Biggest Winners, Losers, and Surprises from the Packers regular season

The Green Bay Packers head into the playoffs with a few players who surprised, disappointed, and shined this season.

The Green Bay Packers are yet again dancing in the postseason following a 2024 campaign that saw a remarkable defensive turnaround, an explosive offense, and too many self-inflicted blunders.

It was far from the season many thought coming into the year, after last season's playoff push led many to pick the still youngest team in football, the Packers, to be a Super Bowl favorite this season.

Regardless how the postseason plays out, this team looks and feels a year away until their young talent hits the stride that many forecasted they'd hit this season. After all, this is a team mostly comprised of second or third-year players who haven't entered their prime years and showed this year that development is still needed to sure up some funny business.

Through it all, there were some surprise performances and players who stood out for better or worse.

Biggest Surprises

Keisean Nixon

Coming off a season as the most targeted slot cornerback in the NFL, a 103.3 quarterback passer rating when targeted, and porous grades across the board, Keisean Nixon not only received a three-year extension but was thrust into a new role this season as a boundary cornerback with Jaire Alexander missing a large portion of the year.

There was rightful concern about whether the boundary was in good hands with Nixon. While yes, there are certainly more All-Pro-worthy cornerbacks out there, the results speak for themselves, and Nixon very well may have found a new home for his talents.

Nixon not only played the most snaps of his career, but in any season he's played at least 200 snaps, he also posted career-best PFF grades in coverage (60.7), pass rush (92.7), tackling (70.7) overall defense (64.5), and he found his footing again as a tackler.

In fact, Nixon led all cornerbacks with over five pass rush snaps in pass rush grade this season (92.7), his three forced fumbles were tied for the most, and his three sacks were second-best.

Call him a product of a new scheme, but previously, the Packers simply refused to let cornerbacks get after the quarterback. Nixon's speed made him a perfect candidate to change that narrative this year, producing cream of the crop results among his peers at the position.

Other elements to Nixon's game also became career bests this season, including reducing his missed tackles percentage down to only 10.2%, a 68.3% completion percentage allowed when targeted, and a commendable 8.9 yards allowed per catch was 16th best among all corners with at least 100 coverage snaps.

While Nixon still struggles to defend at the catch point, with only a 9% forced incompletion rate, he yielded an impressive 2.6 yards after catch, which is a substantial improvement from the 4.8 average last season.

Rashan Gary

2024 was far from the season that anyone, including Rashan Gary, would have expected. But there is both a good and bad surprise that came to Gary's season this year, one which might help explain the other.

The bad news is that Gary's pass rush production took a significant step backward. For a well-compensated, sixth-year edge rusher, it's far from encouraging to have the team's top pass rusher finish 31st among edge rushers in pressures (47), 26th in hurries (32), and 26th in sacks (8). And depending on the database, Gary, at best, has still only produced one double-digit sack season. Something that in itself is surprising that he was yet again unable to achieve this season despite how his violent play has made him such a menacing task in past seasons.

The Packers' disappearing pass rush act this season isn't solely on Gary, though. No Packers pass rusher started establishing any type of sustained disruption on the quarterback until week 11, and to Gary's credit, five of his eight sacks came in that stretch.

Similar to Nixon, Gary very well could have been a product of a new scheme that asked its edge rushers to play more outside contain and take long developing stunts rather than leveraging their strengths to attack the quarterback directly.

However, to the positive surprise then, Gary has always been a solid run defender, but this season he was an absolute force.

Not only were his 22 stops (plays that constitute as failure for the offense) in run defense good for 10th among all edge players, but 10.5% of Gary's snaps in run defense resulted in him being credited with a stop, and he was inevitable once he got his paws on a running back, resulting in a 2.5% missed tackle rate. Both held up as the second-best marks of all edge players with at least 200 snaps in run defense. Gary also finished with a career-best 30 total stops this season.

Yes, Gary is primarily paid a lump sum of cash to get after the quarterback. But if a team cannot stop the run, as the Packers have fallen victim to for years on end, they are eventually going to get exposed when it counts the most (i.e., Raheem Mostert 2019 NFC Championship). Gary has been the heartbeat of the Packers vastly improved run defense this season.

 

Honorable Mention: Evan Williams

Biggest Losers

Kenny Clark

Kenny Clark's disappointing 2024 campaign can be summed up by his dropping off from 10 sacks last season to only one this season.

