Eagles 22, Packers 10: Game Balls / Lame Calls
Another poor showing kills Green Bay's season

And so the Packers’ season ends as it began, with a loss to the Philadelphia Eagles, this one sending Green Bay into the offseason night with big questions to answer and significant holes to fill.
Similar to the opener in Brazil in September, the Packers contributed heavily to their own demise. Only this time, they wasted perhaps the best performance of the year by the defense. Instead, offensive miscues and poor play calling resulted in a 22-10 defeat.
Already missing Christian Watson, it certainly didn’t help that Elgton Jenkins, Jayden Reed and Romeo Doubs were forced to the sidelines with injuries. But the Packers started the game off with a Keisean Nixon fumble on the opening kickoff and didn’t play much better the rest of the way. Interceptions, drops, and devastating holding calls helped keep Green Bay out of the end zone until the fourth quarter. Yet when Josh Jacobs scored the Packers were somehow still in the game until, down 19-10 with 5:44 left, on a third and three, Matt LaFleur inexplicably called for Emanuel Wilson to run into the middle of the Eagles’ defensive line, one of the best in the NFL. When that was stuffed, a bad fourth down pass by Jordan Love to Malik Heath on a quick out made it difficult for Heath to keep both feet inbounds, and the Eagles took over on downs and put the game away.
There will be plenty of detailed, post-mortem analysis of this Packers season, but the top-line reality is this: Green Bay went 0-6 against the three best teams in the NFC; they lost their last three games with dismal performances, and they played one less playoff game than last season despite adding key free agents and changing defensive coordinators. It will be, and should be, a long winter of reflection at 1265 Lombardi Ave.
GAME BALLS
Josh Jacobs — Jacobs was a man possessed (one of the few in a Packers uniform on this night), determined to make a difference despite Phildelphia’s stingy run defense. He gained 81 yards on 18 carries and added 40 yards through the air. As GM, Brian Gutekunst deserves a share of responsibility for the results of this season, but the free-agent signings of Jacobs and Xavier McKinney were unqualified successes. Jacobs is a difference maker, something the Packers desperately need more of and Gutekunst needs to solve. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
Jayden Reed — After a quiet last few games, Reed came to play, with four receptions and some brilliant yards-after-catch work before getting hurt. He added a 20-yard punt return. Like Jacobs, Reed is one of a small handful of difference makers on the roster, and it is incumbent on Matt LaFleur to find as many creative ways to use him as possible in the future. 🏈 🏈 🏈 🏈
The defense — DC Jeff Hafley has certainly been an upgrade over Joe Barry, lifting the defense to top-10 status in several categories in the second half of the season. The secondary held Philadelphia’s passing game to 131 yards, with A.J. Brown getting just one reception for 10. The virtuoso Saquon Barkley was always going to get his rushing yards, and he amassed 119, but the Packers kept him from explosive plays.
Unfortunately, Hafley’s crew was often unable to get off the field at the most critical moments in games, and it happened again in this one. After the Jacobs touchdown, the Eagles chewed up significant clock driving for a field goal that made it a two-score game again. TJ Slaton and Nixon also committed idiotic, inexcusable roughing penalties that hurt the team. 🏈 🏈 🏈
UNSUNG HERO
None in this game.
LAME CALLS
Jordan Love — Love ended a challenging, injury riddled year with a miserable performance. Three interceptions, several poorly thrown balls and a QBR of 37.1. Love is a gamer, and we don’t know how often he played hurt. We’ve seen him at his best, down the stretch last year, but his consistency is a question mark, especially in big games. He has some serous work to do this off season.
Matt LaFleur — This was his worst game as a Packer. The team has not solved its penchant for penalties, and his scheme was uncreative. When you have key injuries, like Watson’s, against an experienced DC like Vic Fangio, you need to dig deep into your bag of tricks and surprise the opposition. But most unforgivable is the refusal to have Love use his legs. Last season, in 17 games, he ran for 247 yards, often extending drives that helped power the team’s second-half surge. This year, in 15 games, he ran for 83. Granted, he had a knee injury that needed some protection early in the year, but he stopped running pretty much the entire season. With rare exception, QB mobility is essential to winning in modern football. Look at how well Malik Willis performed when he started and ran frequently. If the quarterback is averse to scrambling, at least design plays that get him moving; Love is an excellent off-platform passer. Move the pocket, use read option, whatever it takes. Without it, the offense is less diverse and easier to defend. It’s also head-scratching that this year’s offense was throwing to the middle of the field less.
LaFleur’s clock management was again an issue in this game. With a minute to go in the first half, driving to score points and three timeouts in his pocket, LaFleur let Love and the team rush to get another play off, rather than settling everything down and setting up a play. Instead, Love threw an interception.
Lastly, the team committed 8 penalties for 85 yards. You will rarely win a football game against a good team doing that, and it was supposed to be a point of emphasis.
FINAL WHISTLES
More like, final questions, the main one being: How good is this team?
It’s hard to say. There are some strong, foundational pieces. There are flashes of being unstoppable. But it’s an inconsistent team with few elite difference makers. There is no position group that the Packers can claim is in the top five in the league except running back and maybe tight end. With the Lions and Vikings surpassing Green Bay, the team has its work cut out, looking for answers for a mediocre cornerback room unable to successfully play man coverage, a weak pass rush, a thin offensive line, no wide receiver who can take the top off the defense and stay healthy, and a quarterback with a lot of areas to improve.
All in all, this season has to go down as disappointing at best, and concerning at worst. The team lacks a clear identity, and it is no longer feared. Here’s hoping the brain trust will make the changes needed to improve. GPG.
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Jonathan Krim grew up in New York but got hooked on the Packers — and on hating the Cowboys — watching the Ice Bowl as a young child. He blames bouts of unhappiness in his late teens on Dan Devine. A journalist for several decades who now lives in California, he enjoys trafficking in obscure cultural references, lame dad jokes and occasionally preposterous takes. Jonathan is a Packers shareholder, and insists on kraut with his brats. You can follow Jonathan on twitter at @Jkrim.
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Comments (112)
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 07:25 am
Packers managed to lose decisively while making the Eagles look like a team that nobody else needs to be afraid of. What happened to A.J. Brown? Did the Packers do a great job of covering him, or was he playing hurt? I suspect the latter.
I don't think Matt LaFleur is to blame for Jordan Love not running the ball more. Love has had plenty of chances to run and has almost always refused to do so. I hope this is a temporary thing, due to his injuries. When I watched the other playoff games I saw QBs constantly running for first downs. We were the only team yesterday whose QB was unwilling to do that. Love ran the ball plenty last year. He needs to do it again next year. His durability has now become a major concern.
