Packers vs Lions: Gameday Preview - 2025 Week 13

More than just turkey legs on the line

What would the holidays be without Green Bay Packers' football? The Packers have played on at least Thanksgiving or Christmas each season for the last five years. Today, it's another visit to Detroit for turkey day with the Packers taking on the Lions at 12 PM CST. On Sunday, the 7-3-1 Packers pulled off a 23-6 defensive drubbing of the Minnesota Vikings to kick off their divisional matchup streak. The 7-4 Lions were also victorious, but they just barely pulled off a 34-27 OT win over the New York Giants, where some questionable decisions late by the Giants likely saved Detroit. Today is a huge game that will undoubtedly have playoff implications in the end. 

The last time these two teams met was week 1 on September 7th, when the Packers basically shocked the league with a 27-13 victory over the Lions that wasn't as close as it looks. The Packers held Detroit out of the endzone all game long until the Lions finally scored a TD with 55 seconds left in the game in what was essentially garbage time. Jordan Love went 16/22 for 188 yards and two touchdowns. Josh Jacobs had 19 carries for 66 yards and a score, but the main show was put on by the defense, sacking Jared Goff four times and Evan Williams getting an interception. Things have changed since these teams last met, but the Packers will be looking to put on a similar performance today. 

On Sunday, the Packers finally played a game with contributions from the offense, defense, and wefense (special teams). The defense absolutely suffocated Minnesota's offense, only allowing 145 total net yards. The Packers' running game actually netted more yards than the entire Minnesota offense, with 146 yards rushing. Special teams forced a turnover on a punt for the first time in ages, which may have been the play of the game. Many have complained that the offense was not aggressive enough. I agree that in a game against a rival like the Vikings, as a fan, you just want to step on their throat all game long and run up the score. But from a Matt LaFleur perspective, I understand being conservative. We are unsure of the status of Jordan Love's left shoulder. The last thing we need heading into today's game is an even further banged-up Jordan Love or even no Jordan Love. So, I understand LaFleur not wanting to put Love in harm's way with the defense basically shutting down the Vikings' hopes of a comeback.  

It's our third straight game on Thanksgiving, let's go get some more turkey legs. 

What to See on Offense

In week 1, when I wrote about this matchup, I noted that everything Packers fans had heard about Micah Parsons could also be said about Lions' pass rusher, Aidan Hutchinson. Well, in week 1, Hutchinson was quiet. But he is back to form now with 8.5 sacks so far this season. Detroit also has a trio of linebackers high on the sack totals list, with Al-Quadin Muhammad holding 6 and Jack Campbell tying with Derrick Barnes at 4 apiece. Detroit has three more sacks total than the Packers this season. So, the Lions are no slouch when it comes to getting after the quarterback. In week 1, the Packers' offensive line did a great job of protecting Jordan Love, not allowing a single sack. They're going to need more of that today. Things have changed since week 1, but the offensive line will need to be prepared today for a possible siege on their quarterback. 

The Packers are banged up at wide receiver. Okay, fine, the Packers are banged up almost everywhere. But WR in particular has a long list. OUT today will be Savion Williams; Matthew Golden is questionable. Golden missed Sunday's game with a wrist injury after returning to the lineup the previous week. Given the fact that the Packers were playing another game four days later, it's hard to tell if Golden was held out to give him a little more time to heal up for today or what the situation was, but it would be nice to see him return to the lineup today. Another return that everyone has been waiting for at that position is Jayden Reed. Reed could really help open up the passing game a bit more when he returns to the field, but we will have to wait another week as Reed is OUT today. 

The Lions' defense ranks towards the middle of the pack in passing yards allowed on average so far this season. Safeties Brian Branch and Kerby Joseph are still a formidable pair in the secondary, with Joseph leading the team in interceptions with three. However, this secondary is a bit banged up itself, with Joseph OUT today with a knee injury and CB Terrion Arnold questionable with a concussion. If Love can stay out of harm's way, he may be able to exploit the Lions' secondary a bit. This could be a big game for Christian Watson. The Lions have been giving up some good games to WRs as of late, and even though the Packers spread the ball around a lot, Watson seems to have become the more reliable threat. I'd be looking for him to exploit the Lions' secondary today if given the chance. 

