Packers 20 Seahawks 7 Game Balls & Lame Calls

Now that's more like it

It's finally time to set our eyes on a pivotal match up with Detroit in week one, and all that's left is for the Packers to set the final roster. That'll come on Tuesday, and there will be plenty of discussion on the topic between now and then. 

Meanwhile, the Packers finally did what they were supposed to do: controlled the game from start to finish against a lesser opponent. The offensive and defensive line showed off a greatly improved discipline (maybe after getting it all out of their system during joint practice) featuring fewer penalties. 

Game Balls

Matthew "WR1" Golden

There's a part of me that feels bad for national level football writers. With 32 teams, thousands of players, and tens of magnitudes beyond that of moving parts surrounding the entire league, there's just no way that any one person could possibly keep close enough tabs on every single team. I understand why they sometimes need to use surface level, elementary understanding of teams in order to do their job. 

But I will not miss the discourse surrounding Green Bay's lack of a WR1, especially from those talking heads. Matthew Golden is here, his time is now, and he is WR1. 

Even looking back last year at the optimism surrounding the Packers young receiver corp, when we were all convinced this group would take a step together and become a dominating force in the league. None of those players had the individual hype that Golden has. No one had the pure talent that Golden possess, the combination of speed and hands that make defensive coordinators sweat at night. This preseason he's shown off everything else, from body control to release at the line of scrimmage. 

Depth is beginning to show up

Every contending team in the NFL needs a "superpower". Something to hang their hat on, something that they know, if nothing else goes right, this thing always will. The Eagles controlled the line of scrimmage on every play. The Chiefs have Patrick Mahomes. The Lions have a tough, competitive culture that never lets out. The Packers have their depth. 

This is, in my opinion, the deepest team in the league, and it finally showed it on Saturday night. Yes, yes, the Packers played their starters against a lineup of what mostly consisted of Seattle's third stringers. I'm not talking about that part. When the starters, and even the second stringers were finally inserted into the game, they made their presence known in a big way, especially on defense. Green Bay forced their way into the backfield all night long, and we saw the fruits of Jeff Hafley's "see ball, get ball" mentality that the defense has been preaching all training camp, to the tune of three takeaways. Kamal Hadden and Kalen King bounced back from poor showings in Indy in a big way, as did Donovan Jennings and even Isiah Simmons. Those are roster bubble players! Hell, there's a world where none of them are on the 53 man roster come Tuesday, but here they are showing out. 

Ty'ron Hopper

What a turnaround the fan base has done on Hopper, even from a few months ago. He's gone from a certified bust, a waste of a third round pick, and worse, to a fan favorite who continues to earn trust from the coaching staff. While the selection was certainly... head scratching at the time, it was never hard to see exactly what drew the Packers to him, especially in a era where linebackers are hard to find. His 7.42 RAS put him in a unique position to develop over time, and he's done just that. 

He's been a one man wrecking crew over the last three weeks, and there should be nothing stopping him from proving himself even further on the field when the games actually count. I think we are in for a heavy rotation of Hopper with McDuffie when opportunities for 3 linebacker sets present themselves.

Lame Calls

The battle for QB3, or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bombs

Look, if there was a game today and the Packers were down to playing Sean Clifford or Taylor Elgersma, we'd be f**cked. NFL teams might not want to practice f**cked, but GM Brian Gutekunst certainly needs to think about how the team would need to operate. The Packers are in a uniquely blessed position, in that if QB1 goes down we can get wins with QB2. So where does that leave QB3?

This conversation is sure to dominate the Packers-sphere over the next couple of days, and the discussion of Clifford vs Elgersma could be viewed as a fundamental examination of what exactly the practice squad is for. Is it a place to store your last ditch, break in case of emergency option, or is it a place to develop players? While the answer is unequivocally both, surely a team with Green Bay's championship aspirations should lean more towards the present instead of the future. I recently  predicted that Clifford emerge as the Packers' practice squad quarterback, as the safer option, though I'm less convinced of that now. What I am convinced of it that I don't want either of those quarterbacks seeing the field at all, until next year's preseason.  

More OL injuries?

