Around the NFC North: Hello Off-Season
Hahahaha
By Mike Price

Apparently there is a limit to how many injuries, coordinator interviews and nonsensical trick plays one team can do and if you go past that limit you get stomped by the Commanders. Love it.
Lions
The Lions fell to the Commanders, 45-31.
Game Notes
- The Lions offense out up plenty of yards and points and David Montgomery got back in on the fun with 7 carries for 28 yards, they just had to depend on Jared Goff too much. Goff had 23 completions for 313 yards and a TD on 37 of his attempts. He also threw three picks. The other stats are great and emblematic of the Ben Johnson offense in Detroit, the three picks happen when your QB is Jared Goff.
- For three years straight the Lions have prided (get it) themselves on the run game and in this one they couldn't stop the Commanders at all and only got star running back Jahmyr Gibbs 14 carries. That doesn't work. Remember when the Packers were in the peak Aaron Rodgers era and every once in a while a team would come and play press man with cover-2 over the top and we couldn't do anything. The Lions are the reverse of that. If they can't run the ball they won't win. Even worse, if they run a trick play to have a wide receiver throw an interception down double digits they won't win.
- A lot of that is because of the defense. They gave up 481 yards and 45 points to the Commanders. Massive numbers. They made Jayden Daniels look like the best QB in the NFC. A few years ago his teammates were packing his bag for him when he entered the transfer portal. I know about the injuries and that's tough but 45 points in a playoff game isn't gonna cut it.
- We talked about how the path forward is rough for the Vikings last week, it might be worse for the Lions. They lost both coordinators to head coach jobs and the d-line coach became the Patriots defensive coordinator. It's likely that a few more position coaches will leave as those teams all fill their staffs.
- The contract side isn't terrible, and we'll get into more of this as we do off-season previews in the coming weeks, Carlton Davis and Kevin Zeitler are the only big free agents. They do have to worry about paying DJ Reader, Aidan Hutchinson, Alex Anzalone, Amik Robertson, Jameson Williams, Kerby Joseph and Jake Bates are all free agents in 2026. In that season Jared Goff will count $69.6mm against the salary cap. LOL.
Bears
The Bears hired Lions offensive coordinator Ben Johnson as their head coach.
Head Coach Hiring Notes
- Johnson was, of course, the worst possible hiring for us. He has been the best offensive coordinator in football for the past three years and seems to really have a knack for combining unique scheming and teaching. Pairing him with Caleb Williams, who has an outside shot of being the best QB in the division come week 2, has the potential of being an absolute nightmare in a division that may already have three of the top six or seven head coaches in the NFL.
- Of course, this all ignores the Bears of it all. They've had the next great QB and offensive genius head coach 20 or 30 times by now and it hasn't worked. It's admittedly a bummer that they got the next rising star as head coach, but there are some bright spots for the good guys.
- The first is the obvious cringe of Johnson calling out Matt LaFleur in his press conference. How many Bears head coaches or GMs have used their first Bears press conference to talk about the Packers? It's like you move to Chicago and some sort of brain worm invades your skull.
- The other obvious thing is the offensive line. The Lions' offense is built around having the second-best o-line in football. They run the ball at will and protect a QB like Jared Goff enough that people think he's good now. The Bears' offensive line is not that. According to PFF it's the 24th-best o-line in the NFL and their best interior lineman, Tevin Jenkins, could be leaving this off-season. The Bears are going to need to spend a ton of capital on the offensive line to bring the team up to Ben Johnson's used to.
- The other bright spot is that Johnson is leaving Detroit. It's easy to see that offense cratering without him. If the Lions get worse and the Bears stay meh it's the best-case scenario.
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Mike Price is a lifelong Packers fan who recently moved from Utah to Stoughton (a Madison suberb). You can follow him on twitter at @themikeprice.
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Comments (40)
stockholder
January 24, 2025 at 10:18 am
Trick plays or a dual threat?
Daniels is just that.
Dragon5
January 24, 2025 at 10:45 am
NFC North or AFC West; which division will reign superior👑 in '25?
AFC West head coaches:
🏈Chiefs: Andy Reid
🏈Broncos: Sean Payton
🏈Chargers: Jim Harbaugh
🏈Raiders: Pete Carroll
Makes you think, don't it? 🤔
dobber
January 24, 2025 at 12:37 pm
Remember 2014-ish when all these coaches were fielding great teams?
Cheezehead72
January 24, 2025 at 02:15 pm
Remember those that cannot play coach. Not worried about the coaches except for Andy (I Am the Walrus) Reid. But I will admit the AFC West can be very good.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 25, 2025 at 09:54 pm
The NFC North won a total of 0 playoff games. I'm still salty and licking my wounds about that and I'm not a betting man, but my money's on that cast of characters doing more in 2025.
BuckyBadger
January 24, 2025 at 10:49 am
Well the vaunted NFC North went 0-3 in the playoffs.
I know a lot of analytics say that I was wrong but I thought the schedule was easier for the North teams hence the high win totals. A lot of analytics include teams inside the division win % when doing strength of schedule and I don't do weight those the same when I crunch my numbers. The NFCN played the NFCW and the AFCS to make up 8 of the 17 games with 6 divisional games and 3 determined by how you finished. By a lot of analytics the Packers had one of the stronger SOS because of the win totals brought by Lions and Vikings. IMO those teams had inflated win totals because of the schedule they faced. The Vikings where frauds once again with very few quality wins outside of their victories over the Packers. Next best one was Houston or Seattle.