Put simply, he was almost entirely a non-factor this season, and by watching every snap Green Bay played this year, it'd be very easy to forget Clark was even on the team. Of course, that is until noticing the $64 million extension he received before the year.

Again, Clark may have been the product of a new system and double teams, but even so, nothing schematically adjusted to put him in a better position, and no one around Clark seemed to statistically benefit from him taking on double teams when he did.

Clark went on to produce his fourth-lowest career total for combined pressures, hurries, and sacks this year (33), and his 57.1 run defense grade barely snuck inside the top 100 for all interior defensive linemen.

PFF grades aren't everything, sure, but all players are graded on the same scale, so barely cracking the top 100 at anything in one's position is not a good sign. Especially for a veteran turning 30 next season on a contract where Green Bay has an out after the 2025 season.

The defensive tackle class in the 2025 draft is fairly loaded. Even though Clark is fresh off his extension, his "burn the tape" type season cracked the door ajar to welcome a conversation around Green Bay potentially looking that route in the first round or two.

Quay Walker

It took roughly 2.5 years, but everyone finally got to see Quay Walker playing consistently good football for a few weeks after the Packers' week ten bye until missing the last three games.

But Quay's problems this season are a couple of things: off-ball linebacker is not a strongly valued position by the NFL right now, he doesn't produce many run stops, his coverage grade hit rock bottom this year, and he officially has an Edgerrin Cooper problem.

Walker's career has become the most recent chapter in a cautionary tale about drafting off-ball linebackers in round one. The past ten times that's happened have produced some severely underwhelming careers for the draft capital spent to obtain those players.

Another systemic issue for the Packers has been their middle-of-the-field coverage and Quay, despite his athletic ability, has been a leading culprit to that result.

Outside of three fairly solid games in pass coverage this season against Minnesota, Chicago and San Francisco, Walker finished 134th in PFF coverage grade for linebackers. While Quay definitely flashed the upside more late in the season, and while the Packers have remained invested in trying to get him going, his coverage abilities are simply not cutting it.

He also finished with the 41st most stops among linebackers, and there's a rookie he shares a film room with who has been playing out of his mind while Quay has been injured.

 

Honorable Mention: Dontayvion Wicks

Biggest Winners

Edgerrin Cooper

That rookie would be Edgerrin Cooper and it's safe to say the Packers are rostering what could very well be one of the premier off-ball linebackers in all football by as early as next season.

In 93 fewer snaps in run defense than Walker, Cooper finished with one more stop and four more tackles for a loss (13). In a scarce 491 snaps throughout 14 games, Cooper's 13 TFLs accounted for the second most among all off-ball linebackers. 

Cooper was simply everywhere on the field and embodied the torturing "Micheal Myers" persona he regularly posts on his Instagram before games.

He finished as the 4th highest-graded linebacker in the NFL (84.0) and posted the second-highest pass rush grade (90.1) with having four sacks. This, along with two NFC Defensive Player of the Week awards, very firmly confirms his top spot as the highest-graded rookie linebacker in the NFL and a top candidate for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

Cooper has also made a tremendous difference coverage-wise. His 84.1 grade in zone coverage was third highest among linebackers, and not only did he tally his first interception, but he house-called it. Because why not? Watching him play, it's hard to believe he's not a five-year veteran playing the best football of his career.

It's almost impossible to image Cooper is not leading all Packers linebackers in snaps next season. He has quickly become one of those players that the Packers can not afford to have on the sidelines with how he's played at an elite level across all phases of the defense.

Tucker Kraft

Another player who's playing at an elite level across all phases, except on offense, is Tucker Kraft aka 'Yac and Cheese'.

A player who has been a driver of the Packers' newfound, physical style of play, Kraft has quickly become a household name across the NFL fan-sphere this season.

With Luke Musgrave missing a large chunk of the season, Kraft had the opportunity to dominate the tight-end snaps. As a result, he turned in the most yard-after catch among all Packers (456) and led all tight ends in average yards after the catch (9.3).

Kraft, who excels at barreling through people, embodies not only what the city of Green Bay is all about but also the old-school, iconic grit of Packers teams of the past. His 419 run block snaps were second among tight ends, and he busts his tail to get his running backspace to operate.

The Packers have long been searching for their long-term tight end since losing Jermichael Finley to injury in 2013, and Kraft seems to have done that and broken the team's "third-round curse" in the process.