The opening kickoff was the key play of the game. It showed that the Eagles came to play. I was relieved when I saw on the replay that Keisean Nixon clearly recovered his own fumble....then the refs said the call stands! Still, that play set the tone. Even more concerning was seeing Elgton Jenkins getting blown up by a smaller player and knocked out of the game. Isn't our O-lineman supposed to be dishing out the punishment and not taking it? Jordan Morgan was our only O-line depth early in the season, and without him, our O-line depth was unfortunately zero. Not sure why they put the rookie in there first, rather than Kadeem Telfort.
So many things. What we need most is a really good wide receiver. Every single one of them had a disappointing season. And Jordan Love needs to get back on track.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 08:41 am
I think AJ Brown is still hurt.
We need a true stud #1 receiver.
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 10:26 am
wausau wonder,
"a true stud #1 receiver" won't help anything when your Head coach/play caller forgets that he's there and your rubber-armed quarterback can't get him the ball.
Razer
January 13, 2025 at 10:13 am
...Packers managed to lose decisively while making the Eagles look like a team that nobody else needs to be afraid of...
This is such an insightful and accurate assessment of this game. The Packers were not a serious threat and yet the game was there to be taken late in the 4th quarter. Jordan Love was never in the game enough to generate a victory.
As for Philly, i have never been a fan of their OC, Kellen Moore. He brought a stale Cowboy's offense that doesn't really utilize any creativity in the passing game. Philly's only chance is to out muscle their opponent - which they are capable of doing.
Major Snafu
January 13, 2025 at 11:18 pm
I've given up on Love. Seen enough to believe he is avg at best and what you saw last year in the playoffs was him totally over achieving,
Hate to think he got his money and only wants to survive body wise and doesnt care all that much about winning.
There is no rah rah in the guy. No emotion and again, I say he aint to bright to begin with.
tobinrote
January 13, 2025 at 07:29 am
There is little cause for optimism for the next couple of years. we are saddled with an at best very mediocre qb, whose throwiing mechanics are bad, decision making bad, accuracy woeful. and what to say about the depth of the roster when the two stiffs sent in for jenkins were utterly unfit to play in the nfl. the league has MLF figured out, and he does not adjust. he is a poor in game manager, and just does not get his team prepared. their does not seem to be any discipline. and management will do nothing as usual; not the Green Bay way. but at present this team is woefully behind in talent and organization compared to the Lions and Vikings, the Vikings winning with Sam Darnold, who outplayed our Love by a long shot. we are stuck with a third tier qb, just quiz yourself by running down the starting qb's in the league and at least half of them you would prefer to Love.
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 08:34 am
They are a young team that went 11-6. There is plenty of cause for optimism. Jordan Love had a very good five-game stretch near the end of the season but unfortunately did not sustain it. I'm honestly not sure why. That's the main thing that needs to get figured out. It's common for QBs to regress in their second year as a starter.
They need a really good WR, and they need to strengthen the O-line. No surprise that the #6 and #7 O-linemen struggled against maybe the best D-line in the league. The defense finished very strong, much better than anticipated, and all those players are coming back.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 08:43 am
I still think we have a bright future. Just need improvements by Gutey, MLF, and Jordan Love.
13titles
January 13, 2025 at 07:53 pm
I think you mean REPLACEMENTS for Gutey, MLF, and Jordan Love
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 09:56 pm
By all means, fire everybody if you want to become the Bears.
murf7777
January 13, 2025 at 09:18 am
“It's common for QBs to regress in their second year as a starter.”
It’s also true that one year or a sting of games of greatness doesn’t mean it will continue the rest of their career. Don’t get me wrong, I still like Love’s potential, just wished our Mgmt didn’t manage scared and waited to sign him this off season for much less salary cap with a more favorable contract terms.
Yep, and the reason why I stated not to sign him to the biggest contract last year and wait to see how he plays in year two while he was still under contract. Oh my, the masses were against me. Again, I got the same result when I disagreed to many who stated we had the best or one of the best WR groups early in this year. I stated they have potential to be, but that doesn’t mean they are any where near the best group.
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 09:56 am
I thought the Love contract was an easy decision. Basically they did the same thing they did with Rodgers, although they waited longer, and by then Love had accomplished more than Rodgers had when he got the big contract. That was due to the one-year placeholder agreement they made with Love the year before.
After a shaky season from Love it is legitimate to question that contract. But his career is just getting started. He's only 26 years old, and he has a good 12 years in front of him if he pans out.
Packerpasty
January 13, 2025 at 10:06 am
He's been receiving coaching by the Green Bay staff for five years now, even when running scout teams he's supposed to be getting coached...all he's had is five games where he shined...what I see is another Kirk cousins type qb...maybe not that good....and it would be nice if he showed that he can go through his progressions and run if needed instead of throwing up bombs and hoping for interference calls...not very often are his deep throws actually on target, most of the time the WR has to stop and come back...his demeanor isn't for me, some like a calm guy out there I wish he would show a bit more fire and emotions...but Pack is stuck with him and MLF for at least a couple more years...hope they can both learn but I got my doubts...
murf7777
January 13, 2025 at 11:13 am
I questioned it last pre season and was against signing Love. I respect your thoughts and I know it was a tough decision at the time for the brass to sign Love. Just because it was similar to Rodgers doesn’t make it the same. There were differences. So, why the hurry to sign him? What are your reasons for signing him while he was still under contract ?That said, either way doesn’t mean it was the right decision. What do you think they could sign Love for now? My thoughts 35-45 range which would leave a lot of $’s to sign others to this team.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:01 pm
You can't "question JL10's contract." Not only is he on the team, he's QB1. That isn't changing, and neither is his contract. What remains to be seen is if he can live up to it, and I'm glad to see some people recognizing that HC and playcalling is also part of that.
I again point out JL10 has been pressured WAY too much and improvement on our O line is an important part of this.
stanthemanwiththeplan
January 13, 2025 at 12:43 pm
Respect for saying it like it is. I'm sure J.Love is a great human, and he has flashed talent, but he's been woefully inconsistent and the most frustrating aspect of that is it seems much of the inconsistency is self-inflicted, whether that be poor decision making or poor mechanics.
The difference in play between Willis and Love is night and day. Not saying we need an immediate switch but perhaps they can learn from each other this off-season, hopefully to Love's benefit.
Major Snafu
January 13, 2025 at 11:22 pm
Gutt did this and he has strapped this team for a long long time. Sadly the fans are going to suffer until they come to realize, Gutt is the problem.
Love tossed 17 picks his senior year in div 1a. It was his worst year not his best. But Gutt took this guy with a one pick?