On to the running game. Josh Jacobs was held out on Sunday, and Emanuel Wilson had a coming-out party. Packers fans already knew Wilson could run the ball pretty well, but the league surely wasn't ready for it. He's absolutely carved out a spot amongst the NFL's best #2 running backs after that performance. My biggest takeaway from Wilson's first extended action was his patience in waiting for running lanes to develop. That's something you love to see from a running back. 

Josh Jacobs' status for today is still up in the air. Much like my previous comments regarding Matthew Golden, it's unclear whether Jacobs was held out on Sunday to give him a little more time to heal up for Thursday. Jacobs has said that he's definitely playing, so we'll go with that he'll be on the field today. 

Anthony Belton replaced Jordan Morgan at right guard on Sunday, and the returns seemed to be fruitful in the running game. We'll have to see how they rotate today, but the Lions are ranked 11th in rushing yards allowed per game and will be a bit more of a challenge than Minnesota's defense was. We'll have to see if, perhaps, with the emergence of Wilson as a formidable running threat has him split carries a bit more with Josh Jacobs and see how the running game responds. 

What to See on Defense

On Sunday, the Packers' defensive front likely inserted itself into JJ McCarthy's future nightmares. Outside of the five sacks, they hit McCarthy ten times; one of those hits ended up in an Isaiah McDuffie interception as Rashan Gary got McCarthy's arm, changing the trajectory of the football. When the Lions and Packers last met, Micah Parsons was that shiny new toy in his first game as a Packer, and despite being on a controlled snap count, he still harassed Jared Goff several times and picked up his first sack of the season. 

One of the biggest keys to today's game for the defense is to get in Goff's face again. The Lions' offensive line has kept Goff pretty clean since that game, only giving up just under two sacks per game on average. The Packers will need to do much better than that today to put pressure on Goff, as if they don't, he can make them pay. They may have a little help in that category as the Lions' OL is banged up with Graham Glasgow OUT with a knee injury, and the rest of the offensive line, minus Kayode Awosika listed as questionable. The Lions will also be without tight end Sam LaPorta, who is out for the season with a back injury, but they still have receivers Amon-Ra St. Brown and Jameson Williams, who are big-play threats. Keisean Nixon left Sunday's game with a neck stinger and was replaced by Kamal Hadden, who was able to hold his own, mainly aided by the pass rush, but if Nixon is unable to go, Hadden could be tested often today. 

The Packers need a repeat of Sunday's game from the pass rush to counter Detroit's passing game. 

On to the running game. In week 1, Green Bay's defense shocked everyone by holding Detroit to just 44 yards on 20 carries on the ground. Last week, Minnesota was able to run the ball effectively against the Packers' defense with Aaron Jones and Jordan Mason before the Vikings had to play catch-up and throw the ball. Jahmyr Gibbs has been great this season, averaging 6.1 yards per carry, and is only 49 yards away from hitting the 1K mark on the season. Behind him, David Montgomery is also having a good season as RB2, averaging 4.4 yards per carry with 511 yards on the season. If the Lions are able to run the football effectively, they can impose their will. The Packers rank 7th against the run, and the defense seems to rise to the occasion when facing a formidable running attack. 

You usually hear the quote that sometimes your best offense is a great defense. Well, this is often true, especially with the way the Packers' defense has played so far this season. But today, the offense may also have to be a great defense. If the offense can extend drives and put up points early and often, that will help the defense stay rested and force the Lions to rely on their passing game. 

