"It’s hard no to be feeling pretty negative about all things green and gold this week. But I do still want to inject at least a bit of positivity. "

HUH...Sorry, I'm not buying it. The ONLY thing positive that could come from this season is a good old fashioned HOUSE CLEANING at the seasons end. Every O-Linemen has regressed and the ONE O-Linemen we think could help can't get on the field unless it's to block a FG or XP attempt.

I'm thinking Nijman not playing is now a F-You Brian Gutekunst by Matt LaFleur without saying it. These two are like water and oil I think and IMO much more will be revealed later...Once they all get FIRED. Lets hopes it's at the end of 2023 and not 2024. I can't take two more years let alone 11 more games.

Congratulations Green Bay Packers. You've taken the self-proclaimed #1 Packers Homer and turned him into a negative puke!

This season is exposing the Packers braintrust for all to see.

The head coach has no idea to do with his 4th year QB who is in his first season as a starter.

The defensive coordinator has 8 first round picks and 3 high-priced free agents performing like a bottom half of the league unit after facing the likes of Justin Fields, Desmond Ridder, Jimmy Garropolo, and washed Russell Wilson at QB.

The roster has so many holes that fans are arguing with each other over whether the Offensive Line is worse than the receiving group. Fans are also looking at the GM's drafting record and questioning if he is any good at his job or whether he mostly benefitted from the talent he inherited like Bakhtiari, Adams, Aaron Jones, and the former QB whose name dare not be mentioned.

Might be time to put the retirement celebration parade for the man who made it all possible, Mark Murphy, on hold.

After all, there is no guarantee things get any better next season before Murphy finally retires.

"This is looking like a bad matchup for the Packers this weekend, but at this point, what exactly is a good matchup?"

After the Raider and Bronco "Get Right" games you think we'll let a miserable lack luster division opponent get the better of us?

Actually, if they can put an O-line on the field instead of playing 7 on 11, they can beat anyone. Please give these young skills a chance to play.

We're never going to find that happy medium.
Winning is habit. Unfortunately, so is losing.( Vince Lombardi)
The winning Culture is Gone.

It’s time to look at the Smarts of Love.
If he knows the offense that well.
Why the Ints. Why can’t he move the sticks in the 1st half?
Blaming MLF for a poor game plan.
Doesn’t work when your QB has regressed
and the injuries have taken their toll.
We're seeing the game changes in the second half.
Unfortunately they're still coming up short.
And it just adds more gas; to the ," Fire MLF movement."

There is an old saying; A boss is like a diaper,
If they're not on your ass, their full of shit!.
MLF must get on their ass. Change the snap counts.
And get the guys that screw -up, off the field.
If he can’t pull Jordan Love to get him out of his funk.
He deserves to be fired.
Because shit always goes down hill.

I suspect that this team will show some improvement, if only because they can't get much worse.
It will still be an ugly season, but probably not ugly enough to have a shot at a blue chip QB.
So they will use next years draft to restock the Offensive line

But should LaFleur lose the team and it become's obvious that a housecleaning is required.
Promote Murphy out of his current duties. He can spend his last year developing the titletown district and preparing for the 2025 draft . Bring in someone to handle the rest.

Looking for silver linings -

I'm all about the silver linings. I know the narrative right now is not good, but I am all for finding that light in the tunnel.

Wicks - Wicks deservers more playing time. He has shown he is one of the most reliable WR's they have. He has been making big plays almost every time he is on the field. LaFleur acknowledged that he needs to have a bigger role on offense. Hopefully that starts this week.

Wilson - While he didn't get the ball a lot in this game. I finally felt his speed. I feel like he is a guy that they can start using more to try and create some explosive runs.

Tom - Tom was hurt the previous few games. This game he was almost flawless. He was really good again.

Jordan Love - While it may seem odd to put him on here as a silver lining with how the offense has looked, go and listen to some others about his play. What I have seen is that he has actually has been doing the right things. Its just been the players around him that have been struggling. We have WR's running the wrong routes, the OL not being able to hold blocks. While Love hasn't been perfect he has been making a lot of good decisions. He has made some great throws but unfortunately hasn't been helped out by his WR's. He made 2 great throws to Doubs. One down field that Doubs dropped, another on the TD pass to Reed that ricocheted off Doubs hands. that was a great play by Love as he had to adjust his arm angle because of a DE . That ball slightly behind Doubs, but Doubs has to bring that in.

