You still can't let go of your 12 fandom, can you?

I used to think that the stock you hold is Packer's stock. Now I realize that I am mistaken.

Your love for Rodgers is clear. I do not begrudge you that. However I think that you would be happier moving over to sites that cater to NY Jets' fans. You are obviously not a Packer's fan, you are a Rodgers' fan. Again, nothing wrong with that, I like him too, and wish him luck (except when playing against Packers), however it means that you've become a troll here.

If you're not a troll, maybe you need a deep introspection; come back when you figure things out, we'll welcome you.

Goodbye!

Go Pack Go!

The Packers should have traded Rodgers to the Broncos, who instead gave up a huge amount in players and picks to get Russell Wilson. Was Love ready at that time? Probably not. The Packers probably would have had a couple of rough seasons, with Love showing a lot of improvement in his second season. This speculation is based on what he did last season. Rodgers was unhappy in GB, wanted a much bigger role in choosing personnel, and then wouldn't throw to anyone who hadn't "gained his trust". Which pretty much excluded anyone but Adams in crucial situations. His time had run out, and his ego had outweighed his talent. But he is now the Jets problem, and the Packers biggest problem is how much to pay Love. The structure of the contract will be much more interesting than the actual numbers.

Me too Bearmeat. I'm in the exact same place as you. I'm not so sure I'd take Burrow or Herbert over Love either. Right this second probably. But if Love is that same dude we saw the last 10 games of the season last year, for the entire season this year, then it's a big Hell Yeah, give me Love over Burrow and Herbert too.

Herbert hasn't done squat and Burrow has knees like Joe Nameth. Time will tell but if he's balling out from the start this upcoming season they BEST get him signed!

...Good teams who are well run have THESE kind of problems. Hmmm, when do I pay my AWESOME QB!

I'm with Bearmeat and Nick Perry. That's a rare alignment but I think we're going to have a really good team this year, and we're going to the Super Bowl.

I agree with the talent assessment, and I love the enthusiasm and optimistic prediction for the Superbowl.

I certainly don't think a super bowl appearance or even a win is out of the realm of possibility or any more far fetched a prediction than it would be for any other competitive team who made a playoff push in 2023. With exception to KC and SF, I don't think any team in the NFL held a clear advantage over the late season / playoff Packers team of 2023.

That being said... I still believe there will be 2 hurdles inherent in the Packers 2024 season that could result in them coming up short.

1) The growing pains of adjusting to Jeff Hafley's new staff and scheme.
Yes, we're all hopeful that this will be a change that produces great ROI. That said, it typically takes time for a new scheme to take root and flourish. I also have concerns that we're shifting from 3-4 base to 4-3, as it effectively takes some of our strongest pass rush / line defenders (Gary, P. Smith, etc) and other long-term developmental investments (Enagbare, perhaps LVN) who were picked, built, and tooled for edge defender responsibility primarily as 3-4 OLBs playing the LOS from a 2-point stance, and challenges Hafley to find a fit for them within his 4-3 scheme, probably challenging those edge players to somewhat retool their bodies as well. I do think we'll have long-term success with Hafley and it will be exciting, but 2024 may be a season of growth, learning, and adjustment with the excitement of seeing it start to come together late in the season, but full bloom will most likely be mid 2025. I hope I am pleasantly surprised otherwise.

2) Love will likely throw substantially more picks compared to his amazing run in the second half of 2023.
This is not an indictment of Love's talent- the kid is a straight baller- but watching his amazing laser-precise throws that were becoming common in 2023 down the stretch- throws that exuded confidence in himself, showcased his extreme arm talent when he's settled in, and his ultimate trust in his teammates to make the play- it's impossible for me to assume that type of play is sustainable without more of those balls ending up in incompletions or picks. So many throws lodged into impossibly small windows, literally fractions of an inch from defender's fingertips. Amazing displays of talent and ability, but Love's next step in development will be learning context- when is the right time to take that shot, and when is it prudent to maybe NOT attempt that throw. Unfortunately, that lesson is typically learned the hard way. I would assume 2024 is going to be that season. That's not to say it means he won't have a great year; it's just that while last year was a long, steady ramp up to great play through the last 12 games or so of the year (including playoffs), I see 2024 being more of a roller coaster of highs and lows while Love learns that you can't just continually thread the needle against NFL defenses without having a few get snagged out of the air. There were a number of balls that were so accurate into extremely tight windows last year- balls that are 50/50 balls only because of the ridiculously tight tolerances required to complete them- that were on the money completions, I just have to think we return back to statistical middle ground and see fewer of those completed. Love will still be great, but he will be learning how to manage risk in 2024. I fully expect the nay-sayers to be out with pitchforks at certain points in the year- because they're idiots.

So.. yeah.. I hope neither 1 or 2 are true, but I could see these factors as being the likely stumbling blocks to a SB run in 2024. But I'd be happy to be completely wrong :)

that will never happen Alberta Pack.
it makes too much sense.
QB1 contracts are nonsensical IMHO.
Can't wait till they put some pads on and the roster questions start to answer themselves.
GPG!

Exactly point I was making, hold off for proof, either way.

A shorter contract might seem to make sense, but looking closer........

Love has waited patiently for years. He will be due something in the $50m per year range RIGHT NOW, so I don't expect him to be ok with a short contract.

I also don't expect the Packers to pay max up-front money in a short-contract deal, when they can negotiate a longer deal that ends up cheaper per year overall, with some kind of signing bonus spread over the life of the contract - which gives Love what he wants (money in the bank now and greater financial security) and suits the Packers (the money hit to the cap is spread over several years).

I am expecting something in the region of a 5 year contract to be agreed on.

A 'bridging' contract is a thing when THE PACKERS are not sure whether a big deal will turn out bad. I have seen/heard no signs of doubt coming from anywhere in 1265. They know what they have, will pay him accordingly and have him locked up as their guy for half a decade.

Before the start of last season a bridging deal made some sense and the contract would have been for much less money, but It's way, way too late for that, now both sides have a much clearer idea of what Love is.

My concern is the switch to the running game.
Do you need to pay Love; Goffs money.
When they might take the ball out of his hands.

"who do I think is going to win the most games over the next 5 years? Jordan Love"

We'll see. I suggest the Packers focus getting past the Lions first.

Pretty reasonable list. I would bump Allen up a couple spots and probably Stroud and Hurts too. Hoping to see Love in the top 5 this year. I think he will do it.

I think the AAV is probably pretty well set, and they're trying to figure out how much will be in guarantees.

Editors note: 49er fans in the 90's were insufferable. As they are today.