While there are no new reported injuries from the Seattle game ("as of yet!" I yell to the universe, knocking on all the wood I can find) it's certainly okay to feel a little nervous about the status of the offensive line. Jacob Monk was added to the injury list on the 18th with a hamstring issue, while Elgton Jenkins did not play on Saturday after not finishing practice on Thursday (although it could maybe be explained by the extra cirricular activities he took part in). The assumed OL lineup for week one was always Walker-Banks-Jenkins-Rhyan-Tom, there could be some lingering issues. Specifically, the back injury of Aaron Banks is lingering much too close to week one for my taste, and I wonder if we see Jordan Morgan start the season there. 

Uncertainty at returner?

Like many, I was hoping that the addition of Mecole Hardman could put an end to the seemingly eternal search for some stability at punt returner, but its a question as to whether the Packers will keep Hardman on the roster at all. So where does the team go from there? Will Shepard took two punt returns on Saturday night, but he's even less liekly to make the team. The team could once again hand off those duties to Jayden Reed, but between his injury and the team's apparent eagerness to put a new body in that slot, they might choose to instead use a new option. Kickoff return is in a similar place, considering Keisean Nixon hasn't attempted returns this preseason either. That duty has fallen mostly to Isreal Abandikanda, who also could find himself on the outside looking in. Between him and Hardman, there's jsut no one else who has taken those roles in the actual preseason games. There's of course a steady rotation at punt and kick returner in practice, but hardman and Abandikanda were the ones who won those jobs out of practice. 

Now, it's possible these facts should instead be pointing us in a different direction: Hardman and Abandikanda could make the team, based on their roles. We'll have to wait until Tuesday to find out. 

Three and Out

-- There's sometimes a bit of gamesmanship in these final preseason games, when it comes to assigning snap counts. Sure, you want to give your guys the opportunity to prove themselves, but the catch is what if they prove themself too much? Giving other NFL teams more film to evaluate on players you might consider to be priority options for the practice squad, might just be giving them more reason to take those players from you in the first place. An example of this might be Isreal Abandikanda only getting six carries against the Seahawks, or Cornelius Johnson's two targets. Food for thought. 

--  Early in the preseason, Matt Lafluer revealed his team's strategy of playing starters more during these games was based on a nugget of data, that indicated the ramp-up period before the regular season was proven to actually prevent more injuries. We'll have to wait and see if that proves to be true, but I still was, and am, in favor of playing starters more. I loved the idea of playing them in week one, having a "bye" in week two for them, before doing it again in weeks 3 and 4. You've got two mini byes to utilize, with this method. Of course, the injury bug still hit the team hard, including new injuries to Jacob Monk (and possibly Elgton Jenkins?) just this week. 

-- This is it! The next time we see the Packers suited up, it'll be for real, with the chance to put the ghosts of last season behind them immediately. A win against the Lions in week one would help prove the fluky nature of 2024, both around the team's losing record against the NFC North and the contenders of the NFC. A loss, while not immediately devastating to Green Bay's super bowl aspirations, could be a blow to the team's morale. No matter how much players like to say they ignore national narratives, you know every Packer is aware of the monkey they need to get off their back. It could be the perfect moment to hand the Lions their first L in this matchup since 2023: the loss of both coordinators, the upheaval in the Lions offensive line, and the home environment. Now, all the Packers have to do is pounce on their opportunity. 

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mnbadger's picture

August 24, 2025 at 08:32 am

Made the trip to Lambeau, what a beautiful day in a beautiful venue.
Fun for all age groups no matter how you choose to fan.
Second half was a snooze fest, surely designed to hide talent and play calling while watching fringe players and protecting the key components.
Say goodbye to the longshots, get the thoroughbreds ready and bring on the lions.
GPG!

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NFLfan's picture

August 24, 2025 at 09:05 am

I'm looking forward to watching the actual starters from both teams play each other. It's not a level playing field
watching our starters over-power 3rd stringers.
Golden and Doubs seem battle-ready.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:17 am

We played some of our starters in the first quarter. 19 of our players did not dress some perforce, but some by choice. The prior week was the opposite and I don’t recall you noting that. By the second quarter all were done. Actually, the Seahawks kept a number of roster bubble players in longer than we did.