He didnt learn anything from watching Rodgers except he thinks he to can do the flick the wrist thing on his back foot and it aint working
I do know once he throws a pick he goes into a shell and looks to toss the ball to the out guy to save his ass from another down field f up
Cheezehead72
January 13, 2025 at 07:40 am
I was prepered for a loss because the Packers are not that good. Yes they are good but they have shown this year that they cannot beat the top caliber teams. What hurts me is that they lost a game they could have won. The defense was great. The offense was terrible. So let's cast blame on the offense being bad. We need to start with MLF. He is the HC and play caller. It is his job to make sure that the offense has a game plan to win. Last week and yesterday were prime examples that he is over his head and should not be HC and play caller. Then we need to blame Love. He did not practice during training camp because he wanted to get paid because he thought he deserved it. The Packers are going to pay him so he needs to prove that he is worth it. He needs to learn he cannot put the game on his shoulder like Favre and Rodgers. He is not that good. Take the check down or at least take what the defense gives you and hope the other player can make something happen. Then there is the offensive line. Yes Jenkins went down but those penalties have to be cleaned up.
Ok I have been writing that I believe MLF should not be calling plays. There is too much to do as HC that he does not have the bandwidth or capability to plan the offense and there is too much going on the sidelines and too many distractions. The problem is I believe he would be a better OC than HC. It would be difficult for the Packers to hire an HC and demote him to OC. So the probably solution is to keep him as the HC but take play calling away from him and hire an OC. Here are a few options. They could hire Tommy Rees, Nick Carley, and Josh McCown. Of those three the first two have the most experience. I do not know how much experience Josh McCown has calling plays and developing a game plan but he was a QB for many teams. They could also hire a good OC from college.
Hiring an OC would allow the Packers to have both play callers in the booth away from all the activity and provide them the best view to see what is going on. It also allows the play callers to collaborate and tell each other what they see. That would free up MLF to spend all his energy on managing the game. During the weeks game preparations that will allow him to work with the offense, defense, and special teams. Providing the coordinators another set of eyes on their game plan and make sure all three phases are working together.
Get it done.
Razer
January 13, 2025 at 08:31 am
I am with you when it comes to having a dedicated OC who calls the plays. I don't think Matt did a good job on either of these two fronts. Passing to Jacobs out of the backfield and using the TEs was all but an after thought for this offense. Of course, having a QB who was processing better and making accurate throws might have helped.
Some of the team sloppiness and poor discipline could have been cleaned up if the HC was managing his coaches rather than being buried in his play sheet.
Packerpasty
January 13, 2025 at 10:08 am
but Matt wants to be recognized as this young genius innovator of offense, which Rodgers made him look like maybe...so I doubt he'll be giving up play calling even now that he's obviously flatlined as a HC...the league has his schemes figured out by now and theres nothing new...
Major Snafu
January 13, 2025 at 07:58 pm
I too do not care for hc calling plays. Way too much other important things going on. Observing defensive schemes, managing injuries, red flags, clock management, game strategy.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:08 pm
MLF should call plays, but somebody else needs to manage the clock AND handle coach's challenges. During those times play selection and getting the right personnel on the field is still important! Those are moments we've been penalized for too many players on the field and yes it's too much for any one person to excel at consistently. Assistant HC, outside consultant, somebody needs to take over these duties so MLF can keep his nose in the playbook, it's what he's good at. Usually. The last two games excepted.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 07:58 am
GAME BALLS
I agree with the game balls, and I will add my notes to them.
Josh Jacobs —
That run that was almost a TD was insanely good. I wish we could have had a bit more of that earlier in the game, but Jacobs essentially put the team on his back on that run. He brought the game to within 6 points. Just an incredible run.
Something I think they maybe discovered for next year as well is his ability to be used as a WR. He really looked good out wide.
Jayden Reed —
He broke 4 tackles for a 20 yard gain. He was sure handed and made the plays when they needed them. I think next year he is going to explode! Hopefully his dislocated shoulder will be a one time thing.
The defense —
This was a hell of a job by the defense. Once Hafley started bringing pressure the defense really shut down the Eagles.
UNSUNG HERO
Gary —
Gary played his ass off. i get he doesn't get the stats, but he does play really hard. He also drew a holding penalty against one of the best RT's in the league. He got the only sack against him all year in week 1. And he was close a few times in this game.
LAME CALLS
Jordan Love —
The final interception should have been DPI but he shouldn't have tried throwing it there. There was nothing there. But they were down 2 scores with 2 minutes left. i don't fault him for that. The Baun interception was just bad. I don't know what he was looking at or what, but that was right to him. The interception on the right side I just felt he didn't get enough on it. He had it open if he could have gotten it on the outside. At the same time I feel like Wicks has to work harder to try and break that up. Love simply wasn't good. He needs to be better. I have no idea how much injuries have affected him. But he needs to clean up the mental part of the game.
Refs —
The refs set the tone very early. The very first play in fact. Nixon fumbles the ball and clearly recovers it and is down. Yet they don't overturn it. It should have been Packers ball instead Philly gets it and scores a TD and the Packers are basically shell shocked. They called a number of holding calls on GB's OL. Which ok, but the Packers just scored a TD to make it 16-10. Its 3rd and 1 at the 49 yard line. The Eagles fake the tush push and throw it deep to Brown. Incomplete. Great right. Except Barkley completely tackled Evan Williams in the backfield and there was not a call. WTF? If he doesn't tackle him I think Williams gets to Hurts for a sack. It should have been 3rd and 11 at the 39. With 13:40 left in the 4th. Instead the next play they get a first down. They then go and take 5 more minutes off the clock and kick the FG.
Also, How the hell do they not call DPI on the last throw of Loves? yes it was intercepted. That doesn't matter. You can't just tackle a guy.
And the Personal foul on Nixon was horrible.
Injuries —
Already without Watson, they then lost Doubs and Reed. They lost Jenkins which was a massive loss. At the end of the game they lost Myers. They also lost Wyatt. And at the end of the game Jacobs got hurt.
When they finished the game they didn't have their star RB. Their top 3 WR's. Their best OL, and their starting C. They didn't have a starting DL as well.
FINAL WHISTLES
More like, final questions, the main one being: How good is this team?
This is a good and fair question. They lost 7 games this season. 6 of the losses were against 3 teams. Eagles, Vikings and Lions. The last game against the Bears was more of a I simply didn't care. If they wanted to win I think they would have. But the 6 games they lost. They lost by 12 to the Eagles, 10 to the Lions, 5 to the Eagles, 3 to the Lions, 2 and 2 to the Vikings.
This is a good young team. Key word young and they are prone to making mistakes. They are the youngest team in the league for a 2nd straight year.
The inconsistency on offense ended up biting them. In 2 of the final 3 games they didn't have Watson and it just made the offense different. The offense is just different with him on the field. They really missed him in this game. Unfortunately they most likely won't have him for half next season.
