My related problem is the end goal was a fail onoffense. All you really want to do in the preseason is evaluate players. Maybe get some timing, but starters play so little now that I think that ship sailed years ago. On defense, it wasn’t great but I think the evaluation goal was achieved. On offense though, it was such a mess I am not sure you can make many conclusions on players . Monk bad. Fifth RB was interesting. And….. no idea. Waste of half of a game for me.

They played and looked like they were the youngest team in the NFL. Coaches will be busy this week they have so much to correct.

Sorry LH, but apples and oranges on the center comparison. Monk isn't the starting center and the proper comparison is Jenkins versus Myers. Monk probably won't make the team if he has more performances like last night.

Meyers was one of the worst starting centers in the NFL in his time as a pro so far.

Comparing Meyers to a player who has never logged a meaningful snap in a regular season NFL game doesn't change what Josh Meyers has been- which is a sub-par starter in the NFL.

Others being worse doesn't make him any better.

Myers was every bit as bad as some paint him. Thus, he got a lousy $2 million as a free agent, so I'd say the other teams knew he was lousy as well.

It's not about the final score, it's that our starters couldn't move the ball and kept dropping passes.

Right. This is your annual reminder that you play how you practice.

If that display last night is what preparation looks like from a "top 5 Coach" after several weeks of practice and setting up team culture, identity and good habits...I can guarantee the players are not going to forget it.

Poor performance creates doubt. Two weeks left to do a 180. I hope LaFleur doesn't back into the regular season like he backed in to the playoffs in January.

In order to beat detroit or anyone else you have to pass the ball to the receiver and said receiver has to have mind in game and be able to catch the ball. Of course LeFluer says thats not a problem since we will run the ball most of the time to keep our crap defense off the field.

Big huge… IF!!… IF they play like this… gonna be smoke-city!!! And nd on Packers side!!… :-(

I saw the same play with Wooden getting pushed aside, but I do think he redeemed himself with his play later on. Overall Wooden had a pretty good game. I think the author was right that the second string DL played pretty well.

Agreed on Hardman. If your calling card is as a veteran punt returner and you make bonehead plays like that, you are not long for the roster.

let's hope so. I will never get over this growing trend of making fair catches at the 5. how stupid can you be?

It is most concerning that the defense looked like a mirror image of Joe Barry's defenses of a few years back. The Jets ability to gash the D line and their receivers looking like they owned the middle of the field brings one to question whether the scheme is even close to being viable.

What is more tried and true Packers, the open middle of the field on defense or the crappy Special Teams play?

I am with you, Matt! Packers played zone most of the time and despite numerous slant patterns, never seemed to correct coverage, albeit without most of our secondary starters. But still, did we coach to make adjustments? I really do not know.

Even more so, our vaunted linebacker corp would drop in the zone and watch an opposing player wide-open underneath, receiving a pass, and THEN break to cover. I agree with earlier comments that as a coach you want to build confidence. To me that means you set expectations and PREPARE your players for certain plays vs. letting them figure it out....Yes, even in pre-season, because your opportunities to do so, are limited!

Thank you...right on, right on, right on...

It seems Hafley was trying to fit square pegs into round holes with his LB corps and play read and react zone with his DL doing the disrupting.

I still believe the DL will be better than advertised...until then, do some disguised pressures and stick more closely to the route runners.

Simmons isn't going to help in the soft zone, it seems. His poor instincts are even more exposed. The other Isaiah, McDuffie, has the quickness of semi tractor. Walker has never been a cover LB. And asking Cooper to do it is an absolute waste of his read, react, and hot red missile attack to the ball carrier.

If Hafley was looking for answers in this game...can my LBs patrol and control the middle in the passing game...he has his answer.

The LB core is very good patrolling and controlling the LOS on run plays...and rushing the passer. For now, that should do.

Yeah LP, just another game where the Packers came out looking flat and uninspired. This seems to happen with some regularity under LaFleur. Fortunately this one doesn't count but it has also happened when they do count.