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Stik75's picture

August 24, 2025 at 09:08 am

Deepest team in the League???
I dont see it.
But if it is we wiill surely see it in action early and often.
As there are still a bunch of injury situations to be clarified.
Love
Reed
Wicks
S.Williams
Jenkins
Banks
Monk
Hobbs
Mckinney
Sorrel
Anderson
Maybe::
Wyatt

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Mister Chievous's picture

August 24, 2025 at 05:42 pm

deepest? what is this guy even talking about? just making stuff up. can't wait for the 4th preseason game he mentioned

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Guam's picture

August 24, 2025 at 09:13 am

I know the Packers want LVN to be the edge opposite Gary, but Brenton Cox put on a show yesterday against the Seahawks. He picked up right where he left off last season with a sack, a forced fumble and several key run stops. This guy is going to force his way into more playing time. Definitely worthy of a game ball.

I also thought Kalen King had a good game and may have made the roster as CB#5 with his play against Seattle. Good in coverage and in run support.

Injuries are hurting the O-line. I have yet to see the same OL start more than one game. With Banks and Jenkins out yesterday the OL was again a patchwork quilt. Cohesion and consistency are always valued commodities with the OL and I have yet to see that happen. The OL is the only part of the team that is scaring me right now.

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splitpea1's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:08 am

I have a strong feeling Cox is our man...lately all he does is make plays. You know, we haven't had a double-digit sack guy since 2020 (ZDS), and I think Cox can achieve this if given the chance.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 02:18 am

I've been a fain of Cox all along, just thought he had "it" in him. That still remains to be proven, but he's giving us more substance to that the more he plays :)

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:22 am

I thought Jennings was the biggest surprise of the game. He played well at LG then RG in the first half. A close second was the C beside him, Smith, who played well and snapped well. I actually feel a lot better about the interior depth after yesterday.

Unfortunately not so at RT. Belton isn’t ready, his footwork and resulting balance needs a lot of work. We need to have Morgan or Walker get some snaps there asap. Use Belton as a 6th OL.

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Guam's picture

August 24, 2025 at 11:31 am

Jennings surprised me as well - he had a decent game. Not sure it will be enough to keep him on the 53 as he didn't play as well in the first two preseason games and most prognostications I have seen put him on the PS again. Likely the same for Smith.

I don't think Belton is a tackle. His lateral quickness is lacking against speed rushers and he gets out of position and off balance chasing them. I would much rather see him at guard.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 12:21 pm

His issues with bend are a question at G, especially as he’s big. Hence the debate over his prospects. Personally, I think it all comes down to his footwork not being schooled. His problem isn’t raw athleticism but dire technique that robs him of lateral quickness and exacerbates his balance issues (along with his proclivity to play too high).

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Guam's picture

August 24, 2025 at 04:55 pm

At his height (6' 6") bend will be an issue at guard, but his raw power and plus run blocking skills are well suited to the IOL. Can his footwork be fixed well enough to contend with speed rushers - IDK. He could get a QB killed while learning how to pass block against NFL rushers.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 06:36 pm

Without winning the leverage battle, power is wasted.

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Guam's picture

August 25, 2025 at 07:48 am

He either has to learn to bend or learn better footwork to have a position. If he learns neither, his career will be limited.

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Mister Chievous's picture

August 24, 2025 at 05:57 pm

nice proclivity usage

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:14 am

PAD LEVEL!!

lol

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 02:23 am

Belton is #7. Morgan is #6. I agree Lecitus Smith was a pleasant surprise, in a preseason game, against second or third stringers. Jacob Monk is not ready even moreso than Belton is not ready, not sure if L Smith just looks better by comparison to Monk? #8 and especially #9 OL is pretty shaky, wouldn't surprise me if Gutey tries someone off waivers ...

While I was hoping for more depth it's a pretty good spot to be in with a second year first round pick as #6, and a second round rookie as #7. I do think Belton will become good. I'm just not sure how long that will take ...