Love was inconsistent on the year. But he was also injured and playing through injuries. hopefully he can get healthy and stay healthy next year.
Jacobs was really damn good. He changed the offense and should be even better next year. Hopefully Lloyd can come in healthy. He will provide a boost I believe.
The OL overall was good. We will have to see what they do with Myers. They need depth for sure. Yesterday after Jenkins went out the backups had 4 penalties.
The Defense improved each and every week. The way they played yesterday was really damn good. Probably the best they played all season. Now they need some pieces. They need better pass rusher, and more CB's. I'm hoping they can go get the pieces that Hafley wants to make his scheme better.
The Packers to me are not far off from competing. They get a couple of pieces next year and they are competing for the trophy! They will need help at WR, OL, DL, and CB.
They should get a boost from the young players. Morgan, Lloyd, and Hopper really didn't help much. Morgan and Lloyd were injured. Hopper was basically a special teams only player. I think next year this draft class could make a big impact.
Morgan could be a starter. Cooper could take a big step. Bullard also could take a big jump. Lloyd could add a big time play making element that we lacked and would compliment Jacobs well. Hopper maybe moves into a starting role. Williams should be better. Oladapo I think could be a guy to really watch. He played well in his only action after missing a lot of time early in the year. Kalen King is another guy to watch.
Good season overall. Not the way we wanted to end.
I'm already excited for next year!
Go Pack Go!
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 08:15 am
Nice summary. Gary did get a sack, by the way. Not sure if it was against the RT. Did you really think the personal foul against Nixon was a bad call? It looked obvious to me.
Coldworld
January 13, 2025 at 08:30 am
It was technically a legitimate penalty. Was it egregious enough to get called? I think often not.
murf7777
January 13, 2025 at 09:34 am
Doesn’t matter how often it gets called it was a penalty. IMO it is a very, very stupid play and said player should be disciplined when it happens during the season to set the stage of it being unacceptable so it doesn’t continue into the playoffs as it did twice yesterday. Generally, I don’t like to criticize, but that is on Mlf.
SinceLombardi
January 13, 2025 at 08:47 am
Look back at Nixons time in GB.. fumbles and dead ball fouls. Unfortunately Gary was not getting much pressure in those regular season losses. That’s why we were the 7 seed. Even worse Kenny Clark gives no push up the middle .
It’s pure Pollyanna to think :
MLF will ever field a team that can upset a clearly superior opponent. ( don’t tell me the Cowboys ) MLF will ever have a mistake free disciplined team . 6 years.
It’s also Pollyanna to pin your hopes on guys that are always hurt. Alexander, Stokes , Watson .. think hard.. how much patience did Ron Wolf display with often injured players?
The team regressed. The two game improvement can be attributed to Malik Willis.
And for me … when a player ( THAT WAS ALREADY UNDER CONTRACT) holds out in training camp ( Jordan Love) and proceeds to regress, even when he was healthy.. then chokes like a dog in a winnable playoff game, you have a problem.
Under Ron Wolf there was zero tolerance for repeat mistakes ( Nixon) or players that couldn’t stay on the field. No discipline, no accountability, no improvement. Success has a small window.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 09:04 am
"MLF will ever field a team that can upset a clearly superior opponent. ( don’t tell me the Cowboys ) MLF will ever have a mistake free disciplined team . 6 years."
Last year they Beat the Chiefs who won the Super Bowl. So I mean there is that. And the Cowboys were the 2 seed and one of the best teams in the NFC. Packers destroyed them.
"It’s also Pollyanna to pin your hopes on guys that are always hurt. Alexander, Stokes , Watson "
Alexander potentially could be out. Stokes will be gone. Watson was healthy this year outside of 2 games and then blew out his knee in a game he probably shouldn't have played in.
"The team regressed. The two game improvement can be attributed to Malik Willis."
They won 2 more games then last year. They played a much harder schedule this year, and dealt with an injured QB multiple times this yea. They didn't regress.
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 09:10 am
What's "pollyanna" is your memory of the Ron Wolf years. Wolf was great, but he was far from perfect. There were plenty of lingering injuries and plenty of poor play, including several first round draft picks who went bust (Terrell Buckley, Jon Michels, Antuan Edwards). Odd that you are going after Nixon so hard. He had a really good year.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:23 pm
I love #25, but this is the second season in a row that his kickoff return attempts cost us net yardage vs just taking the touchback.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 08:59 am
Gary did get a sack. I couldn't remember if it was against Lane though.
The personal foul on Nixon, I get why it drew a penalty. But Barkley was going down and what Nixon did, didn't do anything. Its a play that I feel replay needs to look at and assist refs. I'm sure from the refs perspective it looked like he threw him down out of bounds. But replay assist could easily show that Barkley was going down and Nixon didn't do anything.
murf7777
January 13, 2025 at 09:38 am
Nixon clearly pushed him while he was out of bounds, no excuse it was a penalty. A review wouldn’t have changed the call. Because, this isn’t the only time Nixon has done stupid penalties I’d kick him off the team. This team needs discipline and the way you show it is by consequences for your action.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 10:48 am
He was going down. That was a weak, weak penalty. i would have said it if it happened to a Packers player as well.
murf7777
January 13, 2025 at 11:19 am
So, if he was going down than why did he need to push him? If you are dismissing his stupid play, Your argument is weak. Those occurrences are selfish and I suspect teammates deplore such actions. More than likely the reason it happened is because they were getting their ass kicked and out of frustration he did that. It doesn’t matter how flagrant it was the reality is it WAS a penalty. That’s a lack of discipline and has happened far too often, especially in a critical situation like the playoffs.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 12:05 pm
He really didn't push him. I'm listening to a lot of people on this. Wilde and Tausch both said it was a horrible call as well.
The selfish one was Slaton. That was a frustration penalty and was his fault.
Celise...
January 13, 2025 at 04:08 pm
just stop already... he absolutely pushed him, and you could SEE the attitude behind it. he was clearly trying to send him a message by doing it. just because announcers try to cater to their audience, doesn't mean they actually believe it. watch the video with an open mind and you would see for yourself
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 04:59 pm
Yup. SORRY. I will stop now. I will stop listening to people that played in the NFL and covered the NFL for years, because Celise told me to stop and that they are all wrong.
