Packers Snap Counts Vs. The Bears: Week 18

The Bears are going to Bear, but Green Bay also seems to be to lose that winning culture.

 

The Packers elevated LB Michael Barrett and Safety Omar Brown from the practice squad.  The team earlier placed CB Jaire Alexander on Injured Reserve.  LB Quay Walker, Safeties Evan Williams and Zayne Anderson, DE Brenton Cox, WR Romeo Doubs, and OT Andre Dillard were inactive.  Michael Barrett did not play.

 

OFFENSIVE LINE:

Player Snaps % ST
Rhyan 65 100 4/15%
Myers 65 100  
Jenkins 65 100  
Walker 65 100 4/15%
Tom 65 100 4/15%
Telfort     4/15%
Glover     4/15%
Monk DNP   4/15%

 

The offensive line's run blocking was good.  The running backs gained 176 yards on 28 carries, a 6.32-yard average.  Melton and Reed had 4 carries for 4 yards, while Willis carried once for 3 yards.  Those jet sweeps are pretty when they work, but it has been a while since they have worked.  The line had an average day in pass protection.  The Bears had 7 quarterback hits and 3 sacks.  Those numbers are about the same as last week against the Vikings.  A free safety, a weak side linebacker, and a defensive end had 3 of the quarterback hits, with the other 4 by defensive tackles.

Sean Rhyan played the 65 snaps he needed to earn a Proven Performance Escalator, which is worth $1.92M in extra base pay in 2025.  With the 65 snaps, Rhyan managed to play almost exactly 35% of the teams offensive snaps over his first 3 seasons.  Several other players have earned the PPE enhancement for 2025: Zach Tom, Rasheed Jenkins, Kingsley Enagbare, and Romeo Doubs.  They also will earn PPE enhancements and all of them seem like locks to make the team (the enhancement is not guaranteed).  Overthecap has not updated their site, waiting until all the results are in.  OTC says the Packers have $62M in cap space, but with the 5 PPE enhancements, reader should just deduct about $10M from the number (5 x $1.92M). 

 

 

QUARTERBACKS:

Player Snaps % ST
Willis 43 66  
Love 23 35  

 

Love completed 7 of 12 passes (58.33%) for 69 yards.  He finished with a 74.4 passer rating.  Throwing to the open man makes sense, but if the team lacks elite receivers, then the quarterback better have very good protection so he can get through all of his progressions.  The offense risks being disjointed as the ball does not come out in rhythm to the first option as often.  Sometimes Love looks like an earnest student trying to remember all of the information the coaches tried to impart of the course of the priort tree days.   

Willis, who came on in relief of Love after an elbow injury, completed 10 of 13 (76.92) for 136 yards (10.46/attempt).  Willis had a 109.8 passer rating, which was helped by a coupe of things: Reed caught a wobbly 31-yard pass when Willis' throwing arm was hit during the play, and some receiver went up and made plays on some of Willis' passes.  Specifically, Kraft and Heath high-pointed some passes from Willis for gains of 20 and 41 yards.  While I am giving credit to the receivers, I like that Willis let those two passes rip because he put them in good spots that let his teammates help the offense.  Neither throw was turnover worthy.  Willis does have to have more awareness in the pocket and a better internal clock.  Willis did not see Byard coming off the corner unblocked for what seemed like an eternity.  Willis took a crushing hit and fumbled.  There was another play where he got outside the tackle box and should have just thrown the ball away but decided to take another look downfield instead and got tackled behind the line of scrimmage, despite if being first down.  Neither quarterback threw for a touchdown or had an interception.  There was a play early with Willis at quarterback and Love split wide.  

 

 

RUNNING BACKS:

Players Snaps % STs
Wilson 27 42  
Jacobs 20 31  
Brooks 18 28 6/22%

Emanuel Wilson and Chris Brooks once again looked good, and yet Josh Jacobs still managed to shine as the special back that he is.  Jabos gained 44 yards on just 6 carries for a 7.33-yard average and a touchdown on a really fine run.  Wilson gained 73 yards on 14 carries (5.21) and Brooks gained 59 yards on 8 carries (7.37).  Jacobs caught one pass for 2 yards, while Wilson caught his only target for a loss of 2.  Brooks had no receptions on 1 target.