Extra Notes

No, you did not have to adjust your television set; the Packers' special teams actually forced a turnover. After an early third quarter, Daniel Whelan's punt bounced inside the Vikings' 10-yard line. The ball took a backward bounce, right back into the Vikings' return man, who was trying to block Zayne Anderson from keeping the ball out of the end zone. Anderson recovered what ended up being a fumble, and the Packers took over on offense with first and goal. Those are the types of plays gunners on special teams dream about. This led to a Packers' touchdown and essentially sealed the game early as the Vikings did not recover. Whelan remains one of the top punters in the league, and that particular play could help boost his resume for All-Pro this season. 

My only question is, when I hit a backspin punt in Madden, why can't it turn out that way? Instead, it bounces like 10-15 yards backwards in the opposing team's favor.

Detroit's punter, Jack Fox, ranks toward the bottom of the league at 24 with 45.9 yards average. Their kicker, Jake Bates, has had a few struggles this season, going 15/19 on field goals and 37/39 on extra points, but he has a long of 59 yards. 

On the Packers' side of the kicking spectrum, for once, I didn't have to take a shot of whiskey before writing about it. Brandon McManus was a perfect 3/3 for field goals and 2/2 for extra points, accounting for 11 of the Packers' 23 points this past Sunday. We can only hope that success continues, because as I've said before, the last thing we want dominating our headlines is our kicking game. 

Jacob Saylors is Detroit's main kick returner, averaging 26.9 yards per return with a long of 39 yards, but Saylors has been dealing with a back issue lately. It didn't seem to hamper him this past Sunday, so it may not be an issue today, but with a short week, it's something to keep an eye on. Returning punts is Kalif Raymond. Raymond averages 7.3 yards per return and has a 65-yard PR TD to his credit this season. Luckily, we have a punter like Whelan to deal with Raymond to ensure he doesn't become a factor today. 

The Packers' return game has continued to be questionable. Kickoffs are about average with Savion Williams each week. With Williams OUT today, I'm assuming we'll see a lot more of Bo Melton on kick returns. Punt returns with Romeo Doubs are often, let's say, less than interesting. Doubs is likely out there to just be the sure-handed catch and nothing more than that. Watching him take two seconds to figure out where he's going to run after that catch can be maddening, but I have to admit, it could be worse. I'd rather have a sure-handed catch with no return than compare our punt returner to Amari Rodgers' issues holding on to the ball a few years ago. 

In the End

I'm going to say it. Tradition be damned, I'm so tired of Detroit and Dallas having the early and mid-afternoon games on Thanksgiving every single year. The NFL added the prime time game that the Packers have now hosted twice, so we actually get to see some different teams play on the holiday, but having to look at the inside of Ford Field/Pontiac Silverdome, and AT&T/Texas Stadium every single Thanksgiving for as long as I can remember has gotten old. It'll never happen, but I would love to see the NFL finally say, "No, we're letting other teams host this season."

We've had two Thanksgiving victories in the last two years. In one of them, Jordan Love was robbed of his coveted turkey leg, and it set the world ablaze. Last year, he finally got his turkey leg from Leroy Butler, and all was (somewhat) right in the world. But this year, we return to the scene of the previous crime. Let's go get that revenge turkey leg.

After a somewhat of a mini-bye week, the Packers will be at home against the Chicago Bears for the last of this three-divisional game stretch. Hopefully, we head into it with a lot of momentum. Go Pack Go. 

 

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Greg Meinholz is a lifelong devoted Packer fan. A contributor to CheeseheadTV as well as PackersTalk. Follow him on Twitter @gmeinholz and Bluesky @gmeinholz.bsky.social for Packers commentary, random humor, beer endorsements, and occasional Star Wars and Marvel ramblings.

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Since'75's picture

November 27, 2025 at 07:15 am

Happy Thanksgiving you filthy animals!

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GBPfaninMO's picture

November 27, 2025 at 10:37 am

Hope no one is HOME ALONE this Thanksgiving

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Guam's picture

November 27, 2025 at 07:40 am

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! And GoPackGo!