While the wide receiver room has had its ups and downs this season, Kraft remained steadfast as a reliable target for Jordan Love. Of tight ends with at least 25 targets, Kraft was sixth in quarterback rating when targeted (134.6).

The Packers can finally lay to rest the search at tight end. 

 

Honorable Mention: Zach Tom

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Based in Seattle, Austin's roots are in Wisconsin and he bleeds Green & Gold. He also currently writes for Lombardi Ave and has been featured on various Packers podcasts. Follow him on Twitter at @AustinKrueger_.

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stockholder's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:08 am

There are No Losers. Only winners.
They played. Some didn't.
Nothing ever works out like it should.
When so many get injured.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 08, 2025 at 03:31 pm

You sure like your gibberish.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:24 am

Obviously, when you go 11-6, and finish in the Top 10 in rushing, passing, scoring, and defense, then somebody was doing something.

Kenny Clark did not just suddenly forget how to play football. He was a Pro Bowl guy in 2023, but this was a position change for him. Additionally, his snaps were down....his whole career he's been over 75, 80% of the defensive snaps, and this year he was only at 63%. And part of that is because we used an 8 man rotation on t he DL to keep everybody fresh for the season. That's over 100 fewer snaps for him, in a new position.

We were very good this year at STUFFING THE RUN. 7th in yards, 3rd in yards/attempt. Much, much better than previous season. Did Kenny Clark have anything to do with that? My suspicion is that he did, just like Gary did. And some of the other guys . Everybody who wanted us to be better against the run this year should be happy.

Of course, I don't care much about stuffing the run, I care about points. Points-wise, we are a better defense than we were last season, and Clark and Gary are part of that. And VanNess and Wyatt and Brooks and Wooden and Enagbare and Slaton. This is a good bunch of run stuffers that the Packers have assembled.

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AustinKrueger's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:33 pm

Not sitting here calling Kenny Clark bad but he’s in a tough position after a tough season.

Packers can walk after next season, which he’ll be 30 at that point. Yes he undeniably is a factor in making the linebackers jobs easier, not taking that away either. But other DTs got double teamed more and still made more impact. So either Clark is not working in this scheme or his play is declining. Lose/lose. But hope year 2 with Hafley gets him right!

But regardless of returning players, it’s a very strong DT class this year and we saw with a very strong OT class last year Gute making sure he got a slice of that. DT play could most certainly be better in Green Bay and Clark is on the wrong side of his prime and coming off one of his worst seasons. Opens the door

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 05:55 pm

Regarding Clark specifically....

If the Packers cut or released or traded Clark after this season, we would save about $10.5M in salary and roster bonuses. We'd still have a commitment of about $10M in restructures and signing bonus. In 2026, his salary and roster bonuses add up to $20M, about twice as much as 2025.

I'm not really clear on your point about other DTs drawing more double teams and still making an impact. The only defensive linemen with more tackles than Clark are Gary and Enagbare, and they're both DEs.

Clark leads all the DTs with 37 tackles. Wyatt had 23 and Brooks had 24. Slaton had 30. He also played more snaps than any other DT. And, all this happened while the defense was a top run defense, and top scoring defense.

I think Clark, Wyatt, and Brooks will all be back next year. We dress 4 DTs. So yes, we could go that way. Personally, I think the premium draft choices (Day 1 and 2) have better uses that a rotational Dlineman.

A strong DT class should mean that some good DTs will still be available later in the draft. I think the bigger need on defense is finding some guys who can cover.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 08, 2025 at 08:44 pm

"We dress 4 DTs."

Incorrect, they dress and play 5 every week.

He was comparing Clark to other DTs around the league not in the Packers and in that case he's correct. I haven't seen the end of year results but in November Clark was getting double teamed at the 3rd highest rate in the league. Of the top 5 Clark had the 2nd lowest pass rush win rate.

I think the toe bothered him for about half the season and he's been better lately but there's no doubt it's been a down year for him.

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AustinKrueger's picture

January 09, 2025 at 11:58 am

My point on DTs facing more double teams was about DTs around the NFL. A good amount of others were double teamed at a higher rate than Clark was and were still producing better results.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 08, 2025 at 09:02 pm

This is the deepest DT class in about 10 years and the deepest big man(320+) class in probably 20 years. 2019 was a very good year for 1st round talent at DT but this one is better overall. I think it makes a ton of sense to spend a 1st round pick on one this year as you're likely getting a guy in the 20s that most years would be a top 15 picks. My choice is Deone Walker from Kentucky. He looks almost svelte at 6'-6" 345 lbs, moves like a 310 lb guy and is country strong. Check him out on YouTube, he's got monster potential.