 

 

TIGHT ENDS:

Player Snaps % ST
Kraft 62 95 4/15%
Musgrave 17 26 5/19%
Sims 7 11 4/15%
Fiotzpatrick 5 8 12/44%

 

Kraft caught 4 of his 7 targets for 36 yards with a long of 20.  He threw some nice blocks but missed a couple.  Kraft's blocking nonetheless has really improved from his rookie year.  Musgrave made a beautiful sliding catch for 19 yards on his only target.  Sims and Fitzpatrick had no targets, the same as last week and the week before.  It seems like Kraft was often targeted while he was close to the line of scrimmage and in traffic.  Fitzpatrick was held egregiously on the punt that the Bears returned for a touchdown.  He was one of the few players who had a chance to thrust a spoke in that wheel.

 

WIDE RECEIVERS:

Player Snaps % ST
Wicks 48 74  
Reed 45 69 6/22%
Heath 39 60 4/15%
Melton 26 40 7/26%
Watson 10 15  

 

Heath caught 3 of his 5 targets for 53 yards with a long of 41.  Wicks caught 5 of 6 targets for 49 with a long of 16. Reed caught both of his targets for 48 yards, with a long of 31.  Reed had a fumble after one of his catches that was a turnover.  It was a classic punch-out by the defender.  Reed only has 2 fumbles, but he has some muffs on punts and he had dropped 9 pass according to Pro Football Reference, a charitable assessment in my view.  Watson dropped his only target.  He left the game after just 10 snaps when his knee gave out in a non-contact situation.  It looked like he stumbled on a section of the field.  Non-contact injuries are often bad - fingers crossed.

This isn't the most dynamic group of wide receivers; it may be that I overestimated the room.  I like Heath's toughness, his blocking and he is plays special teams.  Melton plays a lot of special teams.  He had opportunities this year with injuries and suspensions.   Melton played 251 snaps this year, a big increase over the 139 he played last year.  Yet, he has just 8 receptions for 91 receiving yards after putting up 218 yards on 16 receptions in just 139 snaps last year.  His passer rating when targeted this year is 39.0.  Watson managed 555 snaps this year and only 9 more receiving yards than his rookie season.  Doubs has proved his value but did not make the jump fans hoped for.  Reed finished with 857 yards this season.  Wicks had 166 fewer receiving yards despite playing 128 more snaps and getting 12 more targets than last year.  Wicks also had 9 drops, according to PFR, the same number as Reed.  The Packers likely will lead the NFL in drops, not to mention not catching the tough but catchable pass attempts.  The Packers no longer have the diva wide receiver, true, but they also lack the go-to clutch player.

 

 

DEFENSIVE TACKLES:

 

Player Snaps % ST
Wyatt 31 50 5/19%
Clark 28 45  
Brooks 25 40 10/37%
Wooden 19 31 4/15%
Slaton 17 27 8/30%

 

Brooks had 4 tackles (3 solo) including a tackle for loss.  Slaton had 3 tackles (2 solo) and a tackle for loss.  He penetrated into the backfield early in the game.  Wooden had 3 tackles (2 solo).  Clark had 2 tackles (1 solo). Wyatt had 1 solo tackle. The Bears gained 83 yards on 26 carries for a 3.19-yard average with a long of 14.   

The Bears only gained 224 yards on offense.  They had to punt 6 times.  The Packers stopped them on 8 of their 11 possessions, the 6 punts, a fumble and an interception.  One of their touchdown drives was just 3 plays for 21 yards.  The Bears did convert 8 of 15 third and fourth down opportunities. 

 

DEFENSIVE ENDS:

Player Snaps % ST
Enagbare 35 56 7/26%
Mosby 33 53 19/70%
Gary 28 45  
Van Ness 27 44 12/44%

 

Gary had 3 tackles (2 solo) with an early sack and a quarterback hit.  Van Ness had 2 tackles (1 solo).  Mosby had 2 assisted tackles.  The record shows no quarterback hits for Mosby because trying to jump on the quarterback's back is not exactly textbook form. Enagbare had no statistics other than the horse collar tackle that turned a negative play on the Bears game-winning drive into a personal foul and a first down.  Enagbare may have had the most disappointing season of all the Packers.  