Sorry. You are right.
murf7777
January 14, 2025 at 09:15 am
RC, I can’t believe you went back and rewatched the play you are arguing about. Come on, you don’t need Wilde and Tausch to see what happened. Was his hands on him 2-3 yards out of bounds? YES. Did he extend his arms as he pushed him? YES. I watched it again to make sure about my debate with you was correct. Also, if you like other points of view, listen to the announcers, the first one said it was a weak and the second one stated, yes it came from the second act where he took him out of bounds than shoved him to the ground. It’s very obvious he shoved him. He had his hands on him the whole time until he shoved him, making him fall to the ground. So NO, he wasn’t falling and he was trying to stay on his feet and the push made him go to the ground. Go back and watch it and tell us what you saw.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:29 pm
And the next playoff game somebody did almost the exact same thing as Slaton and was NOT called. The difference being Slaton finished by throwing him to the ground, whereas the one who wasn't penalized did not.
Plus many non calls against the Eagles for things that were worse.
Don't get me wrong, GB did not deserve to win this game and I don't think the refs changed the outcome. Except possibly on the opening play, if maybe the butterfly effect would have entirely changed GB's effort but that's something we can't possibly know.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 08:45 am
The personal foul on Nixon was the correct call.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 09:05 am
I disagree.
Leatherhead
January 13, 2025 at 08:52 am
RC , I think this is a real good summary. One of the best, most balanced takes I've seen.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 09:05 am
Thanks LH.
Bitternotsour
January 13, 2025 at 09:14 am
The Baun interception was on Kraft, not Love. Kraft was supposed to drag Baun out of the area, but he fell down and then loafed it. When you run interconnected routes and someone doesn't do their job it affects everyone else on their routes. That INT lands solidly on Kraft, Baun wasn't supposed to be there.
You may have overlooked Quay Walker whose return improved the defense markedly. He and Cooper are going to be dynamic together. Exciting.
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 09:32 am
I wasn't entirely sure on the Baun interception what was supposed to happen there. I definitely could see it being on Kraft. I just wasn't sure what was supposed to happen there.
Walker back definitely made an impact. its way different with him on the field then Wilson and McDuffie.
I am looking forward to seeing those Walker and Cooper together more next year. They really didn't play a ton together this year.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:33 pm
That's what I saw, too.
I don't think #7 should wear the green dot OR play the Mike position, but 7 & 56 on the field at the same time? Yes, please! In 4-3, I like Eric Wilson as Mike and with the green dot, among the choices on the current roster. It will be interesting to see what they do both at LB and CB.
Houndog
January 13, 2025 at 11:19 am
Hey, RC, how are ya'?
Great assessment, I hope you're right!
I've read it word for word and scanned back through it a number of times, but I didn't see much about MLF.
Did I miss something, are you thinking he's the guy to lead us to a championship? I'm having more than a little trouble believing that he is, even through his first three 3-13 seasons (maybe on Rodgers coat-tails?) he couldn't seem the get his teams up for the Big Games, hasn't been to instill discipline or a killer instinct in his players, and it was visible again yesterday. The offense, and Love it particular, certainly regressed from the final half of last season.
How much longer do we put up with being consistent, inconsistent bridesmaids?
RCPackerFan
January 13, 2025 at 12:26 pm
Hey Houndog. Doing well. You?
Yeah, I honestly didn't post anything about Lafleur. I just didn't feel like he was the big reason why they lost. I know others will disagree with me and will blame him for everything, but in this game, i don't know what more he could have done.
The opening kickoff the returner fumbles. He recovers it but is ruled the other way. Not much he can do that.
Love threw 3 interceptions. Not like he had that play drawn up to throw it to the other team.
4 turnovers is almost impossible to overcome.
Also losing your best OL really impacted the game. Then losing your top 2 WR's really hurt as well. It was a lot to overcome for anyone.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:39 pm
Hounding
I still assert that MLF excels at duties that fall into the OC position, and is bad at things that belong to HC. Demoting him to OC and bringing in Bill Belichik as HC would have been an improvement, but sadly MLF isn't going to be demoted. Stenavitch handling the run game could become smoother with MLF handling the air attack; it needs to. As it is, it seems as if every opponent knows whether it's a run play or pass. Nobody's getting fooled. Winning football includes keeping the opponent guessing.
Straya
January 13, 2025 at 08:12 am
As someone who grew up playing Rugby, I'd dearly like to know when the Nfl is going to crack down on tacklers leading with their heads. Jenkins' and Reed's injuries were both caused by contact from the helmet, as was Nixon's fumble (don't know how he wasn't evaluated for a concussion after that one).
No-one wants to watch a bunch of backups on the field, and the league owes these guys a duty of care. How do they keep turning a blind eye to defenders flying down the field and diving head-first into the ball carrier?
Cheezehead72
January 13, 2025 at 08:51 am
I have thought about this and the problem is we have very strong guys playing a game where they are outfitted with hard pads and a hard helmet. There are rules about leading with the helmet but most players do because it is hard. I had the idea of using soft pads either cloth or leather and going back to leather helmets. That way the players will be less likely to lead with their helmets.
It will also solve another problem because they will not have a facemask anymore it will eliminate the facemask penalty but it might lead to more broken noses.
Razer
January 13, 2025 at 08:15 am
Despite the score, Philly gave us plenty of time to take this game. We couldn't. We didn't have the talent nor recognition to make the step up. The biggest positive out of that loss is that the gaps and failings of this team are very evident.
As much as Matt LaFleur bumbled through too many games this year much of the ceiling for this team rests at the feet of Brian Gutekunst. Average O-line with zero depth won't go far in this league. Lack of experience and number one talent at WR makes defending the Packers offense rather simple. Having the youngest team in the league is about budget and little else. Philly shows what well placed veterans do for a team.
Second good outcome from this game is A Jeff Hafley defense. He made chicken salad out of a lot of average talent. If we ever draft some decent D-linemen and generate a pass rush we might have a defense to fear.
The biggest challenge rests with a front office that needs to do better.
jaxpackfan
January 13, 2025 at 08:59 am
Good points Razer. However, the past few years the Packers have been forced into budget mode because of the Rodgers debacle. Hopefully, they will have more flexibility this year to supplement the youth movement.
Razer
January 13, 2025 at 10:24 am
True and we continue to have dead money handicaps. This too falls at the feet of our front office.
dobber
January 13, 2025 at 09:06 am
" Average O-line with zero depth won't go far in this league."
They were fortunate to have been largely healthy in the OL all year. They lost Morgan, and had some in-game injuries, but otherwise didn't need that depth. They'll likely let Myers walk, some of the depth pieces (e.g. Dillard) will likely walk, and they have three starters entering contract years. Even with Morgan coming back, last night's game showed that they need to do serious work in the OL depth chart this off-season which means more draft picks.
"Lack of experience and number one talent at WR makes defending the Packers offense rather simple."