Teams often take on the personality of their head coach (see: Dan Campbell and the Lions) and the Packers all too often seem to reflect LaFleur's calm, intellectual demeanor. I think there is fire inside LaFleur, I just wish he would let it out once and awhile. The team needs to see some passion and fire from him. Leadership isn't always about calmly pointing in the right direction.

The adage - a team is a reflection of its coach - seemed applicable for this game. Both for the Packers and Jets alike.

To look at a preseason game and complain about game planning is just plain silly. This game isn't what they prepare for. Winning isn't the purpose of the game, it isn't the 2nd purpose. They had play calls in there you would never see in a regular season. They do this to see how the talent responds to certain situations. On the first 3rd and 5 they had the ends dropping back in coverage, they would never do that in a real game. Relax.

Amar Johnson might make this team, but only if Lloyd isn’t healthy. That may not be wise, but that’s the reality, unless that is we start looking at potential over LaFleur’s security blanket tendencies.

Last night saw why it’s nuts to not keep Wilson, without him and Jacobs the between the tackles game falls apart. Brooks is a luxury but he’s not going to do what they do, and last night clearly showed that our O can’t afford not to have that dimension. Brooks is not getting outside the tackles.

Good guys don’t always represent winning choices in football. Being able to do it is what matters. If we keep 4 backs, it may need to be Jacobs/Wilson and Lloyd/Johnson. That’s how you win. Always have weapons at skill positions that can make a difference not merely perform reliably.

Amar Johnson was the ONLY positive of the night. If he keeps this up he should be the #2 backup RB. Of course if Lloyd ever gets healthy he may have something to say about that. It only took a few plays to see that Johnson is a real playmaker. Think of what he could do if we actually had a good offensive line. We didn't last night.

Go back and look at the o-line during Johnson's two big runs. Both runs were to the right, and amounted to Monk (c), Hill (rg) and Belton (rt) blocks. Jacob Monk had a couple of bad plays which I will speak to shortly, but it was not ALL bad. In fact, I will argue those runs, late, by Johnson, were set-up by text book blocks by Monk. His run blocking was fine and he should not have been called for one holding call. Another was debatable, as well. Yet, a pass play play holding call was legit, and Monk's play on the sack however, was poor awareness and foot-speed. Still, he was not the culprit for the Packers poor play on O.

Meanwhile, Engabare was clearly held at least twice, King on another, and Brooks on another. Last, Myers and Tippman both played for the Jets. How many of you heard Myers name called out for missing a block, or our D-line taking advantage of him? Be honest.

Stock, are you possibly "Guten Intolerant"?

Now, right around Christmas time...you should come out with some of your thoughts. Letz call it Stockings.

What cha think?,

Pantz

*With all this gosh darn humidity in the air, we should come out with this lil' gem:

Game Balls, Lame Calls and Schweddy Balls (for the coveted all-out hustle award)

I read a draft guide a few years ago that said Tom was a center, therefore Tom needs to be a center so that reality aligns with holy writ, i.e., some draft guide.

Stockholder, Tom just signed an 88 Million Dollar Contract and he is a solid offensive tackle. That is a premium position and while you are likely correct in that Tom would make a terrific center, he is too valuable at the right tackle position to use as a center.

Been saying it for years they need a new GM.

I respect your opinion.

I mean, it's horribly wrong, but I respect it.

calm down

Yes we know so much about Glen ability to prepare a team because of one preseason game? OK.

Ya and the Jets should have looked and played a little confused since they started t camp same day we did and they have all new coaches and yet they looked polished and the packers looked lost.

And yet they could not execute even the most vanilla plays. That’s the point. They were not prepared or able to execute the most basic calls efficiently.

Effort, fundamentals and technique need to be apparent in every game. This team was as unprepared to play as any team I can remember. Saying the performance doesn't count because it's preseason is the poorest of excuses. The coaches need to take a hard look at themselves for having the players unprepared to play. That is the crux of the matter. The team wasn't ready to play and that is very troubling.

