"Let the hate flow through you"

LOL, this draft is blowing our minds. Clearly MLF and Gute value different things than Todd McShay tells us to value.

All I know is MLF led what I thought was an 8-8 team to 13-3 and the NFC Championship game. Some of you all said this was a 6-10 team and I didn't argue it. MLF has a big ass smile on his face for each pick.

So even though I never saw this coming it's what MLF wants.

Dear Mr Nagler,

It is inflammatory to declare that the negative reaction to the Packers' "unexpected" (the most charitable term one could use) draft picks in the first three rounds is a manifestation of blind hatred. The public outcry is fueled largely by the very rational and very justified shock at NOT choosing WRs, ILBs, or OTs which were the most obvious needs to not just fans but to well-informed and serious NFL analysts. Whether it's Tony Dungy or Jay Glazer, NFL pundits have by an overwhelming majority slated the Packers' picks - especially the absurd decision to draft Jordan Love (and trading away a fourth round pick to move up to take him) with the Packers' first pick. It is not "hate" and the need to vent our collective coronavirus cabin fever angst which drives Packer Nation (by and large, judging by social media reaction) to condemn Gutekunst for creating an additional source of friction between management and Aaron Rodgers, but the utter lack of comprehension at the decision to begin the transition process when Rodgers has three years (and an option year) remaining on his contract.

Further, the Pack is coming off a 13-3 season and a victory over the Seahawks in the divisional playoffs, a record NO ONE expected. Though Rodgers is not the QB he was five years ago, and it seems faulty mechanics possibly owing to repeated injuries may be partially to blame for his statistical decline, he is still a very effective and highly skilled QB that 90% of NFL teams would die to have. (I am sure New England would love to trade for AR and Bellicheck would find some elite WRs to weaponise the Patriots' passing attack with Rodgers at the helm!!!)
Moreover, the Pack went 4-12 in the season prior to the drafting of Rodgers and Favre was already hinting at retirement, so the context in which the Packers chose AR that year is very different from the context in which Love has been selected as the heir apparent.

Therefore, Packer Nation has considerable rational justification for criticising the draft picks not merely because they defy expectations but because they lack sound judgement. It is not because of a blind, irrational need to vent hatred that the Packers' fan base (although it is hard to assess the actual numbers pro and con unless someone collects poll data from actual tweets and posts which are admittedly statistically invalid) is furious at Gutekunst and his seeming neglect of what were widely seen as serious deficiencies on the roster - i.e. WR and ILB.

CHTV fans in particular may well be surprised at your equanimity in the face of this bizarro world draft. Simply saying that "no one knows anything" (a la William Goldman with reference to the movie industry) is a platitude rather than a coherent response. There is a probabilistic basis for choosing certain players who fill specific positions on a roster. If there seems to be a lack of elite receivers to complement Davante Adams, then there is a logical basis to choose a WR in the draft to fill that need. The same applies to the ILB position which you yourself have maintained is a long term weakness and seeming blindspot in the organisation.

So why are you playing possum and not embracing at least some of the collective puzzlement and grief over Love et al? Many of us regard you as our unofficial spokesman - that is why we are tuning in to CHTV and your ExtraCheese broadcasts. It seems you are trying to find reasons to rationalise the Gute horror draft 3.0 instead of criticising his choices or at the very least giving credit to Packer Nation for our collective lack of comprehension over these three appalling picks.

You have, however, been correct in your assessment that the selection of the Dillon and Deguara reflect the ongoing philosophical transition away from the McCarthy era spread offence to Lafleur's Shanahan hybrid play action variation. But even if we accept this new strategic paradigm, choosing Love does not fit into this scheme. The Packers still need an elite No. 2 WR. The Packers still need help at OT or ILB. With all due respect, you seem to be ignoring these issues or at least would rather not attack Gutekunst and simply accept his draft strategy as a fait accompli.