Sound advice for the moment, Tim, but if things play out the way I expect on Sunday and we see throngs of purple-clad numbskulls doing their silly little overhead clap in Lambeau, my patience will be exhausted.

At this point, I'm trying my best to acknowledge my ignorance of what is and isn't happening with the Green Bay Packers. I respect the hell out of Dusty, and he sees "a well-designed, meticulously crafted offense" missing "the pieces capable of running it like it needs to be run." I think it's way too soon to give up on Jordan Love.

I wish I felt hopeful, or could hang onto something this coaching staff is doing well. Right now, I can't see it. There's no leadership on the field, or on the sideline.

LaFleur isn’t new. He’s in his 5th year. We blew every post season being out coached when it mattered and repeating similar failed tactics. Last year he had a terrible O design. This year I’m not clear if he has one at all. The one constant is the same types of errors we have seen throughout his tenure.

His player usage has been baffling, his coaches at best tenuously adequate and he can’t seem to impose a coherent vision on them either. Thus year, without Rodgers, there is no smokescreen to blur responsibility. This team is an incoherent mess on O and the D is more of the same at best.

I don’t know how one judges Love or the young players. Does anyone seriously think Rodgers would be tearing it up with this OL? I’d lay a bet Walker wouldn’t be playing, Nijman would and Tom would be at C.

Rodgers was no longer affordable, but as time passes it looks more and more credible that Rodgers was mitigating LaFleur’s incompetence. I recall him coming out and demanding changes to the O last year because he saw it as so impotent.

The degree to which LaFleur has been exposed has been staggering. I don’t think even his doubters like me understood how inept he is individually and as a manager. No, there no sense in denying the ever accumulating evidence that this coaching regime is totally out of its depth from bottom to top. The sooner we clear that out, the sooner we can assess the roster and actually start getting more from it.

Once something is obviously broken, delaying addressing it won’t make things anything other than worse or help identify other problems accurately. We need to clear out LaFleur and his hires en masse. Only then can we start moving ahead and seeing what we have.

Tim, the thing that just passes me off the most is the assistant coaches have done nothing to coach & develop this team.
This is a young & very coachable team. Not a bunch of vets set in their ways.
There are some potential All Pro players & they deserve NFL coaching & a chance to their full potential.

We have been treated to decades of winning football featuring HOF QBs so this bad version of the Packers is particularly hard to take. The builders of those teams Wolf/Holmgren and Thompson/McCarthy were good partners. For me, the GM is the architect who fashions the team through their selection of the type of components that they think a good football team must have. His coach is the contractor that puts the pieces into play. I can say that Brian Gutekunst is a GM that I would not want building my team. Where he took us with Rodgers and what he left Love to start with is not a plan for success. To cap it all off, we have one of the weakest coaching staffs that I can remember. No architect and no builder.

Makes think, last year, with AR changing MFL play calling at the line, NOW may have been a GOOD thing.

Sunday I caught myself growing increasingly frustrated with the performance, and then my wife reminded me I had expressed the need for patience at the beginning of the season. So, to keep my sanity, I resolved to withhold judgement until we get to towards the end of the year. The inconsistency of the OL has been a root cause of the offense's lack of success. We were all expecting the starting 5 to include Bahk and Jenkins playing close to their previous effectiveness and that didn't, and won't happen this season. We have to remember these young receivers and TE's are still ramping up against NFL defenses. I do wonder if MLF is in a little over his head, but we have to remember, he had a HOF QB, albeit a petulant little shit at times, to lean upon up until this year. Their best weapon, Jones has been only a hundred percent and available for a little over 3 quarters of one game.

Yep, it will probably be a pretty ugly year record wise, but if anyone had false hopes of winning the division or making the playoffs after the first 2 or 3 games, they really only have themselves to blame. This team will take a year on the field and in the weight room to get back to being consistently competitive. Let's practice some patience.

I'm mostly a go-with-the-flow kind of guy and like to think I have mostly been even keeled over this team's performance this season--mostly in a "what did we realistically expect?" kind of place.

Realistically, I didn't expect to see so many soft-tissue injuries--and nagging injuries that don't seem to get better (ahem, Aaron Jones) to key players. This team was going to have to battle to be a .500 club this year and had a chance with that kind of performance to be a playoff team. This has turned out to be a ship taking on water.