Jordan Morgan has improved drastically over the 3 preseason games. Getting some reps has a lot to do with that, I expect. Lol

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marpag1's picture

August 24, 2025 at 04:26 pm

It's not so much that the Packers 'want' LVN to succeed, it's just that he's clearly a better player than Cox, at least at the moment. LVN may not be what you wanted from a high first rounder, but he seems to have improved (somewhat dramatically) from previous years, and he still hasn't reached his potential. I think Cox definitely makes the 53 and gets time in the rotation, but LVN is the clear starter there, IMO.

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Guam's picture

August 24, 2025 at 04:58 pm

I wish I had as much confidence in LVN as you do. I do not believe he has demonstrated he is clearly better than Cox at this point and his career stats certainly are not convincing. Time will tell, but I would not be surprised to see Cox become a starter at some point.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 02:26 am

I think he's right, LVN will start for the first time since HS, just based on what the coaches have done. How many snaps he and Cox get throughout the season will be interesting to watch ...

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 02:24 am

We might be surprised? I hope they both play GREAT!

GPG

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GregC's picture

August 24, 2025 at 05:12 pm

LVN looked great against backups last year in training camp, just as Cox looked great against backups in yesterday's game. This year, LVN has done quite well against starting-caliber players in practice and again in the scrimmage against the Colts. It remains to be seen if he can get it done when the games count, but it looks promising. There was no way for Cox to leapfrog LVN by playing well against backups in a game that LVN didn't even have to play in.

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LambeauPlain's picture

August 25, 2025 at 09:56 am

Agree on Cox, Jr...he's so very effective, and also very efficient during his snaps. He's got a quick twitch to him with speed that he turns into power late in the snap. That strip fumble was an example of his relentless play.

Enagbare, who kind of disappeared last season showed up to TC prepared to get noticed. Good for him...always liked his work ethic.

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MTmind's picture

August 24, 2025 at 09:23 am

The low amount of offensive penalties was refreshing and left me feeling more optimistic. I would rather the team be trending up after a poor start than having the needle move in the other direction heading into week one. The game against the Jets was really terrible, but I’m hoping it’s out of their system now.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:17 am

Agreed. I don't know if momentum from preseason counts, but they've got it. Lots of guys on the bubble played well, making cut downs a difficult choice. That's the player's job, IMHO. It will be interesting to see what they arrive at for a roster ...

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

August 24, 2025 at 09:51 am

Regarding QB3, if it gets to that point, he may not even be on the roster. Last year we didn’t have a QB2 and 2 weeks later Willis was starting (and winning) vs. the Colts. I’m sleeping well these days.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 01:16 pm

Elgersma seems to be worth investing more time in. That doesn’t mean he’d necessarily be the first QB added to the roster on a game day if we knee Love or Willis was out. I think then we’d sign a veteran journeyman at this point.

I don’t think it would be Clifford. 9 of 17 for 44 yards and a long of 11 is not getting it done. It’s not really enough to lead a scout team meaningfully. Elgersma went16 of 23 for 166 yards and one touchdown and an unofficial interception that should count for this purpose by contrast.

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Doug_In_Sandpoint's picture

August 24, 2025 at 09:58 am

Regarding the first game against the Lions, I think a loss would be far more damaging to the morale of the Lions and would enforce the narrative about upheaval and the coaching exits. That could stick in their minds all season. A loss by the Packers would just reinforce the narrative that we start slow every year.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:27 am

The Lions have had a painful preseason. They have not looked good. Of course that means little except that some doubts seem to be creeping in. Their OL depth may be a bigger issue than ours.

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WestCoastPackerBacker's picture

August 24, 2025 at 11:24 am

Yeah they have no backup center behind Glasgow who just got hurt himself. Though he should be ready to go for the opener. They lost one of their best ST players yesterday, probably for the season.

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PackerBackerAZ's picture

August 24, 2025 at 11:32 am

What a Packer loss reinforces is that they still can't beat the good teams. They started slow against every good team they played last season. They play a lot more good teams this year than last. If they're Super Bowl bound, the Packers will need to win several of those games. A Lions loss is the only acceptable outcome for game 1.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:19 am

Mebbe so, but I want to see 4-0 at the bye!

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TheKanataThrilla's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:25 am

While watching the game a fan posted the odds of Matthew Golden winning Offensive Rookie of the year (+1700 which to me was surprisingly high). I rarely gamble, but given he looks like the real deal and WR1 for the Packers, it wouldn't be all that shocking that he puts up some great stats this year.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:21 am

I'm less worried about stats and just hope he plays well without injury.