Ya, those mental mistakes and physical skills were way out of whack IMO at this stage of the game. I saw other games with b teams being used and they looked way more polished then what was shown last night.

And you are "D" team.

Is anyone going to want Doubs? The concussions and the suspension are common knowledge. I figure they’ll have to cut him.

Wearing a guardian cap during a game is akin to a buyer beware notice. It will probably disuade any or all interest in Doubs.

When the offense biggest problem is drops, why consider trading the one WR that has the best hands and doesn't body catch the ball and is your QB's go to guy, that makes no sense. Golden may challenge for best hands going forward but he has not done it yet in the regular season or in the playoffs where Doubs has shined.

STB, please don't exaggerate so much. If you are referring to 2004, it was only a 4th and 26 conversion. 🫣

Keeping it real since Epps one-hop TD,

Pantz

I would like to know if it is the league or is it in-house who determines what is considered a drop. We need to be better at catching the ball, but many of those drops were in tight coverage and I agree some looked like good plays by the Jets defense. There was one terrible drop that I can remember which I believe was Heath where he completely lost concentration.

We had 31 passing yards after 3 quarters. Any way you spin that, it was awful. Pretty much our last drive by Taylor Elgersma doubled our passing offense.

1/10 on 3rd down. Was the goal to give Whelan some practice? I don't thinks he needs any.

I thought Kalen King played pretty good albeit against back-ups.

On your point about Simmons:

* He was flat-footed and slow to react often...especially on the screen pass.
* Dibbing your head while tackling is not good form and is something taught NOT to do in Pop Warner....he was not the only one doing this. (If you wish to limit contact drills, are we at least practicing with tackle dummies, and making the players do it right, prior to moving into some other segment of practice?)
*Also taught early in players young careers on defense: ALWAYS turn the play IN to your teammates and swarm to the ball...don't give up the sideline!! He gave up the sideline at least twice.
* On one particular short yardage play, Welch shoots in for the tackle-stop behind the line of scrimmage, while Simmons is again flat footed, eventually blocked two yards off the line of scrimmage.

I've been skeptical of Simmons all along. Ty'Ron Hopper looked good on Saturday night, as he did in the preseason last year, and I would like to see him get into the mix as at least the #4 LB if he can't beat out McDuffie for #3. I'm so sick of hearing about Simmons' 40-yard dash time. Let's get a football player out there.

I haven't completely given up on Simmons. I think it was worth taking a flier on him and seeing if he could master the LB position. He's been trending downward since the pads came on, though, which is no surprise. This experiment may be nearing its conclusion.

How do you account for lack of discipline, poor form, bad footwork?
These players and their coaches disrespected fans and Lambeau field.

Don't worry, Bisaccia will rectify that-not.

Plus I think the ball had back spin

"Engabare -"

Not a star, but the kind of workmanlike DE that every team needs on its depth chart.

"Fitzpatrick with some decent blocking"

He seemed to function well as a dump-off/outlet in the passing game, too. I thought he was a bright spot.

"Jordan Morgan looked better, but getting pushed back to much. Needs to be a little more stout!"

Both he and Belton apparently scored well via PFF.

"I saw very little penetration/disruption from the interior of our defensive line and that includes Stackhouse who seemed slow off the ball on the few pass plays that I saw of him."

You just described the pre-draft scouting report on Stackhouse: big, strong, hard to move off the point of attack, but not quick off the snap or very disruptive in the opponent's backfield.

Maybe...Simmons did not help his cause last night. Welch last least made some plays. And Hopper should get more snaps now.

Had high hopes for Simmons...Hafley says he has him focused on playing LB, not S, hybrid S, Edge, and rush LB.
So far the results are not encouraging.

Agree on keeping Welch, after losing Wilson they need a fundamentally sound and physical tackler for scrimmage and special teams with veteran savvy and he is that guy.

Kristian Welches are a dime a dozen. He's always going to lose out to a LB who can contribute on the defensive depth chart. The only reserve LB who looked that part was Hopper.

Left guard play Better wake up….