In the end, we have more important things to worry about, of course. But in terms of allowing ourselves to enjoy the distraction of throwing ourselves into the football sub-universe and the Packers microcosm, we need to be more forthright, less opaque, and at least address the palpable gloom in the room. Remember that we rely on you to at the very least channel some of our grief, sift through the evidence, and give your preliminary verdict on Gutekunst's turn to the dark side.

Go Pack Go!

Just quit this team. Bye. Don't miss us. Night

Honestly, no hate from me. I'm starting to "see it" more and more. In it's philosophy, it's sound. The only question that remains - obviously - is whether or not these picks will fulfill their expectations.

Actually, I kind of like it.

I was hoping we'd pick up some missing pieces this offseason to get past the Niners. That didn't happen, unfortunately.

This is going to be an interesting situation monitoring Rodgers mood with regard to the Packers eagerly trading up for his replacement, rather than supply him with more talent, in the first round . I hope this development doesn't effect the locker room .

PS; what is a Super chat and why must it be repeated constantly?

It is hard work to got into a historically strong WR draft with a screaming need for a WR and not get a WR before #175 overall . But Gute has positioned himself nicely to do that.

Wait, did I say "hard work"? I meant epic incompetence.

It has been said in here over and over last year, that AR was ignoring open receivers. Coaches watch film and maybe its true. When Devante got hurt, the ball did get spread around and this team didn't fold. This is our receiving corp for now.
Davante Adams
Devin Funchess
Eq St. Brown
MVS
Allen Lazard
Jake Kumero
Malik Taylor
Reggie Begelton
Darrius Shepherd
Who is the true number 2 ?

Actually, Gute just acknowledged what we all know deep down, this team is a paper tiger, a bunch of pretenders that over-achieved last year but have no chance to get to the show in the next few years. So he’s planning for the future.

Absolutely a bust of a draft , Gute is a failure , Packers defense to be lead by Oren Burks and maybe fill in with some un drafted nobodies. But sugar coat it CheeseheadTV.

Run more, pass less. Some of you are slow to catch on.

I get all the issues with wanting a wr out of the draft. But realistically Rodgers wouldn’t throw to him anyway. It takes several years to get Rodgers “trust.” I also see some veterans becoming available, which actually could provide more instant production than a rookie. You draft what you feel are the best football players with the Draft. It’s not a waiver wire.

I do like the physicality of our 2nd and 3rd rounders. They are both strong and powerful...more like bruts and we need some of that. Day 3 should be interesting.

BG is making Ted Thompson look very good right about now

Some things to think about.
1. The Packers did not have an adequate back-up QB until this draft. Most teams have to spend significant dollars on back-up. Now we have both a back-up and potential successor.
2. The league is changing to smaller, faster linebackers. A big strong back makes that a defensive weakness.
3. The Packers have not had a strong blocking tight end in a long time( except for the aging Mercedes Lewis).
That has been a glaring weakness that is now being fixed.
4. The o-line has several back-ups that could develop into good players. The need for draft help may be overstated.
5. Not getting high pick receiver is disappointing but could still be addressed with free agents or trade.
6. Inside linebacker and d-line still need to be addressed. Free agents or day 3 draft can still improve that.

Bottom line is the will be better than last year.

I don't like the Persuasive thinking. Following the draft is a glimpse into the future. And I feel that when you draft a guy with 17 INTs. You have a right to criticize the pick. Losing Draft capitol year after year is just another question mark. Reaching is the same thing. And what we've seen, is reaching through 3 drafts now. How can so many Draft Guides be wrong, and Gutey so right? I stated before the draft we would see Gutey out of his mind. WHY can't he go by the BOOK. This wasn't anything close to BPA. The best draft guru' take the best player regardless of need. Following football drafts all my life. I kept wanting those players my guide talked about. Well now we have a GM who only wants people to think "ITs all about Him". He's only Lying to himself now . Making everyones job around him that much harder. Gutey's Glory I jest. But nothing is more apparent. Picking a Practice Squad player; over his pre draft talk of wanting LBs and Wrs. WAS A. LIE! This isn't draft poker! It's a GM who is changing the hopes of every fan. The careers of players! (showing them the door.) The snow balling of the press for answers. I've been a packer fan since childhood. Football people know Football players! Never have I seen a worst draft. Gutey dropped the ball again. He has to be ignoring GBs scouting program. Leaving me only to write: Gutey has his head up his ass at draft Time.