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Qoojo's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:31 am

It was nice to see them play well yesterday but you can't read too much into these games. Packers D didn't face QB1, and I read another story how the packers 1st string D couldn't stop seahawks true 1st string in the scrimmage, and that was probably due to lack of pressure, vanilla schemes, and no hitting qb. You can kind of get a gauge of where they are at when it's 1st string vs 1st string. Preseason really tells the story of comparative depth.

Predicting regular season success from preseason is like reading tea leaves.

We only got to see the ones in first game vs jets, and they didn't look good. We have not seen anything to update how they have progressed in the preseason. The depth did not show out in the 1st preseason game either, until maybe late.

Injuries are concerning and we have to see who is available for 1st game. They could potentially be missing their starting S, CB, C, and Slot WR. Plus, QB1 could be a bit rusty due to left hand injury.

As far as Sheppard making team as returner, I am not sure because he had two plays where he need to block for WR screen and was pushed back and play was killed.

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Coldworld's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:48 am

Perhaps Shepherd was being looked at for PS reasons after they’d seen enough of Hardman? He’s not on my PS wish list as a WR (Neyor and Hicks ) but it might be a sign a PR might be in their thoughts

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HarryHodag's picture

August 24, 2025 at 10:41 am

The exhibition games are designed to garner more revenue for the owners and give staff a chance to evaluate personnel and little else.

I nearly laughed out loud with the comment about the Packers being the deepest team in the league. How about the Lions, Chiefs or the Eagles, maybe Buffalo?

This has the potential to be a good team, but I want to see them against the Lions before I get too excited.

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marpag1's picture

August 24, 2025 at 04:33 pm

Add the Ravens. Even the Vikings (with the glaring exception of the QB position) could be deeper than the Packers. And the Bucs and the Broncos are in similar spots as MINN.

That said, "deep" doesn't necessarily win you a championship in today's NFL. You need a couple guys who are truly extraordinary.

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GregC's picture

August 24, 2025 at 11:29 am

If they cut Mecole Hardman, maybe they will just give the punt return job back to Jayden Reed. He averaged 1.5 yards less than the league average per return. I can live with that. And in two years of returning punts, I don't ever remember him turning one into an adventure as Hardman did vs. the Jets.

I don't think Abanikanda won the kickoff return job. They probably put him back there because they didn't want to risk having a better player get hurt returning kicks in the preseason. Maybe they will roll with Nixon again when the season starts. Matthew Golden is another possibility, but I would rather have him focus on WR rather than risking injury on such a chaotic play.

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NFLfan's picture

August 24, 2025 at 02:04 pm

Golden and Reed are both too valuable to be used as returners.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:25 am

So is Nixon.

I'd love to see Marshawn Lloyd do that. Hell, we'd all love to see him just take the field at all ...

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barutanseijin's picture

August 25, 2025 at 06:59 am

I’d want to know if Lloyd can hang on to the ball first before he fumbles a punt.

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marpag1's picture

August 24, 2025 at 04:44 pm

I think Hardman played himself out of a job. He never had a chance as a receiver, but he hasn't even looked like an upgrade at returner. That said, I don't want the job going to Reed - first, because I don't want Reed getting banged up, and second, because I don't think he's really that good as a returner.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:26 am

Mecole Hardman has made some big time plays, in big time moments, of big time games.

Is that really all "has been?"

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:24 am

I HATE the idea of using #11 as a returner. He's tough and plays well through injury, but I'd rather have him NOT injured.

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NFLfan's picture

August 24, 2025 at 02:03 pm

I also noted Cox.

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indycar02's picture

August 25, 2025 at 04:16 am

Why were the Packers wearing white for a home game.

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GregC's picture

August 25, 2025 at 06:41 am

Maybe because it was an afternoon game on a warm, sunny day in August. I don't know if they've ever worn white at home, though.

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Qoojo's picture

August 25, 2025 at 10:54 am

google says outside of color rush crap that they wore white at home in 1989 for first 2 games, and 2022 titans thurs night game

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