Adam Stenavich. “The first day of practice, if it doesn’t look great, you can’t just scrap it, you know what I mean? You got to say alright, this is what we’re doing.”

Man I love Stenavich... But this quote is a bad take. If a guy cant play, the starting lineup on an NFL team with playoff goals just isn't where you stand pat. Jake Hanson and Royce Newman are not cutting it. Josh Myers is barely cutting it. We need better to help cover up the rust on Jenkins and Bahk.

You have a proven starting tackle on the bench. You have the preseasons best rookie on the bench.

Move Jenkins to center. Insert Yosh at RT. Insert Tom at G. Cant be worse then whats happening now.

Don't want to trust a rookie on the line? Then move Jenkins to G and And Yosh at RT.

Biggest dysfunctional group in the Packers team. Coaching, injuries, not enough sleep, whatever it is the offense is going nowhere until they play as a unit.
Frankly, lucky to be 3-3 right now.

In last week's game, they showed a play where Newman turned to his left and let a free man run right past him on his right between himself and Jenkins. Whether it's a blitz or a stunt, Newman has issues picking it up. He's regressed from last season and that's pretty bad.

Jenkins pass blocking grade on PPF is 59.4 and Newman's is 51.1. That's not going to cut it. My hope this past week was Steno would spend LOTS of time in the O-Line room and hopefully make some changes. I mean Damn, you pulled Newman because he sucks so bad and replaced him with Hanson. That tells me Butkus doesn't have a clue what he's doing. I mean putting in the one O-Linemen who is worse than Newman? Hell, Hanson was getting beat by guys in the preseason who are selling insurance right now, out of football. What in the hell did Butkus and/or MLF think would happen when Hanson came in?

Butkus is this year's Mo Drayton. Mo was in WAY over his head last season and we all saw it week after week. Then when it mattered the most, GAVE the game away in the playoffs. Blocked FG, blocked punt for a TD in a 10-7 game. I don't know how much more LaFleur, Steno, and Butkus need to see, but if they don't make changes very quickly the season is over. It ALL starts up front. Maybe changes will help, maybe not. But you have to at least try.

Fire Adam! Rodgers has had it with this OL. Quote," Hike the ball when I tell you too". The musical chairs were obvious from game 1. And so was his frustration. Obviously the packers are too soft. And that goes back to the pre-season. He challenges everyone on the team. And when you blow him off. Stress management doesn't work in the NFL now. He's not in Denial. But when the adjustments don't work. A loss; usually is the result. Something he knows about, after every season ending game.
I'm all for trades when you have a MVP Qb! WHY; can't Gutey get him what he NEEDS. The major need is a OL now.
It's not about the future. And Rodger's will never stand for being called a loser. Dinking around will only get him hurt.
If they're not here to win. They shouldn't be here!

I want to ask you one question. How do you get 5 people to play as group?

Answer I have is to play them together for as long as you can. You have preseason to evaluate candidates. Starting the training camp, you need to have answers who will play in the group and who can be replacements for each of the group. Preseason games you should use to force the group to gel.

I understand that EJ and Bakh was more or less unknown if they will be available. But both of them played long together on left side, so you do not have the problem with them. They already gelled in the past and comeback to familiar positions should be faster and much easier. So, what you need to do? Find the best combo for the right side of the line. Two players that should develop mutual understanding and become team on that side. It was too late to do that with Newman and EJ. They had first game together in week one. They play as isolated islands, not knowing what other will do and what to expect.

Second, it looks like Bakh have less problem with rust than EJ. It should be expected. Why? Because EJ never played significant snaps on the right side. Ans muscle memory is tricky thing. In game speed muscle reacts by memory, and act as the memory tells them. If you need to think what to do, you already let pass rusher pass behind you. That is what happens with EJ. It is not rust. It is EJ fighting against his own muscles. Bakh need just to let his memory emerge out and he can play.

So, my suggestion is to try available player who can play RT as he trained to. Walker, despite experience he hasn't. Give him the chance.

RG - I'll try Runyan, despite he played whole season on the left side. He played RG in the past. Also, it is easier to switch possitions inside than on tackle position. But, if that does not work play next best OL. Zach Tom.

That is how I see the situation. If Walker would not be that good, Packers may try Nyman as RT, but I'm convinced Walker should play better at that position.

I’m not going to argue that the O Line does not need affirmative action to be fixed, but I do think too many are missing the other half of the picture.