I saw almost every team but the Packers get healthier. I blamed Ted for years on cheap ball. Loving the 5,6,7 picks and trying to avoid the first and second round heros who costs da moooney. By drafting these losers for sure Murphy has the leverage to saw, hey you were lucky we took you, no one else may have so sign on the bottom line and thank your god.
A Jones would be an idiot to run his arse off this year knowing his replacement is on the team now and he aint going to be re-signed.
All I know is the Vikings got rid of some capital, acquired a ton of picks, reloaded and will be very very very competitive for years to come. The pack will unload the latent to avoid big money and reload to with late round picks.

I saw almost every team but the Packers get healthier. I blamed Ted for years on cheap ball. Loving the 5,6,7 picks and trying to avoid the first and second round heros who costs da moooney. By drafting these losers for sure Murphy has the leverage to saw, hey you were lucky we took you, no one else may have so sign on the bottom line and thank your god.
A Jones would be an idiot to run his arse off this year knowing his replacement is on the team now and he aint going to be re-signed.
All I know is the Vikings got rid of some capital, acquired a ton of picks, reloaded and will be very very very competitive for years to come. The pack will unload the latent to avoid big money and reload to with late round picks.

Oh C'mon everyone, give Gutekunst some credit,
Making Ted Thompson look like a Draft Guru is not an easy thing to do, to succeed takes a lot of hard work, incompetence, and repeated fuck-ups.
Gutey's doing great!

This draft has been unexpected so far, I’ll give it that. It looks like MLF and Gutekunst have a destination in mind and moving there faster than many are comfortable. I actually think last year’s success my have contributed to their ability to make the transition quicker. 13-3 with a coach having his feet firmly straddling 2 systems was actually remarkable. It may have provided a bit of freedom to make the transition in hyper-speed rather than a 4-5 year “giving AR the talent to run the system we have become familiar with” as his skills decline. Instead, I think we can expect the new-look will be complete for the 2021 and 2022 season with ARod either completely on board or gone soonafter. There’s a new sheriff in town.

It's one thing to draft players that match your offensive philosophy, which is totally fine and what all team's do but the problem is the reaching. I saw Nagler comment on Twitter a couple of times that ESPN was wrong on not having DeGuara ranked or who cares what they think.

The problem with this attitude is it's not just ESPN as his own draft guide had him ranked as the 11th best TE in a very weak class and they took him in the 3rd.

When you trade away your only 4th round pick to move up to draft a QB and then reach with your 3rd round pick, you can't be mad at fans hating the outcome so far.

The reality is that we lost the 49ers because of our lack of run defense. In this Current stage of the NFL, it is embarrassing that we were dominated in the NFC championship game by a team that only threw the ball nine times. In this offseason, we have we have done extremely little to address that.

BG and MM and looks like ML all need to go, if you want to rebuild let's start with the front office....! Let's look at MM's era...2007 - present, 2 hall of fame QB's with 1 SB appearance/win. And that was 10 years ago, and you are choosing to rebuild 4 years early with a HOF QB still on your roster who wants to win now! MM you are a disgrace! Anyone who doesn't think so, you are entitled to your opinion but I really don't care , my opinion will never change. This team has been a circus ever since you were hired. You created this mess!! If you and BG have such a vision for the future, apparently it is ion contrast with most packer fans and I am sure most packer players, then have the guts to trade #12, don't let him wither away while you rebuild. Only the blind spineless loyalist will support you. MM you are on the clock!

Also, with the direction of the teams offense wanting to run run run, that's all fine and dandy but when you're down 27-0 at halftime, you may need to scrap the playbook and start throwing the ball. They've added no run stoppers or someone that can help in the passing game so again, not sure why those upset are being called haters when they haven't addressed these areas of need.