If you want pass rushing DTs you have to spend high picks on them. The hit rate after the top 50 is pretty miniscule.

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January 08, 2025 at 12:36 pm

first off, i reject that everybody cared more about the run. i certainly wasn't in that camp. I only care about points and stopping explosive plays.

that said, this is a forest for the trees debate (again). The sum of the parts equal the whole and the whole appears improved - (though I'd debate heavily that it was a scheme that provided the improvement rather than an infusion of talent)

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:12 pm

I remembered you as one of the voices of sanity on that. But we are too few, just as we're too few on this madness of punt returns. I mean, it was the margin of victory last week, and we could have prevented it by simply punting it out of bounds.

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Vachio's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:32 am

I said when we drafted him that Kraft was my pick to become the better of the two TEs. It certainly seems to be playing out that way now.

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T7Steve's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:52 am

I want those guys fighting each other for snaps when both aren't on the field together.

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Coldworld's picture

January 08, 2025 at 11:49 am

They are as different as they come despite both being TEs. I’d like to see Musgrave forcing us to keep a WR off the field more than Kraft or a blocking TE.

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T7Steve's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:03 pm

I still see him high pointing some passes in the endzone, or short yardage first downs plays that the LBs can't get to. Yes, it doesn't have to be either or with Kraft, but I want him to fight to get on the field.

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January 09, 2025 at 08:11 am

If Musgrave doesn't show next Summer Camp, he may be moved. I would still draft another TE in MAy..

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:40 pm

I want to see both on the field in 12 personnel...A LOT...Sunday afternoon.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:01 pm

Kraft is a really good blocker. A lot of the success that we're having on the ground is because Kraft is consistently getting his guy blocked. He's a good receiver and runs well with the ball, too, but it's those other plays, where he doesn't get the ball, that he's really contributing to the team.

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dobber's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:43 pm

TE who don't block are really WR.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:13 pm

That's always how I look at it. I see the TE as the 6th offensive lineman, who is also an eligible receiver.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 08, 2025 at 03:36 pm

Tucker Kraft is an improving blocker that still whiffs too much. I think, like Rhyan, he looks to bury guys on every play and will eventually learn to control that urge and focus on getting the job done with the pancakes being bonuses.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 05:57 pm

Again, our TE's whiff, Myers is no good, etc. How on Earth did we manage to get a first down this year?

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splitpea1's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:39 am

Additions to winners: McKinney, who totally justified the big signing with his play and leadership. We knew he was good, but now he might have a chance to be an All-Pro along with Kerby Joseph...Jacobs, who justified letting Aaron Jones go and becoming the focal point of our offense; scored 16 TDs, a career best...McManus: all he does it put the ball through the uprights since he got here.

Clark: Wow. I hate it when the Packers hand out big second or third contracts to their own guys and either don't produce or get injured. Obviously this sort of thing isn't endemic to the Packers, but it seems like we've had more than our fair share of this lately.

Trending down: Jayden Reed. Although he leads the team in receiving yards, he been somewhat of a disappearing act lately and has fumbled a couple of times. I thought he'd be a 1000-yard receiver for sure, but it didn't happen.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:48 am

I looked this up this morning. We had 10 defensive guys who played at least %50 of the snaps: McKinney, Nixon, Bullard, Walker, McDuffie,Clark, Gary, Stokes, Wilson, and Valentine. Those are the guys that are on the field for us most of the time. They are all under contract for next year except Stokes, Wilson, and McDuffie.

The next 5 are Enagbare, Cooper, Williams, Brooks, and VanNess. And rounding out the 21 guys we dress we have some guys like Slaton and Wyatt, Wooden, Cox, Mosby, Ballantine. Alexander played 33% of the defensive snaps, Preston Smith played 28%.

By my count we could return 13 of our 17 top defenders without resigning any of our guys (I think Slaton , McDuffie, Wilson are all worth keeping on the team, but not if it's going to cost money). We'll certainly add a defender or two to the mix. I've argued that we should trade Alexander because he's not really helping us, he's not getting younger, and he'll cost us $18M in salary and bonuses next year that we could perhaps use to help the team in other ways.