Another position that moved up the "need" list on draft day in these last few games. Watson's 2025 is in jeopardy, and even if he makes it back will likely be spending all season getting his legs back under him. You have to wonder about Doubs' health with a second serious concussion in a month. Impact WR can be found in the draft most years--it didn't used to be that way--but I suspect we'll see them lean into their returning pass-catchers (including TE) and cross their fingers rather than using a day 1 or 2 pick on a WR. Too many needs to service in a single draft.
"If we ever draft some decent D-linemen and generate a pass rush we might have a defense to fear."
Slaton's probably gone. Wyatt got hurt again yesterday. They've got some pieces but not enough. Add CB to this discussion, and there's two positions on the defensive side that need help.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:52 pm
It's time to add a WR anyway, just to have a succession plan in place. I think it deserves a high pick, but CB needs to be first round. Yes on drafting linemen, on both sides of the ball. Lots of development remains for draft picks on the roster, including #52 & 90 who have identical needs to work on with a specialist in the off season.
I see Josh Myers as a mixed bag: he's always hurt, especially shoulder. How much more effective would he be if he weren't injured? Is there cap space to keep him? Is competition between him and Monk enough? I'm not sure I like the idea of moving Jordan Morgan to LG and Jenkins to C, even though LG is likely Morgan's best position. I think Jenkins is just better, and will continue to be for at least one more season.
Since'61
January 13, 2025 at 08:18 am
Agree with the the Game Balls and the Lame Calls. I don't understand how the fumble on the opening kickoff was ruled in the Eagles favor even after a booth review. Totally blown call. The bigger issue is why is Nixon running the kickoff back out of the end zone. Where is the coaching telling him to stay in the end zone and take the ball at the 30 yard line. That eliminates the fumble and gives the ball to the Packers offense to start the game. Terrible decisions by the Packers right from the start.
The Packers organization needs to be reviewed from Gute down through every player in every position group. The team ended the season with more questions than answers looking forward to 2025. Coaching, QB, OL, WRs, DL and CBs are all question marks at this point. The draft and FAs can help turn things around quickly but the Packers have numerous decisions to make during the upcoming off season. 3 bad losses to end the season has been very disappointing.
Thanks, Since '61
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 08:47 am
All excellent points!
NFLfan
January 13, 2025 at 04:02 pm
Since 61-The problem is-who does the reviewing? There is no one who holds this group accountable because they one and the same.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 10:55 pm
Mr "we are not idiots"
ricky
January 13, 2025 at 08:39 am
The broadcast team noted that Wicks had a problem with drops this year, leading the league in that dubious category. They then said the team should address this in the off-season. But, Wicks had the same problem last year, they had an entire off-season to address the problem. They didn't. This is on the coaches.
LaFleur seems to be getting worse as a play caller, and doesn't seem to understand that timeouts do not carry over to the next half of the game. This is on him.
The OL keeps making mistakes at crucial times. It is past time the team puts Stenavich back in charge of the OL; give him the title of co-coach with emphasis on the OL, and see if that helps. Keep him at the same salary, but find someone who can run the offense and help with play calling and time management.
Finally, try to find a younger kicker who can take over for McManus. This is not a criticism of the guy, but he's not going to be around forever. Stash the replacement on the practice squad, and have McManus mentor him, along with the new ST's coach.
Leatherhead
January 13, 2025 at 08:49 am
I love your critique on the offensive line. Our third string center (Rhyan) and two backups at guards. Not exactly ideal. The holding calls hurt us, no doubt, but they were the best we had on the shelf
bassrock
January 13, 2025 at 08:54 am
Yeah get rid of the most consistent kicker we have had in years. Missing 2 out of 20 kicks is pretty damn consistent. Or don't you remember the other two before him?
ricky
January 13, 2025 at 10:56 am
I never said the Packers should get rid of McManus. What I did say was they should get a younger kicker who can be ready to take over when McManus retires or ages out of the league. He's going to be 34 in July. Having a backup plan seems prudent.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:03 pm
Anders Carlson was perfect for THAT role, not the starter.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:02 pm
Nobody said that.
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 10:18 am
I don't believe Wicks had a problem with drops in his rookie year. He did struggle with that in college, however. Not sure to what extent coaching can solve that problem. Maybe that's why he was a 5th round draft pick, just like Marques Valdez-Scantling, who has also dropped a ton of passes and is now with his third team. Let's hope Wicks can work through this. He was a lot better toward the end of the season.
Brandon McManus is only 33, he has several prime years ahead of him.
ricky
January 13, 2025 at 11:01 am
If you do a search about Wicks' drops from last season, he led the team in that area. It was a problem. It should have been addressed in the off season. Obviously, it wasn't. Because this year, it got worse. The last thing this team needs is a return to the days of McCarthy, who, when asked about a problem with the team, would always say, "We're going to address that." And it would continue to be a problem.
NFLfan
January 13, 2025 at 04:04 pm
@Ricky-you are right-coaching can help w/drops.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:00 pm
Stenavitch back to O line coach, demoting MLF to OC, and bringing in someone who's adept at being a HC is what I said before the 2023 season started. Bill Belichik was available.
Sadly, nothing like this is going to happen. Therefore keeping MLF's nose in the playbook and delegating clock management and coach's challenges to someone else is the next best option IMHO.
Also, Steno calling run plays and MLF calling pass plays is the most likely reason RPO disappeared; they need to work on that! And getting & 85 AND 88 involved at the same time was the obvious winning strategy ...
ddepula418
January 13, 2025 at 08:43 am
MLF totally lame. Team wasn't ready.
Offense lame.
Defense came up small when needed.
Leatherhead
January 13, 2025 at 08:46 am
At the end of the day, we had too many guys not on the field: Wyatt, Jenkins, Watson, Doubs,Reed.
In the playoffs, you're going to be playing against good teams, and the teams that advance are the ones that can score against good teams, and the ones that can't, go home. We weren't able to score points against the Eagles with the guys that we had on the field.
After it stops stinging, the Packers will decide how they have to improve. Obviously, a deeper line, since every single year we end up with our #8 or #9 offensive lineman on the field in the the playoffs.
Lots of uncertainty about the future of Watson and Doubs, IMO, over their health and the fact they'll be in the final year of their contracts. We're probably going shopping on Day 2 of the draft for our next superduper WR.
I have not studied the play of Jordan Love yet, saving that for later. My initial impression is that he didn't have a very good game. Nonetheless,he's going to be our starter next year and we'll have to hope he improves a little.
wausau wonder
January 13, 2025 at 08:49 am
Love had a bad game, but I am confident that he has the skills to improve significantly if he can clean up his footwork.
Cheezehead72
January 13, 2025 at 08:55 am
He better get better. He is what we have so he needs to get better and MLF needs to plan the game around him and Gute and Co need to buid a team around him.