I agree with pack1487,
I'm done trying to analyze the "trade up for Jordan Love" fiasco, or the quality and value of the other two players. OK, the Pack went 13-3 last year, against a schedule of 3 or 4 teams with winning records, and in most games, even against the worst teams, they looked bad doing it
The facts are that the Packers' defense sucked last year, and thus far the Packers have ignored that. To call the middle of the 2019 'defense a sieve would be kind and a huge understatement. The Packers have ignored the LB position for what seems like forever, and like his good buddy Ted, Gutekunst is doing the same. Patrick Queen was there for the taking and when they traded up we had hope. Then Gutey took a clip board Jockey and the shit started flying. Rightfully so!
Maybe worse is that they haven't sniffed at any help for Kenny Clark, and he'd be a fool to sign an extension only to be beaten to death with another couple years in GB.
Replacing Bulaga should at least be a consideration wouldn't you think, try to protect AR, maybe? I'm not even gonna' touch WR.
Scoring 30 - 40 points a game is fun to watch, when it's not your opponent doing it.

Pettine gone after next season.
LaFleur gone in two, maybe three seasons.
Gute bought himself more time with the Love pick.
Murphy is basically a wolf in sheep's clothing as a commercial real estate developer in his PFO role.
Goods odds our MVP this year will be Crosby--take him in the last round of your FF draft.
The only thing worse than Packer Nation overvaluing/hyping players like deities is management mirroring that behavior by committing the crime of misappropriating draft capital; clearly Gute lacks sound judgment when it comes to the perspective of value as executor of the draft process. His unbecoming rationale is almost senile-like; after the past two drafts and the signing of an obvious washed up Graham, I feel confident he is the Joe Biden of NFL GMs (and we thought Ted had that role locked up in his latter years)...apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Fantastic breakdown, Aaron. Well said. Kudos.

You are all getting upset over dice rolls that you don't even know the value of. You just think you know the value of it because some fortune teller told you the value, or you personally read the tea leaves.

I imagine that they try and get a couple DL/OL backups and LB from the rest of the picks.

From my perspective, all of my hate and anger about this draft is focused on what appears to be a difference is vision... IMO, this team should be looking to prioritize winning a Super Bowl next year and punting on 2023 if we need to. This draft seems to focus on the latter for reasons I don't fully understand (I have my guesses that I'm not going to bother stating right now)

As I've mentioned several times, the Patriots found success in the last few years of Brady's tenure by prioritizing each of those years at the expense of the future and every Patriots fan ever is happy they did. We're doing the opposite and I have no idea what our expectations are, but mine is that we're going to get opposite results for seemingly obvious reasons.

two more years and boy wonder Matty and gute will be hitting the road...please trade Arod and guys like Bak...they deserve better...

Drink more think less

First off let me say this - I just abhor Mike Florio and his less than insightful commenting - on pro football, He is a legend in his own mind. Now that being said I must admit that I hated the drafting of Love in round 1. But after some thought - whenever AR has been hurt - even with Matt Flynn - we have not been a good team. Unlike some other teams - can you say the Eagles. Secondly - a first round pick doesnt guarantee a successful team - especially the Pack - with a few notable exception - starting in 2005 - AR, Hawk, Harrell, Rajji, Matthews, Bulaga, Sherrod, Perry, Jones, Dix, Randall, Clark, Alexander, Gary, Savage Jr.

So with the large number of flops ( and guys who played a few years and were moved), how can making a number one pick be the key ingredient for success especially at 30 overall. My point is - we need to find some gems today in the later rounds and ensure that we pick up some of the few free agents out there both undrafted and guys that have not been resigned. I think that CM3 might be a stop gap in the middle on limited snaps and since there was no JJ Watt types available - we probably didnt miss anything other than maybe a receiver.

With the 2020 college football season in doubt the packers needed to take a qb now or wait until about 2023. The rest of the picks just show the new offensive philosophy. A big bruising back and 2 tight end formations. I doubted all along they would get a high capital receiver as this team is not going to be built that way.