In short, I think we're going to have most of the same guys back on defense next year. This year's rookies might be better next year, and we might add a guy in the draft that has an impact, but mostly it's going to be the same people next year. One or two guys who can cover could make a big difference.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 09, 2025 at 08:43 am

your arguments about Alexander would be stronger if you'd made the same ones about Elgton Jenkins.

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Coldworld's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:49 am

Winners you missed:

Josh Jacobs. Half the world thought he might be past it after last year. He’s broken tackles at a stellar rate and carried the O despite a mediocre IOL.

Emmanuel Wilson and Chris Brooks. Wilson finished 9th in YPC for backs with 100+ carries. He was second in the league in win rate. Most thought he’d be lucky to make the team. Brooks didn’t make his first one and yet landed here and showed he’s NFL roster worthy.

Williams. Pre injury, he looked like a stellar playmaker in the making. A later round pick who proved much more of a footballer.

McKinney. He proved he was worth it.

Eric Wilson. A ST star and journeyman who proved he can consistently be an adequate starter and often outplayed Walker. Anderson could be the next to prove he’s competent on D, but it’s too small a sample.

Brandon McManus. Possibly out of football. Now definitely not. Needs to return next year. Should possibly be our first off season transaction to resign him.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:46 pm

A good list. I concur. I would also add Tom, the Rodney Dangerfield of O lineman. He's looking like another 4th rounder lineman who was consistently good from rookie season until injuries ended his career: Bakhtiari.

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Coldworld's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:03 pm

Tom, to me, was already ascended. Good to see him get recognition, from PFF at least, as their first team all pro. I nearly mentioned Jenkins, because it’s the first season he’s matched his pre injury years really.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:17 pm

Jenkins is long in the tooth and very expensive as a guard. In my mind he is destined for center if he's here next year.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 06:06 pm

I think that Jenkins has one more season in Green Bay. He's going to count $17.6M against the 2025 cap,but then the next year it's another $7M on top of that for $24M, with about $20M of that being salary and roster bonus.

We're going to want to resign Tom, so that's where we can save about $20M. He's going to be the guy on the line that gets paid and everybody else will be on a rookie deal. If Runyan got $10M/year for 3 years, then isn't Tom worth $20M, or close to it?

We just can't afford to pay Jenkins and Tom and Walker and Rhyan and Doubs. As I've said, Tom should be the priority here.

I think we can draft a starting Center, just like Myers and the guy before him. He'll have Jenkins on one side and Rhyan on the other so that should help him get up to speed.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:48 pm

spent a first round pick on a tackle. he's going to play.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:18 pm

On this OL, Zack, the best O lineman all season deserves a cookie to be on the Winners' List...especially after the worst OL Myers, gets Pro Bowl alternate recognition.

Rodney Tom.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 08, 2025 at 03:41 pm

Brooks is the type of player that Parcells would take with him from team to team until he was too old to play and then see if he was interested in coaching.

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T7Steve's picture

January 08, 2025 at 10:50 am

Now, all they have to do is pass to a (any) tight end more than 2 or three times a game. Difficult, if they have to help pass protect constantly. A little chip and slide into an open space as a relief valve would be something to give defenses nightmares.

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LLCHESTY's picture

January 08, 2025 at 03:45 pm

Kraft should be targeted 8-10 times a game when teams are playing man coverage against the Packers. He is top 10 in every TE metric but catches, where he finished 18th.

Having said that I doubt Fangio changes his spots much even though the Packers have struggled against man all year. The Eagles got where they are playing mainly zone and I doubt he switched it up big time like Flores did.

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January 08, 2025 at 10:56 am

When the season is over a full analysis of where we need to upgrade and what free agents we need to sign and how much we need to spend on our upcoming 5th year players will need to be done. I thought that Quay might be more involved in stopping those plays in the flat and obviously from the Minnie game and others - we are vulnerable there. With the new running QB's we definitely need more speed and a spy who can assess the play and make the tackle. At least it looks like that we have a Kicker , we have a ball hawking Dback , a great backup QB- and we have most of our impact guys under contract. It also seems that we need to sign a field stretching receiver as Watson is a walking bandaid. But I like our team and while we definitely had some coaching issues and holes in the lineup - we are the youngest and improving team ( with the exception of certain games)

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 08, 2025 at 11:30 am

I don't like the term biggest loser. Because to me its not a mentality I want to go with.