Two updates: (1) local newspaper said Jacobs was a go for today and (2) won't impact this game but retiree and former Detroit center Frank Ragnow is unretiring and will rejoin the Lions. Ragnow will help the Lions battered O-line. Glad he won't be playing today.

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Bitternotsour's picture

November 27, 2025 at 08:09 am

if Ragnow had to line up against Parsons today he'd retire again.

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Guam's picture

November 27, 2025 at 08:53 am

Cookie for Bitter!

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Since'75's picture

November 27, 2025 at 08:00 am

Hardly a lock, but i can see the Packers winning here on turkey day. With Love, possibly even getting his turkey leg this time around.

With Rhyan and Belton's run blocking skills, we may see the Packers eating some clock, keeping Goff off the field with the running game.
There has been some talk about the Lions offense not being as potent without Ben Johnson.
Well, the Lions are scoring 29PPG which to me....is still pretty damn good🤷‍♂️. 6 more PPG than the Pack
Goff has 23 TD's against 5 picks and a 108 passer rating. Numbers Jordan Love wouldn't mind having.

I think the best shot the Lions have is playing at home.
I also think that if the Lions lose, they may not even make the playoffs.

This is also a huge game for the Packers, losing puts them down to 3rd place in the Division.
Can't have that!!!

Conclusion....
Detroit isn't the sub .500 Giants and Vikings, but i think the Packers win this game, leaving them one step away, to first place in the NFC North
I also think the Bears record and success is somewhat of a mirage, but i'll save that for next week.

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WD's picture

November 27, 2025 at 09:08 am

I am surprised that no one even mentioned Gibbs. He literally took over the game last week against the Giants in the OT Lion victory.
My take is this game will be won or lost depending on Gibbs. He is both a runner and a pass receiver. Every time he touches the ball he is a threat to score, He is without question the best running back in the league.

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NFLfan's picture

November 27, 2025 at 10:18 am

Gibbs is also absolutely fearless-he plays all-out like a Kamikaze, no fear of injury or death.

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NFLfan's picture

November 27, 2025 at 10:14 am

I want to see a competitive game but not at the expense of Jordan L. He is clearly compromised as a sprained shoulder AC joint does not heal in 4 days (last game) The MD's will support the joint with bracing and he will get all they can give him in terms of intravenous Toradol and intramuscular local anesthetics. And, he is facing what some feel is a sometimes 'dirty' player (Hutchinson) who will likely play the entire game and Love has to rely on guys who have not shown much with their one-on-ones.Let's hope they are communicating with each other and able to double-team Hutchinson. I'm pretty certain Willis will be in the game but he cannot carry an entire game against a team like the Lions. I am asking that fans don't demonize Love and LaFleur if they don't feel the game-calling is aggressive enough. There are many factors to consider especially Love's selfless tendencies to put himself in harm's way.

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Since'75's picture

November 27, 2025 at 10:54 am

Welll, ok.......

I have a different perspective.
All Malik Willis has done with the Packers is win. If my memory serves, he has won every game he started.
In limited playing time in Green Bay, Willis has 4 TD's and 0 picks, coupled with a 75% completion percentage and a 124 passer rating
Not a huge sample size, but he's done almost everything positive, plus he has some wheels.
I have no qualms when he comes in, he usually comes in with positive energy and the team responds.
On the other hand....I'm not so sure Willis will be playing, no one can be.

As for Love......
This is the NFL, this is the big boy league. everyone plays hurt at some point, everyone. Love isn't immune to that.
Love has to play hard and play to win, period.
No one is going over to the Lions, telling them to be careful with Jordan Love because he has a sore shoulder.

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NFLfan's picture

November 27, 2025 at 11:16 am

Well-OK-
I have worked in the Trauma Emergency Room for years and have likely seen more banged-up bodies than you likely have. I get it is the NFL and I want to watch a compelling game too. But I don't want Love to have to pay with his body for poor OL roster choices & OL coaching issues.