Packerpasty
January 13, 2025 at 10:14 am
when's that supposed to happen...didnt happen in college, or the first five years in the pro's...I have my doubts he will learn and develop anything more than he is now...for the organizations sake I sure he does...
Celise...
January 13, 2025 at 04:21 pm
i really hope your right, but i feel his problem lies more in his head than his feet. he doesn't appear to be able to make good reads downfield quickly and it costs him. seldom is he able to scan the field quickly and make a decision, which i feel is more important than even his footwork, although i would agree he needs to clean that up as well.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:12 pm
JL10 has a few areas where just a little improvement will make him MUCH more effective. At training camp 2023, he did not display bad footwork. He learned that playing behind a leaky O line. To fix this, he needs to be able to depend on more time in the pocket. This is THE single biggest factor! Being pressured too much also leads to bad decisions, and not seeing the field as well. Making short passes to checkdowns became a problem again in the last few games; again a result of pressure but QB is all about mental processing speed.
Deciding when to RUN is something others have pointed out, it seems like he just became unwilling to do that. Was this solely due to injuries? Sometimes that IS the best option, and he's good enough at it that it should be part of his repertoire.
SinceLombardi
January 13, 2025 at 08:53 am
I agree.. Love will be the starter and we have to hope he improves. Personally I don’t think he will. The other teams have a book on him now. He is what he is. Kind of like MLF.. they are both super mediocre.
Leatherhead
January 13, 2025 at 09:23 am
See, you were doing good until you said that the guy who had 67 career wins in his first six seasons.....second best all-time....is super mediocre.
Razer
January 13, 2025 at 08:51 am
I got to tip my hat to Saquon Barkley for his class act slide at the end of the game. In this day of egos, that type of gesture and sportsmanship is rare. Hope he has a great playoff run.
Cheezehead72
January 13, 2025 at 08:56 am
Yes but a lot of people lost money that made bets that he would score a TD.
Bitternotsour
January 13, 2025 at 09:02 am
a fool and his money are soon parted
Cheezehead72
January 13, 2025 at 09:09 am
That is why I did not make one bet this year. I find I win more money if I do not gamble.
Bitternotsour
January 13, 2025 at 11:46 am
smart.
Razer
January 13, 2025 at 10:30 am
Good point. Given the NFL's partnership with gambling we may see penalties and fines next year to preserve "the game".
jimtalkbox
January 13, 2025 at 08:52 am
This team was never going to have a deep playoff run. They only functioned on offense vs poor teams although the defensive improvement throughout the season was refreshing.
The long term success of the Love/Lafleur combination hinges on the 2025 season, Love's third as a starter.
albert999
January 13, 2025 at 09:10 am
Is wish one frickin time a reporter would ask laflower if he needs to give up the play calling
GVPacker
January 13, 2025 at 09:13 am
Jonathan you wrote an Interesting piece on CHTV following Green Bays Shut Out win vs the Saints.
you said that Jordan Love didn't look sharp and you were right. He missed open receivers
and his decision making was suspect. I agreed with your observations and look what happened!
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:15 pm
Go back to week 6 and watch him against the Cardinals. How do we get THAT JL10 back?
HawkPacker
January 13, 2025 at 09:27 am
I have read all the comments in this article and agree with most of them and disagree with a few.
It seems like the offense is just struggling to perform and the level it should based on last year and the improvements made this year. I love our running back. He has a winning attitude. I have been a big Love supporter but I do not like his attitude. To me, it is like he is just going through the motions. I believe he needs an attitude adjustment immediately. More like the attitude of Buffalo's qb. I don't want him to run headon into defenders but he needs an attitude that screams we will win and I will make sure of it. An example would be him telling/showing the team that they will get the needed first down by him running or passing. Take the game on his shoulders much like our rb. It appears to me that he is just going through the motions and 'hoping' they win.
I think we all agree that we are so disappointed how the year went after how last year went, the draft and the signing of two excellent free agents. So disappointing.
Oh and one more thing. I saw the replay of Nixon's fumble and it sort of looked like he recovered it but I don't think he ever had control of it and that is why the refs call stood!
GregC
January 13, 2025 at 09:45 am
You bring up a good point about Love's attitude. The body language is not good. Part of it is that he is not a guy who displays his emotions a lot, but if he doesn't do that, he at least needs to show something in his play to give the team some energy and confidence. Yesterday I saw QBs running headfirst into piles to get first downs. Those are often key plays in games, maybe even more so in the playoffs. It is inspiring for teammates to see that. But Love won't do it. I wonder if this is why they've developed the Tucker Kraft QB sneak.
As for the Nixon fumble, I've always thought there was a low threshold for possession of a fumble. Just pin it between your arm and your body for an instant and you are good. I could be wrong about that.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:19 pm
If #25 just took the touchback there would have been 0 issue. This is the second season in a row he has cost us net yards by returning balls from the end zone. Not even counting penalties, injjuries, or turnovers.
Packerpasty
January 13, 2025 at 10:17 am
im with you exactly about Love's attitude..."Mr Calm"....well I would much rather have a guy with some fire in him and have it show out there on the field...he's so far away from being a Josh Allen it aint funny but at least he should be able to show a little fire...and learn to run when he cant read his progressions...
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:24 pm
Our Mr calm cool and collected has panicked in big moments. Last year's season ending loss in SF. Throwing ints into triple coverage. (His last int in this game was DPI, btw)
Trying to change JL10 away from who he is is a non-starter. Trying to improve what he already has is needed! Staying calm cool and collected, enough to actually win games? How many game winning drives has he orchestrated, coming from behind? Making great decisions, even when under duress. Deciding to just RUN! These are things he can do.
packrules
January 13, 2025 at 09:34 am
Regression is the word I would use for this Packer team, especially in areas that were suppose to be a strength. Yes they had a better record, but the sloppy, undisciplined way they played bit them in the ass far to many times.
Head coach - regression
QB - regression
WR - regression
Offense (even with Jacobs running like a man possessed) - regression
Play calling - regression
Pass rush - regression
Name me a player who was better than last year? Tucker Kraft is about the only player I can think of. Unfortunately, it seems like once our draft and develop players get into their second contract things seem to fall apart for them.
Major Snafu
January 13, 2025 at 08:05 pm
That's our problem, the vikes brought in two free agents, each made pro bowl with 11sacks each. Are you kidding me how much this immediately cements your defense. This draft and development is bs. What after three years we are supposed to see pro bowl level play, year 4 they holt for mo money, we start over. How is that working.