But based on this I would say for me the biggest "losers" are:

AJ Dillon -
While we don't know where he would have been in the pecking order, but seeing Jacobs come in and do what he has done, and Wilson and Brooks come in and do what they have done, and they haven't even been able to use Lloyd yet only to see a few highlights. I just don't see Dillon brought back even if he is able to. And with his injury who knows if he will be able to go again.

Watson -
Only reason why i put him on this list is because he blew up his knee in the last game of the season. Which now means he will most likely miss half of next year in a contract year. I really feel for him. Hopefully he can come back next year and give us a boost when he can go.

For Winners:

Cooper -
He is flat out a stud. We have only seen a bit of what he can do and what he can do is really good. Once he learns it all watch out.

Jacobs -
He has transformed our RB position. He runs with so much power and authority, and has plenty of wiggle to make people miss. He has been a tremendous pickup.

Kraft -
He has shown us he is our TE1. He has great hands, blocks really well, and is able to run through guys. He has a bit of an old school mentality that he is just going to blow you up when he has a chance.

Evan Williams -
He has been a vital part to the defense. There is a huge difference when he is on the field vs when he isn't. I will say though that this last week i thought Oladapo was pretty good overall. Hopefully if Williams can't go Oladapo gets the nod.

Surprises

Rhyan -
When they drafted Morgan, most thought he was going to move inside and take the job from Rhyan. And while Morgan was rotating with him before his injury, since then Rhyan has really improved and has been pretty good.

Cox -
Basically until the Bye he didn't get any playing time. Since the bye he has gotten a lot more playing time and he has 4 sacks since. I thought pass rush suffered this last week without him too. Hopefully he can go this week.

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January 08, 2025 at 12:52 pm

I think Morgan's nagging injuries elevated Rhyan. Morgan would get going then aggravate the shoulder that plagued him from camp until IR. I don't believe Rhyan will beat out a healthy Morgan at RG.

But perhaps Morgan will beat out Walker next season and Rhyan will be the favorite at RG again.

On the Packer OL, they do like to start their favorite 5. Hopefully next year, with the addition of another top talent in the draft in the first 3 rounds...and another late round prospect or FA, especially at C, the OL will eventually end up being the Best 5.

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RCPackerFan's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:00 pm

Since Morgan has went out Rhyan I feel like has really played well.

I think Morgan will be on the left side next year. Whether its LT or LG. I could see them moving Jenkins to C if they let Myers go.

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Coldworld's picture

January 08, 2025 at 05:41 pm

The platooning thing is a Stenovich thing that accepted wisdom and other current teams militate against. The goal for the world is to get as settled an OL az possible and let them develop as a unit in synch with each other. The rest of the world has one view, Stenavich another. Myers finally threatening to blossom may be yet another sign that the world has the better of it

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January 08, 2025 at 11:46 am

LVN. At this point in time Kyler Fackrell (remember him?) was showing more upside. Please, please, please somebody coach this dude up and show him some moves. He's very athletic and fast but his real football play making ability needs a lot of improvement.

Marshawn Lloyd. Season lost. What maybe might we see in 25? Here's hoping all the illnesses, ailments and general bad luck is behind him.

Jordan Morgan. Another season mostly lost. Hopeful for a rebound and possibly a long term contributor.

Ty'ron Hopper. Yeah, we almost forgot about this third round pick. He barely sniffed the field in meaningful snaps beyond just ST kick coverage duties. Inquiring minds want to know why GB took him at least two rounds ahead of his projection.

I bring up these names because they were all in rounds 1-3. The 25 draft is going to be very important (like all drafts aren't?) and hopefully GB can find some immediate contributions for D-line, CB, and now maybe even WR.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:31 pm

I think Tyron Hopper didn't get on the field because McDuffie, Walker, Cooper, and Martin mostly stayed healthy and played well. McDuffie and Martin could both leave in FA, and then well have Hopper, who's been developing for a year, to step in.

I think you're being unduly harsh on Van Ness. He's not going to play ahead of a healthy Gary, and Enagbare also is going to play. Nonetheless, VanNess is one of our Top 11 defenders by measures like tackles, tackles for loss, QB hits, sacks.

Two seasons, two different DCs, two different schemes. I liked Kyler Fackrell, but Van Ness has a lot more upside than Fackrell.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:06 pm

Martin Wilson?