The Packers had a mere 2 quarterback hits and 1 sack, which came very early in the game.  If Caleb Williams sometimes looked frazzled, it was mostly pressure he put on himself.  Williams finished 21 of 29 (72.41%) for 148 yards (5.10 yards per attempt) and a 95.2 passer rating.  Williams did not do a lot, but he was reasonably efficient.  The Packers need more pressure against playoff teams.  Note that Gary only played 28 snaps.  It looks to me like the Packers tried to win this game but insisted on protecting their stars as much as possilbe while eeking out a win.  Gary has had 5 sacks in his last 8 games after getting only 2.5 sacks in his first 9 games.  He (or someone) need to catch fire in the playoffs.   

 

   

LINEBACKERS:

Player Snaps % ST
Cooper 58 94 6/22%
Wilson 48 77 19/70%
McDuffie 28 45 19/70%
Hopper     15/56%

 

Edgerrin Cooper 7 tackles (4 solo) tackles, 1 tackle for loss, 1 quarterback hit, multiple pressures and a fumble recovery (McKi8nney's).  Eric Wilson had 5 tackles (1 solo).  McDuffie had 3 assisted tackles.  Hopper no statistics.  RB Roschon Johnson caught all 5 of his targets but for only 15 yards.  Kmet caught 2 passes for 3 yards and De'andre Swift had no receptions on 2 targets.  The opponents TEs and RBs did not do much harm. 

 

DEFENSIVE BACKS:

Player Snaps % ST
Valentine 62 100 7/26%
Nixon 62 100 9/33%
McKinney 62 100 11/41%
Bullard 59 95 6/22%
Olapado 50 81 15/56%
Stokes 5 8  
Ballentine 5 8 14/44%
Brown     10/37%
Rochell     7/26%

 

Olapado got 50 snaps after playing just 18 snaps in the first 16 weeks.  He had 4 tackles (1 solo).  Nixon had 6 tackles (5 solo) and 2 tackles for loss.  Nixon always plays hard and is a physical presence.  He is always active, and on balance he has had a good year, especially as a blitzer.  Bullard had 5 tackles (2 solo) with a tackle for loss and a fumble recovery.  He has got the tackling down.  McKinney had 4 tadckles (3 solo) and his 8th interception.  He did fumble but the Packers recovered it.  What a great free agent signing.  Valentine had 3 tackles (2 solo) and he forced a fumble.  Stokes had 1 solo tackle in his 5 snaps.

DJ Moore is the only receiver who hurt the Packers.  Odunze caught 2 passes for 18 yards, though he had a 15 yard reception on their last drive.  Moore caught 9 of his 10 targets for 86 yards and a touchdown, with a long of 32.  He also caught the 18-yard pass to set up their winning field goal.  Valentine played pretty soft coverage (and the Packers used a 3-man rush) on the play.  [The Bears tripled blocked Kenny Clark and single blocked Enagbare and (I think) Gary on the completion to Moore.]  Valentine tackled Moore immediately, but I wonder if he was supposed to give up the middle and let Moore run out the clock?  Surely Moore would have just given himself up so the Bears could spike the ball in time.    

 

SPECIAL TEAMS:

McManus made all 3 of his field goals, including a go-ahead 55-yarder late field goal and his only field goal and both of his extra points.  Whelan punted 3 times a 44.3-yard gross average with one inside the 20.  The punt coverage team had an abject failure when the Bears used a ruse to make the coverage guys think the punt was to the right when it was to the left, leading to a 94-yard touchdown return.

 

RB: 1.00

TE: 1.40 (big number)

WR: 2.58

DT:  1.93

DE:  1.98

LB:  2.16

DB:  4.92 (big number)

 

Photo courtesy of Dan Powers, USA Today Network.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:14 am

I suppose it is just me, but I used to think GB is going to win this game, somehow, someway, but now I am starting to wonder how they are going to blow it: fumble, drop, interception, prevent defense. The Bears are going to Bear, but now I wonder if the Packers are going to join in. No Cutler or Fields to throw it to us, no low field goal tries. At least I no longer worry about losing it because the field goal kicker can't make a chip shot, much less a 55-yarder. Hence, McManus gets his picture on article.