We draft for shit and worse lrfleur plays gutts one picks even if they aren't producing because he knows who signs his paychecks. Play walker over cooper? Common man
JohnnyLogan
January 13, 2025 at 09:44 am
Love will hopefully improve; I have little hope for La Fleur. He does too many things wrong to be a head coach or even an OC. I don't know how he got the reputation as a brilliant play-caller; he may be the most vanilla playcaller we've had in GB in decades. He looks overmatched most of the time; he can't manage a game, call a game, or field a disciplined team. I don't think you can excuse his divisional record (1-5) or his record against top teams (0-6). As long as he's the head coach, I don't care how much improvement in talent we add next year; there is little faith that he will know how to utilize it.
GVPacker
January 13, 2025 at 11:10 am
JohnnyLogan You make some Excellent Points, I agree!
GreenAndGold_1963
January 13, 2025 at 10:04 am
MLF actually said that being down 7-0 was too much to overcome!
Unbelievable!!!
Lphill
January 13, 2025 at 10:05 am
game ball for the defense minus Nixon , lame calls Nixon.
T7Steve
January 13, 2025 at 10:06 am
"There is no position group that the Packers can claim is in the top five in the league except running back and maybe tight end."
It seems the TEs are being ignored. I can't believe Love didn't see Kraft when he was wide open in the endzone. He should be the first read in situations like that. If they'd have used the TEs more, it would have forced the Eagles to adjust. Look how well it worked to throw to Jacobs, but they still didn't keep trying it. After Jacobs caught one of his passes it opened up his big run up the middle.
Packerpasty
January 13, 2025 at 10:19 am
He (love) doesnt see the field very good...when things break down he just chucks it up...when he should run he wont...he's, so far, pretty darn mediocre..a mediocre QB can win but he has to be surrounded by superior talent which the Packers dont have..
Major Snafu
January 13, 2025 at 08:12 pm
Ya Muskgrave did little since coming back. My issue Kraft bench sat because Musgrave was a higher pick. There is a gutt pecking order that says the higher picks play the others hench sit as in were developing them.
Cooper is out playing walker, walier came back in and cooper sat. Piss poor player management and evaluation.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:31 pm
Yes and more emphatically, I am not averse to plays with 1 WR 2 TEs and 2 RBs. What else are you supposed to do when your entire WR room has a case of the drops?
Although, I still want to see #80 Bo Melton used as a direct substitute for #9 when 9 is out for whatever reason. JL10 simply loses his connection with that much speed and it takes him a while to re-connect. The MVS role works by taking the opposing defense's fastest player out of the play, and only throwing to our deep threat if he's actually OPEN.
SinceLombardi
January 13, 2025 at 10:19 am
Jordan Love’s last two playoff game quarterback ratings: 74.5 against San Francisco and a putrid 41.5 against the Eagles. The 41.5 is the worst in franchise history with a minimum 20 attempts.
This goes along with 2 touchdowns and 5 interceptions in that span.
But for me the deal breaker was a SHORT 4th down pass he threw over Malik Heath’s head. Nobody in his face, a simple pass to complete, the season on the line.
Paired with a soft , overwhelmed MLF, I’m not sure this team is even a playoff team next year.
Packerpasty
January 13, 2025 at 10:20 am
in this division im betting they wont...the Bears will improve with a good coach, Williams isn't a dud, he'll be a thorn in the Packers side for many years...
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:41 pm
This raises a "point of emphasis" in drafting a WR:
catch radius. Bo Melton and to a lesser extent Malik Heath have small catch radii. A demonstrated LARGE catch radius should be high on the list of priorities for Gutey to draft, beyond just arm length. Fingertip catches, high pointing, diving catches ...
LambeauPlain
January 13, 2025 at 10:56 am
Solid review, Jonathan.
I guess some can feel 11-7 is an improvement over 10-8. The additional win being due to Brooks' finger to defeat the lowly bares.
The team is stuck in neutral. When the D was unable to get critical stops to win games for 3 years...Hafley was brought in to fix it...so the O is now unable to get critical scores to win games. Meanwhile STs have been dismal for all 6 LaFleur seasons. He has feet of clay when it comes to replacing ineffective coaches. Seems terrified to upgrade his staff.
I was going to hope LaFleur could convince me he is a good HC this season. Now I don't believe he is even that good of an OC. Timid in his game week prep (they always have one of the longest injury lists and those guy rarely practice), game day play calling and decision making, and clock management.
I am 50% in agreement with this, Jonathan: "There is no position group that the Packers can claim is in the top five in the league except running back and maybe tight end."
RB group yes...RB Coach Ben Sirmans is a good coach and is the longest tenured coach on the team. TE group? No. Outside of Kraft, the other 3 had 16 total receptions and just 87 yards. However the S group may soon be top 5 with X, Williams, Bullard...and Oladapo may yet rise. LBs may be with Cooper and Walker who is finally playing with his speed and strength and not his slow diagnosing. Hopper will get his chance next season.
3 bad losses in a row and how they lost sure has a different feeling about LaFleur as HC now.
Starrbrite
January 13, 2025 at 02:31 pm
The Nixon fumble was recovered by Nixon—and the video evidence was clear. The telecasters agree and the dunce ex-official in the booth also agreed—recovered by the KR. The spineless officiating crew and their lapdog pals in NY were too corrupt to offend the Eagles and their criminal antic fans. Nixon actually recovered the fumble twice—
Go Packers!!!
bleedgreen
January 13, 2025 at 04:54 pm
It actually looked like the Eagles were playing defense with more guys than us.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 13, 2025 at 11:49 pm
The explanation for that is comparing their O line to ours.
Major Snafu
January 13, 2025 at 11:35 pm
For me, and this year was the first i didnt even try and predict win loss. I said let it be. I wanted to see if Love was the guy from the playoffs who came around and was going to lead this team to the playoffs.
I wanted to see if the new D coach could instill a pass rush and do something with our god awful pass defensive scheme. So I was an open minded as I've been with this team going forward.
Not so anymore. My reality says, this team based on all the other teams I watched talent wise et al, is below avg. Receivers are who we thought they were. Reed can go missing in action for games on end, drops a lot of passes and all of them run crap routes and dont have great hands.
Run game is the only highlight but football is a passing game then run not the reverse.
If it wasnt for McKinney and Bullard and Ballintine we would be terrible at best but with them we just suck. McKinny got fout interceptions just standing in the right place and having an over thrown ball come to him. But he is out best. and you cant rebuild this unit in one draft like your getting all the talented ones that no one else gets.
If this team is 7-10 next year it would not surprise me in the least. No pass rush, no o line protection, not pass d. Run stopping was better but Gaffney aint no d coach folks. Its Barrys bend dont break passing defense but rushing four or five. They do not play man. Ya we had turnovers but they never amounted to points. We just re turned it back over most times.
Not once this year did we dominate anyone. Every game was a battle except the good teams, six on them that made us look the average I said we were.