Realistically, I expected better from the OL. The way they managed 69's contract this off-season, it sure looked like they expected him to be able to play meaningful time making this--on paper--a pretty solid unit. In retrospect, they knew in camp that they weren't going to get much from him based on how they went heavy on OT prospects at cutdowns. This might be the most disappointing unit on the roster, but usage has also been disappointing (Walker, Tom, etc.). Myers was a DNP on Wednesday, so the Packers might be forced into a different alignment this week, but likely mostly with players who are familiar with their positions.

Realistically, Jordan Love has been about what you'd expect--up and down. On the whole, I don't think we'd be surprised at what he's done to this stage just looking at his stat line. How that has fallen out (a couple good games early, struggling more lately) isn't terribly surprising either as teams get film on him and game plan for how the Packers use him. That said, the inability of the Packers offensive to game-plan to give Love more to work with has been mind boggling. The lack of help in dumb penalties and fundamental mistakes from his supporting cast has been problematic. If the supporting cast is good, you don't need an MVP QB to win games.

Realistically, I expected better from the receiver group. Watson has struggled with injuries and hasn't developed as we'd hoped. Romeo Doubs has had his moments but has disappeared for long stretches. Usage has been an issue here, too, with guys like Musgrave (now injured) running a lot of Richard Rodgers routes and a failure to expand on the roles of guys like Jayden Reed in motion or Kraft/Sims as blockers.

Realistically, the defense has been about what we expected. Statistically meh...just enough to keep games within reach, but not really growing based on the talent they have or being used in a way that allows them to play to their talent levels. They needed this defense to be more (and we're hearing more of the "win with defense" mantra coming from guys like Douglas and Alexander, now)...but we didn't expect that. Injuries are beginning to really take their toll here, too, and a frightfully thin DB group has gotten thinner.

Around the NFC North...
The Bears aren't sitting back on defense as much. They're attacking more with their front 7 and relying on their DBs to play. It's working for them against guys like Hoyer and Howell. I think Justin Herbert and the Chargers will hang a 40 burger on them this week.

The Lions finally played someone who landed the first punch...outdoors. They looked bad, even though they had a fantasy week--their key position players (St. Brown and Gibbs) were statistically good even though the team didn't show. They'll take out their frustrations at home against Vegas this week, but maybe the Ravens showed some things that other teams can use against the Lions.

The Vikes did their damnedest to give that MNF game back to a beat up Niners team. They're lookiing like a team that will struggle to get out of their own way all season long. Maybe they'll win enough to get a WC.

Packers-Vikings
This game is outside and on grass, which tends to work against the Vikes. The Packers get a familiar opponent that they've had some success against. Vikings don't really try to run the ball very much (dead last in run rate) at just over 30%. Cousins doesn't tend to hold the ball very long, so it will be all about the ability of the defense to cover the short, quick stuff and make Cousins wait. Packers need to attack the Vikings secondary--even though they blitz a lot, that blitz doesn't get home very much.
Vikings 24, Packers 17

Patience is key. It’s easy for people sitting at home to keep calling for benching and firing everyone, but that’s not how the Packers roll and based on the unprecedented position they’re all currently in they deserve at the very least one full season before we judge too much. Lafluer has been the biggest disappointment this season for me, but he deserves a chance to dig the team out of their rut and make some progress during the rest of the 11 games. This is a team that has been on the decline for a couple of years, and now that basically every veteran on the offense is gone besides the running backs, one of which has hardly played, all the issues that have been mounting for a few seasons have burst forth like a volcano. This year was supposed to be about developing and evaluating Jordan Love, and it still is; but, now I think it’s also a referendum on Matt Lafluer. Can Matt pull his team out of the depths that it’s fallen under his own watch? That remains to be seen. Remember last season when GB scored 9 points against a Lions team that was still ranked as having the worst defense in the NFL? Yeah, that was with an Aaron Rodgers led offense. Matt hasn’t been pushing this team in a positive direction for a while now, and he obviously hasn’t found any answers yet. He still deserves our patience, and Jordan Love definitely deserves patience from the fans. Many didn’t think so over the summer, but Love has basically been set up to fail this year, not to take away from his poor play, he just doesn’t have anyone or anything to lean on so far. Let’s hope Matt gets the team ready for Minnesota. Ready before the second half!