The Packers would have simply outscored the Bears if they had kept Jacobs in the game and/or had re-inserted Love. Clark was held out of the game for a large chunk of the second half. Enagbare and Mosby toiled away on the field. Olapado played 50 snaps. LaFleur needs to decide how much he wants to win a game and not try to have it both ways. Having it both ways sounds a lot like LaFleur to me. Who is to say whether Watson if held out of today's game would not have fallen over in pain next week during practice. I am not upset about getting him eased back in a bit.

I liked it when Willis let it ripped. Loved seeing Kraft and Heath go up and get it for big plays. If the QB can accurately place the ball so it is an 80/20 ball, let her rip. Yes, I know earlier in the season I said Love can't throw up those ducks, but the fastballs Willis tossed were by no means ducks.

Usually it is coach speak when LaFleur says that something is on him. I usually don't believe him, but that timeout just before the McManus 55-yard field goal is mind boggling.

The safety room is vastly improved. The linebacker room is better with the emergence of Cooper and Quay getting a glimmer of how to play. The DL is the same except for the trade of Preston Smith. The defense is better. The offense stagnated, and probably regressed. Who is the WR coach? QB coach ain't helping his resume, either, at least as to Love, though perhaps he point to at Willis.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:50 am

"Usually it is coach speak when LaFleur says that something is on him. I usually don't believe him, but that timeout just before the McManus 55-yard field goal is mind boggling."

UGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

The 3rd down play was run with 1:05 left on the clock. They lost 2 yards and LaFleur called TO with 58 seconds left...WHY?

WHY give them all that time when you're kicking the FG anyways? Even if you still weren't sure calling TO did NOTHING to help the GBP.

MFL is an Offensive Coordinator and a damn good one and yes, every once in a while he'll coach his ass off and beat a good team. But if LaFleur has to coach against a good coaching staff or make HC decisions the Packers are screwed.

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NickPerry's picture

January 06, 2025 at 06:40 am

"Those jet sweeps are pretty when they work, but it has been a while since they have worked."

It's been a long while since they've worked yet MLF still calls them. Seems he's calling them more and more on MUST have plays/downs too. The RBs were averaging 6.5 YPC...Lets give it to the smallest WR on a jet sweep on a 4th down call and LOSE 2 yards.

I get it, hindsight is 20/20 but damn, it sure seems we're looking in hindsight more and more often when it comes to MLF.

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Since'75's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:02 am

Who would have thought that Caleb and the Bears could drive down the field with 54 seconds to go, and kick the game winning field goal?

I would have lost a lot of money if i bet on that.
*******
This game wasn't as bad as the Packers blowing a 12pt lead in the last 5 minutes against Seattle in the NFCCG of the 2014 season.
It just feels like it.

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:43 am

Seattle was a shock. This more a logical culmination.

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:25 am

Unfortunately this was the Packers season in microcosm. Terrible scripted plays, a disjointed offense that, run aside, couldn’t get out of its own way. The DC losthis nerve again and we essentially conceded field goal range in the middle of the field. Hafley needs a HC to tell him to play to his strengths and to win or LaFleur will ruin him too. Indisciplined and sloppy again, despite all the mea culpa’s last week.

LaFleur is 1 and 5 in the division and has been tactically whipped in all 6. The league had figured the offense out and him with it. He’s not a good tactician or play caller. He hasn’t been all season. It clearly wasn’t all Rodgers, indeed the disjointed big play or bust O returned with a vengeance, mitigated only by the move to a Jacobs led running attack and 2 unheralded back ups who performed excellently and deserve more credit than they get.

The OL is 3/5 good at best. It’s the same unchanged refusal to accept it’s not excellent throughout. Love doesn’t get clean pockets even against poor pass rushing teams. However, LaFleur called games as if it is a league leader all year. The DL was clearly misjudged as to talent and fit by both Gute and the coaches last winter. We need some serious review and possibly some trades to rebuild that.

