten passing quarterbacks has some wonderful and nostalgic names on it. Lynn Dickey (4th) is one of my favorites. I covered him between 1979 and 1983 when I was the sports director/anchor at WBAY-TV. I always thought he was underrated and under acknowledged when it comes to the lineage of green and gold signal callers. Dickey could spin the rock every bit as good as Favre or Rodgers. He just couldn’t stay healthy. During his career he suffered a fractured hip, a broken leg, a separated shoulder and a bad back.
There are names like Tobin Rote (5th), Don “Majik Man” Majkowski (6th), former Wisconsin Badger Randy Wright (7th), and David Whitehurst (9th), whom I also covered. Seeing their names brings back some awesome memories.
Nothing is guaranteed. We don’t know if Jordan Love is going to continue his rise toward the elite level, whether he will stay healthy, or whether he will slip into decline. It’s just that, every time I hear an analyst sing his praises, they always follow with a caveat, cautioning “now, I’m not saying he’s going to be another Favre or Rodgers”.
But in a passing league, with a pass-happy head coach, and seventeen game seasons (perhaps soon to be eighteen games), it won't take Love long to move up swiftly on the all time passing list. We've come a long way from Arnie Herber and Babe Parilli.
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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.
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Comments (22)
Cheezehead72
July 15, 2024 at 06:19 am
I am in the same boat as most Packers fans when I say that right now our best option is to go with Love and and get him signed to a contract. Yes we are gambling that a QB that had one good year and some might argue that it was only a half year is worthy of a contract. Here are the options.
Sign him to a 4 or 5 year contract and you have that position filled for that time with the opportunity to sign him to another contract. Years of hopefully good QB pay.
Start the season without a contract and get him signed after he has shown that he can play. This is the safe thing to do but does not prove anything as he still might not be a championship QB. Plus you end up making him upset and you have little chance of signing him because he might decide to go to another team after the season. Oh you say we can franchise him next year. Now that would really make him mad and you will never be able to sign him. And then we are looking at looking for a new QB. This causes instability in the team and the leadership.
I say we go all in and get him signed before the start of training camp. If management is willing to gamble and take chances that shows the players they should do the same. You are either all in and anything less is not going to win a championship. Also signing him to a contract will provide the continuity and chemistry to the team as the leader is going to be here for awhile.
Sign Love to a contract, build a team around him to make him successful, and coaches develop the team and provide the best plays for Love and this team to succeed. You got to do something.
T7Steve
July 15, 2024 at 06:38 am
That was a trip down memory lane, Ken. Thanks.
Love will be signed by the start of camp. Any other option is more expensive and will have long lasting ramifications far outweighing anything else.
Build a successful D get the O-line at the top of performance and Love's place in Packer passing history will fall into place without his seeming to have to try.
Packers0808
July 15, 2024 at 06:41 am
God forbid, what if he regresses?
T7Steve
July 15, 2024 at 11:10 am
HA! Are you subbing for Stock today?
Staying the same is even hard for these kids while they have a chance.
He's going to get better in pace with the O-line, of course. It all starts there.
stockholder
July 15, 2024 at 12:18 pm
No he is absolutely Right.
4 to 5 years is ridicules.
If you use projected numbers.
You use bonus clauses, based on play.
Giving the franchise away
won't get you better play.
It only will be life changing money.
That usually changes the player, and not the team
Packers0808
July 15, 2024 at 02:04 pm
There is always the chance of going either way. Just keep your wits and don't get overboard is all I am saying.
WestCoastPackerBacker
July 15, 2024 at 04:29 pm
They have watched Love in practice for 4 years now, and a season + playoffs of games. If he's not regressed in those 4 years, it would tend to make you think he's going to get better, particularly as the pieces around him mature. You can never know for sure if a player will regress after a big contract, but the only other option is to start looking for a new QB again. When you've got one who played as well as Love did the 2nd half of the season, you SIGN him!
Guam
July 15, 2024 at 07:43 am
I have watched the Packers from the Bart Starr era through current times and I was still surprised at the difference in per game passing yardage between Rodgers and Starr. Starr threw for less than half the yardage per game that Rodgers threw. Different era and some very different rules for the passing game - being able to chuck receivers almost all over the field as long as the ball wasn't in the air made timing routes a flight of fantasy in the Starr era. Between different rules and Lombardi's mindset to run the ball (the Packer sweep was a thing of beauty), the passing offense was very different than today.
The quarterback wasn't the most important player on the field back then, but he is today. Sign Love.
Cheezehead72
July 15, 2024 at 08:01 am
Yes the passing game has changed since the start of the SB.
During the Starr era:
First the WRs could get mugged. That is why they left their wallets in the locker room.
Second the WRs usually ran the route that they were assigned now a WR can run a number of different routes to find an opening. I believe the run and shoot offense made this popular.
Lastly and this goes along with the first. Running was less risky as you would either gain yards, lose yards, or fumble. Passing you could have a completion, interception, fumble, or incompletion. With the current rules it is a lot easier to get holding or DPI which is a first down.