Thanks, Tim. This is a good article for us suffering fans. After reading this article and thinking about it, I have to agree that there is not much we can do about the coaches until the end of this long season. If GB were not a non-for-profit organization, I suspect most of these coaches would be looking for jobs at the end of the season. But accountability is another story.

I love the youth and skill set of this young team. And I won't throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to Love. If Steno can get his head out of his butt and play his 5 best, then I can at least eliminate one key variable of Love's performance. Why Steno prefers Walker over Yosh maybe comes down to just plain stubbornness? And if that is the reason, well, Steno should update his resume.

I get the venting because the Packer fans as loyal as they are just haven't been exposed to so many issues on both sides of the football and the organizations explanations in regards to addressing them which are pretty much word for word after each poor performance. The top issue of course is a new starting QB, check out this sobering statistic in that regard and let it sink in;

Getting younger on offense makes sense. This group can grow together with their quarterback. It's a great idea, in theory. But Gutekunst took it too far. ESPN's Bill Barnwell noted that Green Bay's offense could feature the "least-experienced passing attack in modern league history."

According to Barnwell, the average age of Packers receivers and tight ends is 23.4. Since 1990, only the 0-16 Cleveland Browns had a younger group.

I hear a lot of use Aaron Jones more. I don’t see a guy that can be an every down back. I see and have always seen an often injured and a guy who hasn’t been playing or playing well in big games. I wish we had drafted replacements for him and used him as a Tony Fischer clone. He would have been a highly useful gadget third down change of pace to a Johnathan Taylor who we could have drafted. I know the focus will be offensive and defensive line, but it looks like safety and corner is gonna be huge as well as looking for coaches. Next year could be a blow it up and start over if this train keeps going off the rails.

I am serious in what I am about to say. This Packer team will NOT win another game this season! They will finish 2-15.
That will put them right near the front of the line for 2024's NFL Draft. I hope they take Maye from NC.
This team is TERRIBLE! Lafleur was living off of Rodgers....nothing more! Just the fact that he hired Joe Barry proves he is incompetent. Go look at Barrys career DC record.... WOW!!!!

Bucks will win it all this year!

NO coach or QB or “offense” could be even slightly successful with this level of offensive line play. It looked good on paper going in, but has been decimated by injuries.

Additionally, in the past, we’ve slowly added a rookie WR or TE to the offense, because it’s HARD to play those positions without a couple years of experience in the NFL. Our ENTIRE WR TE corps is essentially rookies.

Really, it’s that simple.

Defensively, no Jaire or Campbell— our two All-Pros.
We all expected a penetrating defense this year, but that requires trust in your corners and ILBs—which we’re gutted by the injuries.

As far as Nijman, I’m not going to judge the coaching decisions, because I don’t see practices. Maybe he is making a lot of mistakes.

I just miss seeing that *poot* guy in here after a game. Poor guy must be looking puffier than "food allergy guy" in a losing fight against anaphylactic shock. There's one finger you should pull only in a controlled environment. Shit almighty!!

Thanks for the cautionary words Tim. I've been frequenting this site much less lately because there is so much anger here. Fans have plenty of legitimate concerns about the coaching staff and the team as a whole, but I quickly get tired of "fire the coach" talk even when it is well thought-out. As bad as it's looked during the last three games, I don't want to think about things that way until much later in the season.

Pete Dougherty over at packersnews.com has been reminding fans that one year ago, the Lions were playing badly, and their coach was not looking very smart, but things have changed a lot since then. That doesn't mean the same thing will happen with the Packers (and it's still too early to be sure that the Lions are going to amount to much anyway), but it is good to keep in mind that things can turn around quickly in the NFL. Sometimes there are good things happening behind the scenes that do not pay off until later.

The putrid offense has of course been the biggest disappointment. The best I can say about it is that an NFL offense is a complicated thing with a lot of moving parts, and if several of those parts are malfunctioning, the whole thing can grind to a halt. That can happen when key players get injured.

Overall, I am very discouraged like most fans but still waiting to see how things play out this season. I think we need to drop the mentality that the next game is the one where the team needs to prove itself. The reality is that they may have a few more bad games but still end the season on an up note. I wouldn't say that's likely, but it's possible. Things like that happen in the NFL all the time.