Love is far from a 'baby-quite the opposite. If he had a consistent O-Line, I would say nothing.

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Since'75's picture

November 27, 2025 at 12:52 pm

Sorry. i didn't know you worked in Trauma emergency.

I'll assume you know the ins and outs of Love's non throwing shoulder injury.

I was out of line, not knowing your knowledge of Love's injury.

Again, i apologize.

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NFLfan's picture

November 27, 2025 at 10:20 am

I think it will be gutted out between Hafley and Campbell. I know the guys on the Packer's D will give it their all for their injured QB.

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BabeParilli's picture

November 27, 2025 at 11:16 am

Happy Thanksgiving to all Packers fans!

The question today is can Matt Lafleur find a way to win in spite of having Mr. Hyde - Jordan - at quarterback?

Dr. Jekyll rarely shows up and poor Lafleur has been asked to turn water into wine, but Matt is not Jesus.

The Packers 3 losses and 1 tie this year are each DUE to Jordan Love's BONEHEADED plays (Browns interception, Cowboys fumble, Panthers interception, Eagles fumble) at the worst possible times and thus can be placed squarely on Gutekunst, the incompetent, yet arrogant BONEHEAD who drafted all of College Football's leader in throwing interceptions and who has destroyed what was a Super Bowl bound team of veterans and future NFL 1st ballot hall of famers and future Packers Hall of Fame inductees with his complete disrespect for beloved and loyal Packer veteran players who dedicated their life and physical and mental health to the Packers.

Packers are 21-1 (19-1 with Jordan, 2-0 with Malik) when the Packers quarterback neither throws an interception or fumbles. The 1 loss is the 2023-24 loss to the Falcons 25 to 24 when Jordan committed another BONEHEADED play - remember when Jordan attempted a quarterback sneak, BUT WITHOUT THE FOOTBALL!!!
The Packers are 7 wins 19 losses and 1 tie when Jordan throws one of his BONEHEADED interceptions - these are not ordinary interceptions where the quarterback's decision to throw the ball was correct or at least up for debate - or BONEHEADED fumbles.

So given the strengths and weaknesses of both teams:

Packers
Defense Overall 5th best/lowest of 32 teams in points allowed with 18.4 points allowed per game
Run Defense 3.9 yards allowed per rush attempt, 7th best/lowest of 32 teams
Pass Defense 86.5 passer rating allowed, which is 9th lowest /best of 32 teams
Offense Overall - 13th best/highest of 32 teams in points scored per game with 23.9
Run Offense 4.0 rush yards per attempt, 24th highest/best of 32 teams
Pass Offense, 103.0 passer rating, 6th best/highest of 32 teams

Lions
Defense Overall 12th lowest/best of 32 teams in points allowed with 22.1 points allowed per game
Run Defense, 3.9 yards allowed per rush attempt, 6th lowest/best of 32 teams
Pass Defense 92.1 passer rating allowed which is 16th lowest/best of 32 teams
Offense Overall - 2nd best/highest of 32 teams in points scored per game with 29.6
Run Offense 5.1 yards per rush attempt, 2nd highest/best of 32 teams
Pass Offense, 108.8 passer rating 3rd best/highest of 32 teams

Lions on offense are a strong running and passing team and Goff makes few mistakes.
Lions on defense are near the top in run defense and average in defending the pass.
Packers run offense - on the basis of yards per carry - is in the lower echelon. Packers pass offense has been rescued by some of the league's best receivers who are unfortunately handicapped by a slow thinking, slow reacting quarterback with poor physical football fundamentals.
Packer defense has been solid against run, but that has been against weak running teams. Pass defense is average.