Guam
July 15, 2024 at 08:25 am
The other rule that changed was in offensive pass blocking - offensive linemen were essentially allowed to hold as long as they kept their hands inside the shoulders of an opponent. This eliminated many of the holding calls during pass plays and also allowed QBs more time to find open receivers.
Moving the chuck rule from 10 yards from the LOS to 5 yards from the LOS significantly reduced the mugging of WRs. Both rule changes happened in 1978 and the modern passing era was born.
ricky
July 15, 2024 at 08:20 am
You left out the most important stat: championships. Starr is head and shoulders above the rest, with five, including the first two Super Bowls. And if the merger between the two leagues would have happened a year earlier, the Packers would be the only team to have won three in a row. But this is just "old guy" speculation. Besides, what made Starr so good was his decision making, play calling, and ability to turn third and short into nightmares for opposing teams. It was Starr's decision to try the iconic quarterback sneak against Dallas in the Ice Bowl, with Lombardi allegedly telling him, "Fine. Let's win the game and get the hell out of here." It did win the game, though Dallas did get the ball back, and "Dandy Don" Meredith threw some long passes, all of them incomplete.
Guam
July 15, 2024 at 08:30 am
No he didn't. Read the last two sentences of the fifth paragraph. "And I hear some of you saying the only stat that really matters is championships. Starr had five of them, Favre and Rodgers one apiece."
packanimal
July 16, 2024 at 12:06 pm
My appreciation of Starr increased considerably after rewatching the second Super Bowl. Taylor and Hornung were gone. Throwing to not-great receivers Dale, Dowler, et al., Starr passed for more than 200 yards and led the team to the win. Starr never had anything like a HoF receiver, though in the first SB he did benefit from the Hangover of Fame performance of Max McGee.
splitpea1
July 16, 2024 at 12:22 pm
Dale and Dowler were good receivers for their time in a less pass-happy league...Each made multiple Pro Bowls and had impressive career totals in yardage. Dale had a very impressive 18.9 yards per catch for his entire career with three teams.
packanimal
July 16, 2024 at 02:01 pm
You make a good point. My intention was only to give Bart Starr a little more credit. I've lived in Pennsylvania for decades and have had countless conversations/debates with Steelers fans about their dynasty QB and have often observed that Terry Bradshaw had Lynn Swann and John Stallworth but Starr had no such weapons.
vin0770
July 15, 2024 at 08:36 am
It’s just hard on the FO to be 100% sure to lock in on a HUGE contract off of 10 awesome games. Has there ever been a young QB that had a big year, got the big contract and then become a bust? Blake Bortles was rewarded with a 2018 big contract for those times $26.5 million guaranteed on a three year $54 million, largest cash payment $20 million, largest cap hit $10 million at the time.
So the easy thing to do is just pay him with no conscience after all it’s not my money. But you can’t have discussions with the agent and not address how things looked after 7 games.
That said, there’s no chance he’s not locked up and he wants out. Captain Obvious says it’s just for what $ and how long.
GregC
July 15, 2024 at 10:40 am
Wow, statistical inflation is really a thing, isn't it? Love is already 11th in yards and 9th in TD passes in franchise history. It speaks to the lack of sustained success for any Packer QB outside of the big three, but you know, Love really did have a darn good season. Lots of people think that the first half of the season was crap for him, but it wasn't that bad. He was not very efficient by modern standards, but that was totally expected as a first year QB surrounded by young players. He was quite productive all season long. He was not afraid to sling it, which is exactly what he needed to do. On-the-job training.
Leatherhead
July 15, 2024 at 10:52 am
As the season progressed, and particularly in the second half of the season, I saw over and over again that when Love has enough time, he can get the ball downfield to open guys. He's also very good at those tiny window darts you need to throw around the endzone.
If the Packers protect Love,and give him time to do his job, we'll score points. Love will protect the ball and run the offense.
T7Steve
July 15, 2024 at 11:24 am
As you and I watched Dusty's "Chronicles" progress, it was amazing how those young receivers learned their plays and were able to get open. Most of the plays showed at least one other wide-open option. These started happening when the Line got dialed in more. It was no coincidence Love balled out against the Bears in the first game then didn't do as well for the rest of the first half of the season. Jones' injury hurt almost as much.
TheTaxiSquad
July 15, 2024 at 01:29 pm
Because of Love’s coyness on the contract subject at his locker room interview last month, it has me thinking the contract is a done deal, and they’re holding the news for the shareholders meeting.
Leatherhead
July 15, 2024 at 07:24 pm
Your rankings are a little different from mine. My rankings start with Bart, because of those 5 rings and the Super Bowl MVPs. And by an extension of that, Love can enter the same realm as Rodgers and Favre by just winning one ring. Rodgers and Favre haven't set the bar very high in that regard, although they've had considerable individual success.
I keep seeing a window of two years without contract issues, and then another couple, and then Love will be 30 and he'll either have won a Super Bowl or not. His new contract will kick in and we'll probably be paying an unholy amount to keep him or we could start over with another guy we've been preparing.
I'd like to see him surpass Rodgers and Favre. I'd like to see another couple of trophies, and the window is right now.
PearlyBakerBest
July 15, 2024 at 07:52 pm
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