The Division has figured out LaFleur. 6 out of 6 tactical whippings is not a fluke. If they have the league likely has or will have very soon. Add to that the fact that this team was typically poorly prepared and indisciplined over 17 games and we are in a position where the illusion has been punctured.

This team goes as far as LaFleur lets it, not as far as its collective talent and certainly no further. We have to overcome his tactics, scripted plays and play calling more often than not against any but the most beaten up or dysfunctional teams. Love and co are constantly playing up hill. This isn’t particularly new. In fact it’s recurred almost every year for the last 6.

The LaFleur era is over. The W:L record shown as a product of rosters. Everything else has been shown to be stripped away over this season by our actual play and inability to correct and by the ability of divisional opponents (at least) to anticipate and exploit us. The only question is how long it will take for the Packers to see through the myths being punctured week after week.

A pathetic but hardly surprising outing and outcome. LaFleur is a dead man walking as a HC. The evidence is consistent, overwhelming and repeating and we have just had yet another practical demonstration that our opponents, even very poor ones, have deciphered that and capitalized on it 6 times in 6 divisional games. Only a lottery odds play saved us from being blanked in the division.

I don’t know how Gute views this. But it’s time he was allowed to assert himself so that we can see if he’s drafting for what the coaches want or co-culpable. If he is not learning instead of simply obliged to draft in their image, then we have a bigger problem. It starts, however, with LaFleur and it won’t get better till he’s elsewhere. If we play that elsewhere twice a year, it wouldn’t scare me one iota. We have been suckered for too long. We were better under Sherman (before he became GM).

Yes, I know we are in the playoffs and anything can happen. Great. The one thing this team has proved can’t do is play a complete game well. It can’t even play well in parts of some games regardless of opponent. Thats the reality of what we are, not our playoff status.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 06, 2025 at 02:07 pm

""" LaFleur is a dead man walking as a HC. The evidence is consistent, overwhelming and repeating """

This is derangement. LaFleur is one of the better coaches in NFL history. He's already 34th on the list for games over .500. He's made the playoffs 5 times in 6 years.

Keep beating that drum Coldworld. It makes you look smart.

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 05:44 pm

I will. Just as he keeps proving my point and has been for over half a decade. You seem to forget, he’s had some quite good rosters and players to help him along. Unfortunately they’ve never once lived up to expectations in any season.

It’s just a matter of time before he goes. How long will determine how far behind we fall. We are a team out coached 6 times in 6 chances by divisional teams, good and bad. Thats a really tough place to recover from when you can be owned multiple times in a season by your own division.

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T7Steve's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:39 am

"The Packers no longer have the diva wide receiver, true, but they also lack the go-to clutch player." Doesn't the QB have to turn one into that? Right now, I think it's Kraft and they need to work him into the mix more often.

I am hoping the last two games, that they wanted to win but weren't going to do anything special if they had to. Was waiting for the snap counts to see if that bore out. I'm glad they saved some miles on Jacobs, but to lose to the Bears is not just playing it safe, it's not playing at all.

We can only hope that this is the big trick possum strategy. Show ineptness for a couple weeks to lull the 1st playoff opponent to sleep. They've tried everything else, why not?

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Guam's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:48 am

Three plays are etched in my mind: (1) the punt return for a TD; (2) LeFleur's time out before McManus's last field goal; and (3) the prevent defense on the Bear's last offensive play before they kicked the game winning field goal.

How does the punt coverage team not locate the ball? You can't cover a punt if you don't know where the ball is. The Bears tried the same crap a year ago and had a TD canceled by a penalty. How does Bisaccia not cover that in the pre-game preparation? That was a major fail by Bisaccia and special team's group.

LaFleur's last time out gave the Bears the time they needed to drive for the winning field goal. Complete clock management failure by LaFleur again. This is hardly the first time he has butchered clock management this season. One of LaFleur's off season goals has to be to find a way to improve the Packer's management of the clock.

I don't get the prevent defense. The Packers needed to prevent a field goal attempt, not a TD. Santos is a good kicker with range and the Packers should have known where his range limit was. The defense gave the Bears field goal position by their defensive set up. Why and who made that decision - LaFleur or Hafley????