How do the Packers win today?

a) Malik Willis somehow comes into the game at quarterback

b) Stop the Lions running game. I expect the Lions to attempt to run run run early on the Packers - something the Lions did not do the first game of the year against the Packers. Gutekunst - in his usual incompetent and destructive way - weakened the Packers run defense by letting T. J. Slaton go and then giving away the farm for Micah Parsons. Love Parsons as a pass rusher and for his relentless pursuit of the passer, but Micah is not the run stopper that Clark and Slaton are and Clark and 2 first round draft choices were much too much to give away. The trade was Gutekunst's final act of desperation to save his job as he knows his drafting of Jordan in lieu of the needed wide receiver, defensive players in lieu of offensive weapons, and give away of still high performing future NFL hall of famers and Packers Hall of famers resulted in the Packers giving away Superbowl appearances - 8 years of incompetence and hubris from "Gutey" now and nothing to show for it.

c) Run the ball and Lafleur has to RESTRAIN Jordan - if Jordan stays in the game and is not replaced by Malik - by limiting Jordan's passing to mostly passes that are caught behind the line of scrimmage and less than 10 yards BEYOND the line of scrimmage. Even then Jordan is capable of some sort of BONEHEADED fumble or interception, but that at least decreases the odds.

The questions after this game - if Jordan is BONEHEADED again as we have seen again and again both in college and the NFL - will be:

1) Who will the Packers General Manger Gutekunst's PROPAGANISTS SCAPEGOAT today and throughout the week?

2) Beyond the immediate continuous diversions and scapegoating created by Gutekunst, who in Packers Management will be the catalyst to bring about the move away from Jordan Love and when will this occur? Gutekunst has too much at stake in Jordan Love to make the move away from him as Roseman did with Carson Wentz.

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BabeParilli's picture

November 27, 2025 at 11:50 am

Poll question:

Who will Gutekunst's propagandists scapegoat today if Jordan Love makes more BONEHEADED decisions and his Packer teammates cannot over come these BONEHEADED decisions?

How many scapegoats has Gutekunst - through his controlled propagandist media - used to divert attention from Gutekunst's incompetence, the piss poor performance of the player, Jordan Love - that Gutekunst has hitched his survival as a general manager to - and Gutekunst's lack of common decency and disrespect in dealing with veteran Packer players that have dedicated their physical well being and future mental health to the Packers

Let's name a few of the scapegoats that Gutekunst and his scapegoats have chosen and then examine separately each scapegoat.

A few of Gutekunst and his propagandists scapegoats:

1. Packers Offensive Line
2. Packers Defensive coordinators and defense
3. Josh Jacobs
4. Packers receivers
5. Packers' receiver Christian Watson in particular
6. Packers head coach Matt Lafleur

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November 27, 2025 at 11:54 am

Gutekunst's Propagandists Scape goat the offensive line for the Packers problems on offense:

Doesn't work, as per football reference the Packers offensive lineman allowed pressures (i.e. sacks, hits, and hurries) on Jordan per Jordan drop back (pass attempts, sacks, and scrambles) is 20.22%.

That is the 15th lowest pressure percentage for quarterbacks in the NFL of 34 quarterbacks and the league average is 21.2% - so the Packers offensive line's pass protection is better than the NFL's average.

And the 9-2 Rams offensive line protection of Matthew Stafford is 14th and just a small fraction better than the Packers pass protection with 19.99 %.

And Dak Prescott is 16th with 20.23 and the Cowboys pass protection just a small fraction worse than the Packers pass protection.

Jared Goff - whose Lions the Packers play today - is pressured on 24.8% of drop backs, which is the 29th in terms of lowest pressure percentage.

Also Jalen Hurts' (20.5%), Sam Darnold's (21.0%), Caleb Williams' (21.2%), Drake Maye's (21.6%), and Justin Herbert's (27.6%) offensive lines allow more pressures per dropbacks than the Packers offensive line, yet each of these teams Eagles (8-3), Seahawks (8-3), Bears (8-3), Patriots (10-2), and Chargers (7-4) all have better records than the Packers or in the case of the Chargers are within a half a game of the Packers.

Pro football reference evaluates every team and every receiver and ever offensive lineman and every quarterback using the same lens and criteria.

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