I can't dispute where The Pack are at the moment - they're bad and, relative to the opponents on their now increasingly difficult schedule, regressing. But I'm not as down on the team's long-term future as many are. In fact, I think I'm pretty bullish about next season, provided some coaching changes are made.

The defense needs to get healthy and get better coaching & scheming. Too much soft coverage, giving up easy first downs. Too much of nickel and dime packages in obvious or high probability running situations. The talent on the roster should be producing better results. Agreed - Joe Barry must go.

But I believe the offense's development is as near to 'on schedule' as I could have expected. Key injuries at RB and LT and generally poor OL play has produced a disappointingly 30th-ranked rushing attack. Given that and the vast amounts of inexperience across the board at QB, WR and TE, why would anyone expect anything more than a hot mess in passing after 6 games? Love is so far at 10 TDs, 7 INTs, 57.5% completions for a rating of 79.4. Sure, not great, but let me argue it's not so bad when you compare his numbers to Rodgers' and Favre's first years and consider the experience and competence of the players they had around them versus what Love currently has. We need to set more realistic expectations on Love and the passing attack in general. Give these guys time to learn and develop.

These are rather alarming stat's from Packers Central...yikes..
After opening with back-to-back games of three touchdowns, zero interceptions and 110-plus passer ratings, Love among 32 qualifying quarterbacks ranks 32nd in completion percentage, 28th in passer rating and interception percentage, and 24th in yards per attempt.
Through Week 7, there have been:
- 45 games of 300-plus passing yards by 25 quarterbacks on 25 teams.
- 32 games of 100-plus rushing yards by 21 running backs on 19 teams.
- 73 games of 100-plus receiving yards by 28 receivers on 25 teams.
That’s 150 games of 300/100/100, or almost five per team. The Packers have zero.
So being young and injuries the explanation for such dismal stats??? Coaching and players?? A combination? No matter...its not pretty...

What is so sacrosanct about 2025? Why can't Murphy be ousted in 2024? (Along with Gute, MLF, Barry & Co).
He is not the owner and his crew is becoming a national laughingstock.
I would call an emergency board meeting and insist on the reinstatement of pre-Murphy bylaws before hiring anew. Nothing will change
unless checks & balances are restored.
An owner wouldn't allow this type of money-wasting on under-performing first round picks, lazy coaching, lack of steady improvement.
These men, none of whom are held to reasonable account, are causing a publicly-held team to hemorrhage money & reputation.

These conversations were happening last year. Green Bay waits too long to fire coaches, bench under-performing players, admit to poor draft choices.

For example, the Jets are already shopping Dalvin Cook after 2 months. (not 2 years)
I also wonder how 'injured' some of the vets really are.

Sorry, Mr. Backes, but I vehemently disagree with the theme of your opinion piece. To say we can't or shouldn't be passing judgement on anyone on the team is nonsense. LaFleur has shown, throughout his tenure, that he has one game plan. When the opposition solves it almost immediately, he has no Plan B. It's just do more of the same, and hope it gets better. Also, remember how sure we all were that it was Rodgers who was changing the play to long passes at unusual times in the game? Now, with Love as the starter, it seems it was LaFleur all along. I'm not the type to panic prematurely; however, when the coach retains an obviously incompetent DC; when he refuses to put the best OL on the field, and, when even you agree:

"Matt LaFleur is putting together bad game plans, and continues to put forth the same sort of empty platitudes we’ve come to expect when this team performs poorly. His offense just struggled against a historically bad defense. Yikes."

Why should we have no opinions, again? We all see what is going on. Stenavich was a terrific OL coach, but is terrible as an OC. Butkus, his replacement, has a sterling name, but apparently no skill to develop or fix players who are starting to slump. This team is soft, rudderless and clueless. If the WR's are running bad routes, why? Who is holding them accountable, or trying to coach them up? This entire coaching staff, with the exception of Bisaccia, seems to be prime examples of the Peter principle: being promoted to a level you are not able to handle.

You can count me among the people saying LaFleur should go. The reason is that most of the problems we are seeing are coaching issues. The mistakes by the offensive line...those are all coachable fixes. The horrendous blocking by Deguara...coachable fix. Bad routes by receivers...coachable fix. I heard him say there was an issue with unscouted looks confusing the young WRs. And who has the job of scouting the looks and preparing the players? That would be the coaches. All the hamstring injuries...those are conditioning injuries and that falls back mostly on the strength and conditioning coaches (so says my old CSCS cert and 20+ years in strength sports), although it could also be the other coaches not listening to the S&C coaches...but that still lays it at the coaches' feet.