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murf7777's picture

January 06, 2025 at 08:50 am

I’d be surprised if it wasn’t Hafley making the decision on playing prevent defense. Unfortunately, he hasn’t done a very good job at calling the right plays at the end of games to seal a win. Sure, I believe players executing is more important, but that play call was just one of many over the course of the year that Hafley wasn’t aggressive enough. All you have to do is watch the Lions play defense to know what I’m talking about.

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Guam's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:05 am

Probably right that it was Hafley's call, but ColdWorld and others have noted that DCs under LaFleur seem to get more timid the longer they coach under him. Have no idea if that assertion is true, but it does seem so at times. I know in the pre-season all Hafley was talking about was pressure on the QB. Not sure where the disconnect is.

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FumundaStank's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:21 am

I'd bet it's MLF. Just look at the DC's under MLF. They all coach the D and call plays the same. Doubt it's a coincidence.

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:46 am

He might not have the horses to get the needed amount of pressure. Some of the problems Hafley inflicted on himself. Valentine is noticeably better as a CB but Stokes got more snaps. They are both bad in run support, as is Alexander when he is available. It took too long for the defensive coaches to institute a meritocracy, but at least they got there eventually. Only Nixon is a good blitzer, so that makes things a bit predictable. McKinney is pretty good and it seems to be Bullard ought to be a good blitzer.

We should check the numbers but with Alexander out Hafley seemed reluctant to dial up blitzes. Really, pretty much all year, so I am uncertain why he blitzed so infrequently.

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 10:35 am

Pressure is an issue, and a real one, but on that play there was no DB within yards of the gain line in the middle. It was clear live. That’s a separate issue altogether.

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Guam's picture

January 06, 2025 at 11:26 am

Walker and Cooper should also both be good blitzers and yet the Packers rarely sent A-gap blitzes. Hafley just doesn't seem to blitz much, but I watched Detroit blitz Minnesota like crazy last night and held Darnold very much in check. I think Hafley is too reliant on the front four for pressure.

That said, the front four could sure use a quick twitch, bendy pass rusher. They have too many bull rush types and too few speed rushers.

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BruceC1960's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:44 am

Enegbare horse collar was a killer too.

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Major Snafu's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:23 am

If you want to analyze this team it's easier if you compare talent against the division. and orgs against each other and you get a real snap shot that this is not a talented team by any stretch.
First, we played the worst teams in the nfl and early to. Second we lost games to the best teams. Thus were in between.

When your nemesis GM drafts a top pass defender plus goes out and finds two top free agent pass defenders both having 11 sacks each and pro bowl bound and your playing Van Ness your GMs draft pick, it tells which org is serious about winning now not developing people.

The Video les have like 7 pro bowlers on the team, real stars both sides the ball. Your hero Watson, Alexander, Walker are stiffs who if they aren't hurt do very little when playing.

Id be very worried about next season and f i was a fan. Very worried could be a long year.

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 10:38 am

You aren’t a fan, as you admit in your fervor. Draft position does have a lot to do with it, but I do agree to the extent that Gute needs to force changes in personnel types on the current coaches. Their preferences at key positions have largely been discredited. Notably the OL and now DL (also the change impacts there). That bleeds into everything. He learns, fixes it or we get worse and he becomes part of the problem, this year has swept away myths. Time to correct them.

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stockholder's picture

January 06, 2025 at 11:01 am

Gute hasn't fixed the Dl since he became GM.
He's tried, but he just can't find the game changer.
So we had the Smiths. Clark and that was it.
Now what do we have.? Solution-
An older Clark. A Gary , and revolving door including - Dcs.

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 01:24 pm

Gute doesn’t appoint or have approval over coaching hires. He never has.

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stockholder's picture

January 06, 2025 at 07:10 pm

No shit. But thats what you got.

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vin0770's picture

January 06, 2025 at 09:28 am

I’m concerned we’re caught in limbo. The team didn’t improve a ton over last year namely at QB1 and the apparent problem of being flat and out coached in big games seems like a strong trend.

MLF isn’t awful and doesn’t deserves to be fired, but there are plenty of data points especially in the playoffs to tell you what he is. What happens if they are one and done and get easily handled, which the tea leaves are trending?