The way our O has been run is perfectly designed to allow opponents to exert the maximum pressure in both the run and pass games and opponents know it, whether they blitz or just overload. In my mind, this is the chicken that laid the egg that is the exposure we see now.

As a lesser extra point, Newman’s struggles are but the worst of a line that is all below par. Part if that is the aforementioned pressure invited, but they also aren’t in synch. What I see is a number of problems.

The reinsertion of Hanson also suggests issues with personnel evaluation over personal projects and an unwillingness to try other options. As many know, I’ve got doubts about Tom being ready. However, how unready would he have to be to be worse than Hanson? Why isn’t Walker considered for some snaps at RT? I’m starting to wonder if this is all part of the problem bringing on Rhyan. You can’t get much worse than Hanson has shown himself to be.

To me the root cause is LaFleurs’ terribly cautious O exacerbating pressure continually further inflamed by increasingly questionable personnel and perhaps fundamental coaching that is making everyone worse as well.

I don’t believe we get better significantly till LaFleur changes his O to stretch the field for defenders. Based on this week he seems to be oblivious to the need to do more than “execute better”, by which he means players. I’d say the execution is worse at the coaching level! I don’t expect much more than a little more Jones and LaFleur seems to be pinning his hopes on Watkins. Watkins was hardly a savior before he went down.

I’m starting to wonder if we get significantly better with Butkus and maybe no OC to give Stenavich perspective. He’s probably complicit in both the fatally flawed O and Butkus’ performance. No head coach should be blind to these types of serial issues and mistakes.

There’s no excuse at this point for this not to have been addressed beyond more than words. There are myriad signs that the entire offensive philosophy is self defeating and even then dysfunctionally coached at all levels. If ever there was a team with all the signs of leadership entropy, this one is it.

Who thinks we should trade a third-round pick and Amari Rodgers for Steelers WR Chase Claypool? He’d be cheap, and considering our past success of third round picks, it’d actually put ours in 2023 to good use.

you take Royce Newman, we should take Paul Newman or Edwin Newman. At least they knew what they were doing. Seriously get Royce out of there. I can't stand watching Rodgers running for his life or taking a sack on third down. Putting Jenkins back at guard should be a no brainer.

Ok so everyone knows the pass blocking is weak. Can anyone answer why this team continues throwing 40 times a game knowing that the pass blocking is weak? Is this not the very definition of insanity? Yes, the blocking needs to improve. Thats the low hanging fruit that anyone can see. But can we maybe stop putting the oline in a position to constantly fail by being completely one sided to the pass? Can we maybe stay balanced which has already proven to work and is the only way this team has won games this year? Can they maybe start giving help with chip blocks and the occassional double team? Or are we just gonna keep throwing 40 yard passes repeatedly and expect it to work while 12 keeps getting killed in the pocket? This isnt rocket science. If something isnt working, find a different way to do it or do something else entirely. People completely underrate how hard it is to come out and pass block 40+ times a game. Pass rushers are ridiculous in this league and everyteam has them. You must stay balanced. If you just line up and pass play after play after play, these guys are just gonna pin their ears back and come after the qb.

One issue I have that they don't discuss much. If your trying to be a run team you must spend the little time you have in practice practicing run blocking. Thus, unless I'm mistaken, your pass blocking wont be stellar due to the above. If you try to be both 50/50 run pass your kind of going to be avg at both it would seem. Kind of what I'm seeing with the Pack.

To me the issue is lack of time to do both due to union contract rules that have cut practice time way down. One would think, you only have time to really practice one or the other and if you try both, neither skill set will develop fully. Seems the teams I'm seeing that have good passing games tend to also have good blocking o lines as well. They cant all be lucky to have the best o linemen as well? Logic would say it comes down to the fact they practiced one thing and do it well.

Improve the Pass blocking or the run blocking?

Perhaps the answer lies simply in the talent of the players and their inability to perform one or either to an above average grade. Perhaps the issue is the Illusion of Complexity scheme that eludes them and the coaching staff, utmost and foremost.

It seems that every opponent's Defense knows what rabbit is being pulled from the MLF Hat of Illusion, except the Packer Offense.

Both the Packers OL and DL must take back the LOS. In addition to the OL being a hot mess, the DL
Has not been effective in the second half of the last 2 games. They need to play more aggressively and hold the point of attack. Thanks, Since ‘61