Vikings by 17 might be generous. But if it is 17 then it is 20-3. The only interesting bet in this game is do the Packers score in the first half. I say no

This and That submission (Colorful Sports Nicknames):
"Mad Dog" Vachon or Bernie "Boom Boom" Geoffrion
Darryl "Chocolate Thunder" Dawkins or Frank "The Big Hurt" Thomas
Dick "Night Train" Lane or Leroy "Satchel" Paige
"Phi Slama Jama" or "The Dream Team"

I only see one silver lining. The most dominating offensive lineman I have seen on film this year is Caleb Jones. Evidently management has not seen the videos. He literally pounds the defensive linemen either into the ground or 5 yards down the field. It is absolutely stunning that MLF has not found a way of putting him on one of the most porous offensive lines in the NFL.

The defense is just as bad as the offense. The D allows bad NFL offenses to build double digit leads in the first halves.

Then, seemingly energized for the early second half, allows a brief window for the offense to begin functioning and make the game competitive again.

Finally, when there is a chance to atone for earlier sins with a defensive stand, they fall apart again at the worst time.

With all of the high investment in draft capital allotted to defense, the return on investment has been abysmal.

The common thread between offensive and defensive ineptitude is coaching. Players are repeatedly out of position, assignments are misunderstood, and physical responsibilities (I e. blocking and tackling) are botched.

Despite the repeated errors and failures, players do not improve. Poor performers are not replaced. This demonstrates lack of accountability, lack of discipline, or inability to make difficult personnel decisions by the coaching staff. Perhaps all three.

Bisaccia took over mid-season for the Raiders and made it to the playoffs. If they made a mid-season coaching change, it might jump start this team and get them playing competitive football.

With the inexperience on offense, playoff expectations are not realistic, but competency and consistency are achievable.

Physical mistakes will happen, but mental errors are correctable. Most should not reoccur, but with this coaching staff, they happen over and over. It's just bad coaching.

Slow-moving car accident.

I've been a loyal Packers fan since the early 1970's so the undercurrent from some fans to fire everybody has been played out many times over the years. Some of the rhetoric has been justifiable, some not so much.

First, I think it's far too early to make any judgements on Love. Regardless of his being in the league for 3 years, what matters is the amount of playing time he's had on the field. He simply hasn't played enough to this point to make any type of conclusion. We've all seen the comparisons to Favre, Rodgers, Manning, Aikman etc...they all started off terribly and ultimately corrected. We'll see about this with Love but he needs to get thru this first season.

The biggest concern, IMO, is the position Love has been placed in by this coaching staff and front office. The youth and lack of experience from our WR/TEs is crippling the offensive production and Love's development. This decision on going so young comes from the GM. Add to this dilemma, MLF's play calling/design that ask too much from these rookies who are trying to learn how to play at a professional level. His inability to simplify his plan so it will help slow down the game for these young players is baffling. His horrendous first half production puts this young team in a hole that gets increasingly harder to pull out of. The OL requires immediate attention, yet they seem to trot the same defective lineup in for every game making no adjustments during or after the game. We have high draft picks and million dollar experienced OL players that never see the field. No explanation as to why. This is all on MLF.

One final concern that I have with MLF is that there seems to be a recurring theme with these issues. The same problems happen and they just don't seem to EVER be "cleaned up". I looked back at an article (see the link) from MLF's days as the OC of the Titans.....sure seems like the same problems the Titans fans were talking about in 2018 are the same ones were seeing today..... MLF should have learned from his past experiences but that doesn't appear to be the case....this sends up alarms....

https://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2018/11/27/18114320/im-not-out-on-matt...

Bottom line, I think every Packers fan wants MLF to succeed. Of course, I do too... but injuries aside, many of the issues coming from this team fall on MLF and his staff. Someone needs to tell MLF and his staff what Coach Lombardi once told his players, "If you aren't fired with enthusiasm, you'll be fired with enthusiasm!" We need this staff to develop this talent and turn this team around. We need to see improvement every week, on every level from both sides of the ball. That's not a lofty expectation from a fan....that's the HC's job.....and he needs to do it better.