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 10:42 am

Mike Sherman was a better coach than LaFleur (before he became GM). What you describe is unacceptable and does deserve to be fired. It’s time to take things to the ever more logical conclusion.

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tobinrote's picture

January 06, 2025 at 10:39 am

I have had it with Love throwing grounders or with the incredible mismanagement yet again of the clock. or with rushing only three and conceding the middle of the field for perfect field goal range. Face it: Love is at best a mid tier average to below average qb. and MLF just seems to go clueless too often for a head coach. Right now i would greatly prefer Willis as qb to Love's consistent inability to make routine throws. the only explanation for our winning record is how mediocre the NFL product has become. Compare the bunglin of this team with the Lions who are down 8 or so starters on D and nonetheless coach them up to absolutely murder the Vikings. We kind of need a housecleaning. Gutey misses so often on his number 1s: Van Ness, Love, Walker, Wyatt, Alexander, Watson..... You can see i am madder than hell at the inferior product this team is

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stockholder's picture

January 06, 2025 at 11:05 am

Love is your QB.
The revolving door must stop.

Trade Willis -
Get what you can now.

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CanPackFan's picture

January 06, 2025 at 01:04 pm

Love is a true gunslinger who has now been mis-cast as a game manager of a run first team. Let's hope MLF can eventually find the right formula to alleviate this quandary?

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J-Rome's picture

January 06, 2025 at 12:50 pm

LaFleur admitted they were thinking about getting ahead early and resting people. What message does that send, especially when you fall behind? Then you start resting people anyway? It just looks like a lot of indecision. Fast forward to the end of the game, it was more indecision and just poor time management all around. You've been a coach for years now, you should have a plan on what to do in these situations by now. Thats poor leadership. The defensive call on the last play was just more of what I have been seeing from this team. The Packers aren't playing the game, they are waiting for the game to happen to them. Guess what? It did.

On another note, I didn't really like Love's body language either. He just looks very unsure. Is that LaFleur's indecision trickling down to him? I'm not sure this team is all pulling in the same direction right now.

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CanPackFan's picture

January 06, 2025 at 01:01 pm

I totally agree. LaFleur wanted to win the game but had no real plan as to how he would use his starters. As the game changed, MLF waffled.

As per love, I also agree. He's unsure because last year he was a gunslinger. Now MLF wants to be a running team and has curbed Love's greatest gifts. I like Jacobs, but should the Packers be TRULY a run first team just because of 1 RB? If he gets injured, are we still a run first team,? Food for thought...

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Coldworld's picture

January 06, 2025 at 01:28 pm

A gun slinger and a workhorse RB should be able work together just fine. Favre and Green did. The issue here is how the lay caller is responding to that, not an inherent conflict.

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J-Rome's picture

January 06, 2025 at 01:35 pm

Waffled, That's a great way to put it. I only hope this isn't just a symptom of a larger problem

I agree with you on Love. The game plan doesn't seem to fit his skillset. Is LaFleur playing "around" his QB? Jacobs is great, but I think there needs to be more balance. It just looks like Jacobs is the only player who is being put in a position to excel.

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CanPackFan's picture

January 06, 2025 at 12:52 pm

The only thing I try to gleam from snap counts is effectiveness. If a player is on the field a lot and had no significant plays, I question his effectiveness. Therefore, my thoughts are:

McDuffie - Didn't hear his name once. Only 3 assisted tackles. Is he injured?
Heath - He is a baller! Should get way more reps.
Valentine - Getting better every game. Becoming a play maker.
Reed - Mis-used in his gadget role.
Wicks - Getting better after brutal season.
Love - A gunslinger. But his HC wants to run the ball now, which never allows him to get into rhythm.

I wish this coaching staff looked more at current momentum/ current production of players versus their own self analysis... GPG

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Rhah's picture

January 06, 2025 at 04:33 pm

I think the Packers need a WR. I wouldn't mind seeing them go after Adam's, if he wants to come back. (After the Jets cut him)

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Grandfathered's picture

January 06, 2025 at 11:31 pm

Thanks for writing this snap count series all season!

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