Hopper will be on the field next season. Shoot, it took Cooper over half the season to finally take meaningful, then most D snaps.

I never evaluate a player's worth and success based on draft position vs draft "projection". "Experts" like Mel Kipper miss A LOT with their "projections". But you rarely hear about those.

Excellent coaching and a player's willingness to take it, learn, work hard and grow can take a 4th rounder and turn him into Zack Tom and a 7th into Rasheed Walker. And the reverse can take high "projections" and turn them into Caleb Williams and Justin Fields.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:21 pm

Caleb Williams and Justin Fields, oooh, that might leave a mark.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:21 pm

Yeah, Martin Wilson. Good catch.

I think our preferred group of LBs for next season will include Cooper,Walker, and Hopper. I'd like to bring either McDuffie or Wilson back if it wouldn't cost a bunch. We usually only dress 5.

It's odd that you would mention Tom and Walker as Day 3 guys who became solid starters for us,because I regularly hear from a guy here that we don't have a very good Oline coach. It's refreshing to know that other people can see the results.

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jimtalkbox's picture

January 08, 2025 at 12:02 pm

I'm willing to give some of the defensive players a "pass" due to the new system but it seems obvious to me that the offense needs to run through 3 people: Jacobs, Doubs and Kraft.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:23 pm

Keep the ball in the hands of the guys who can win the game for you, the guys who have produced all season. Jacobs needs at least 20 touches, and I wouldn't mind Doubs and Kraft getting 15 targets between them.

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GregC's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:03 pm

It's easier to name winners than losers, because it was a pretty good season overall. I'm reluctant to criticize anyone too much because I tend to look at a team in terms of units rather than individuals. As Leatherhead pointed out, Kenny Clark was in the middle of a defense that performed very well, and it's not like he was getting run over by people. For that matter, I don't think Quay Walker was that bad either.

This team is not limited by having bad players, it is limited by not having enough great players. An example is the wide receiver group. Coming into the season, I thought that although we didn't have a #1 WR, we had four #2s. Well, it turns out that it was more like three #3s and a #4 (Wicks.) Christian Watson unfortunately got hurt just when he seemed to be separating himself from the pack. We really needed that development from within, and we just didn't get it.

I'll withhold final judgment until the season is over though. We'll see what happens in the playoffs. You can't judge a season when the most important part has yet to be played.

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AustinKrueger's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:51 pm

Article was specifically focused on regular season results. Post season aside, we can reflect on the fully played out 18 weeks.

Again, didn’t call Clark bad here. He’s simply in a tougher situation now after this season was far from his best and he’s on the wrong side of his prime. And Green Bay can move on after next year. AND a stacked DT class in the draft this year. Clark’s play was not up to standards or expectations, that’s obvious and I’m sure he’d admit the same. Other DTs faced more double teams and produced far better results so that’s a cop out w/ Clark.

I do think scheme played a large reason as to why as well. But then to the point on Quay, if Clark was playing well in the scheme then the LBs job becomes easier. Quay does not make playing linebacker look easy. The data and eye test back that up. Cooper is what you look for, Quay has been the definition of a replaceable level talent aside from a small stint this season of playing better. A couple post season games (at most) won’t change what has been consistently been the level of play for someone 3 years in now.

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LambeauPlain's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:13 pm

"Walker's career has become the most recent chapter in a cautionary tale about drafting off-ball linebackers in round one."

Does the Chapter of Caution for off-ball linebackers suddenly become less cautionary once they are a high second round selection like Cooper?

I am still believing Quay next to Edge will be the best LB nickel tandem we have seen on the defense all season. Hope he can go Sunday.

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Bitternotsour's picture

January 08, 2025 at 01:22 pm

not just go on Sunday, go without restriction.

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 02:29 pm

Walker and Cooper make a good pair in the nickel. I actually like the entire front 6 in the nickel.

Gary-Wyatt-Clark-Enagbare/VanNess

Walker- Cooper

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sugarbair's picture

January 08, 2025 at 06:49 pm

That D-line will get your secondary killed. Zero pass rush. Walker's sneak up behind you and tackle you 5 to 8 yards down field. Love the Cooper pick. GPG

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Leatherhead's picture

January 08, 2025 at 09:10 pm

I don't know if that's true. But this group can stuff the run.

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