If we wanted to waste and overdraft a blocking te, why not just resign Vitale ? He got peanuts from the Pats !

I love watching Packers fans freak the eff out every draft.
Every draft, everyone is up in arms, and within a few days, most opinions change somewhat, and by training camp, most all perceptions have changed completely.

Does it look like a good haul so far? Nope. Who cares? I can't control it. Does it mean it's actually a bad draft? No telling! even if it was.. I can't control it.

All I can actually control is how often I re-read all the freak-out posts from people who apparently have a crystal ball and know exactly how it should have gone. And trust me, I re-read them as much as possible. You people keep me in stitches.

practice squad...wanna bet.

Even a senile TT couldn't FU a draft this badly.

Love = Bortles. I think Blake is an unsigned FA but wiley Packers got Love for only a first plus a fourth. Brilliant!
Dillon = D. Henry after two more years in NFL. He'll help Packers but price was too high given other needs.
Deguara = very solid 6th round pick. Should help ST.
Packers 4th = Best ILB available except Packers gave it away to steal Bortles . . . I mean Love.
Martin = FA athlete on speed dial list for every team in NFL. Should be on PS except Packers need ILB bodies now.

Other NFL teams are mad at Packers for taking sleeper picks they wanted but Gutekunst outsmarted them by taking them two rounds early.

Talent gap between Viqueens and Packers just got wider.
I need to go outside and get some fresh air even at risk of getting CV.
I think I may have gotten CV watching the draft. Not feeling well.

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Man..have the CHICKENS COME HOME TO ROOST!

Maybe Tightwad Te...."GUTE" should be given the benefit the doubt...
Rodgers is an OLD MAN....and not what he used to be....this team needs to REBUILD...for the future..
NO FREE AGENTS....

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What's the matter?

The Primadonna at QB is not happy?
Isn't he a team player? Or is it all about him....????

#12 is NOT bigger than the Green Bay Packers...

Maybe he should RETIRE already....(sound familiar?)
Or better yet, I think the VIKINGS would take him....maybe....
Definitely the LIONS, or BEARS even....

He better get behind GUTE.....and Coach LeFleur

Who the HELL does he think he is...????

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Waaah...we AROD needs receivers...waaahhhhh whaaaa

I watched that playoff game against SF....
They couldn't stop S*H*I*T*

The need Defense Defense Defense....

I’m any event, there’s a fair chance the 2020 season will be shelved due to C-19.

Uhhh, what just happened??????

Now I just read our list of picks a bit ago, only seeing the 1st one live. Not a single one of the, except Love, was even a thought before today. Didn't see this one coming.

First thought was that we are gonna max out ARs remaining career by running the ball like the Wisconsin Badgers. My second thought was, we may have just seen a legit BPA draft for the first time. I dunno, I'm not a talent scout. A third thought, I bet we do a lot better on third and ones from now on. And fourth, looks like we're getting serious about the future of the interior offensive line.

We did pretty good last year and the guys we drafted should give us solid depth and some real completion for some starters. Not sure how long we'll have to wait to see any action, maybe 2021. But for now, with our FA additions this off season, and an expectation for some steps up by a few guys. We should be in the mix again.

This is my favorite Packers-related podcast ever. Thank you, Aaron, for helping us to understand this draft, the evolution of our team, and the true meaning of being a Packers fan. I have been distraught by the hate. True fans love their team. It's that simple. Too many Packers "fans" are following the Wisconsin and U.S. trends of hating and desiring to harm their fellow neighbor (cf., COVID protesters in Madison and elsewhere clamoring that "some lives are expendable"). I will always root for the home team and for the good guys to win.

As has been repeated ad nauseam, it is impossible to judge the Love pick (or any for that matter) for a few more years. But if the past few years of our backup QB play and the Eagles experience with Nick Foles has taught us anything it's that having a quality back-up QB can make or break a season (especially a 17 game season). The odds of ARod not missing any games over the next 2-3 years is close to zero. We can't just concede all those games, however many there are. None of us knows if Love will be the answer but it will be interesting to watch and find out. I for one am optimistic.