I think the NFC North is wide open again but I am not sure I see a team ready to make the jump to being a true title contender. Lions have a ton of work to do on Defense and after next year the Goff contract will start to count big against the cap, their window is closing fast. Vikings still need a QB and I don't think McCarthy is the answer. Their D was good again but when a D blitzes that much to be effective the fall for them is just around the corner, that is very hard to sustain. The Bears might have the best roster moving forward if Caleb is the player others think he is (I was never sold on him). Packers are similar to the Lions in that the QB contract will start to count heavier vs the Cap soon and they have holes to be filled.
Bitternotsour
January 24, 2025 at 10:59 am
Caleb Williams ain't it. No internal clock. Playground player. Ben Johnson's fancy plays are going to result in Caleb holding the ball for 18 seconds while taking 30 yard sacks. They drafted the wrong guy (again). Bears needed a culture change not a shiny new object, they hired the wrong coach. Could have realistically hired Carroll, I doubt McCarthy would have taken that job.
Detroit won a lot of games. They might again. They'll always fail in the playoffs because of that DNA. Campbells persona will likely wear thin soon (at least with the players).
The Vikings are fucked.
Dragon5
January 24, 2025 at 11:29 am
The status quo is that the Bears stigma won't change. Past performance is not indicative of future results. While Johnson is not a proven HC, he is in the OC role. Bears have a solid defense, high draft slot, cap $$$, 2 elite WRs, and a very elusive, promising QB. They will likely get the OL improved from average to above average in '25 and much of the blame in '24 should probably go to WIlliams holding on the ball too long in reference to sacks taken, an expected fault in rookie QBs. If Johnson's system can make Goff a solid starter with the right pieces surrounding him, I feel just as strong about William's success, if not more, provided a similar cast. With the majority usually proven wrong, I'll take the other side and say they will drastically improve in '25. The big difference heading into the '25 season is likely to be the players will buy in; confidence is dangerous.
Bitternotsour
January 24, 2025 at 12:06 pm
Goff won a NFC championship game and had been in a super bowl prior to joining the lions, and was also the first player chosen in his draft class.
Caleb Williams ain't it. Sorry, you guys screwed the pooch yet again.
CheesePuff
January 25, 2025 at 03:27 am
Agree. Love Johnson’s comment during his recent press conference: “To be quite frank with you, I kind of enjoyed beating Matt LaFleur twice a year.”
dobber
January 24, 2025 at 12:41 pm
I think DCs will go after Williams, but if you put a good OL in front of him with Odunze and Moore, I think he's going to be able to put up points. It may be that he's Jared Goff 2.0 only a more athletic. If they go after defensive players and skill position guys (RBs) in this draft, they'll make Johnson's road tough.
Coldworld
January 24, 2025 at 01:38 pm
Goff gets the ball out fast and processes fast. He reads the field very well. That’s a very very long way from where Williams is and has been. Anything is possible, but I see them as very different for many other reasons than mobility.
Starrbrite
January 24, 2025 at 01:32 pm
Bitter—an excellent point about the persona wearing thin. These Billy Martin (rah-rah) types have a short life span. They are the Joan of Arc’s that flame out quickly. And when you don’t win the big game(s), every detail is magnified. I’ve several times called Campbell a big dufus—let’s see if I need to eat crow now that Johnson and Glenn have departed.
croatpackfan
January 24, 2025 at 11:06 am
I would like to hear from that idiot who claimed that Mike McCarthy will be next Bear's HC now... He was so, so sure...
Starrbrite
January 24, 2025 at 01:34 pm
Yes—and there were a number of so-called experts claiming the same.
Cheezehead72
January 24, 2025 at 02:17 pm
I was hoping he would get it because I believe he would not have done much.
Leatherhead
January 24, 2025 at 11:09 am
Once again. The Lions have peaked and are in decline. They were in the Championship last year, this year they didn't win a playoff game, and now they're losing both their coordinators. I've been following the Lions since before the merger, and 2023 is their peak season over the last 50 years. They won't win as many games next year.
The Vikings had a remarkable season. OConnell is like 34-17 in the regular season, but he hasn't won a playoff game yet.
Bears will be better. But remember, in 2023 they were 7-10, then they jettisoned their coach and QB. This is an organization that will always find a way to screw it up. It is their destiny.
Coldworld
January 24, 2025 at 11:25 am
We don’t know what the Lions will be. We knew what the vulnerabilities were last year but failed to exploit them. Next year will be a different challenge but probably after they improve their defensive talent. Campbell may have got lucky with both Coordinators, or he may be an excellent judge of talent and fit. Only time will tell.
In Minnesota, it looks like the same off field leaders and a different QB, possibly. That may be a good thing or a bad thing. Since we couldn’t rattle Darnold, it may be neutral for us unless our pass rush improves dramatically or they make the wrong choice. Perhaps we can decode Flores’s D, likely with reinforcements, in a way we couldn’t this year. Other teams have now given us a crib sheet.
Who knows if Johnson is going to be a good head coach. The Bears seem to be trying to hedge their bets by hiring ex HCs around him. We will see if Campbell elevated him or the other way around, but the demands of head coaching are very different and he’s still saddled with Poles who is surely in the last chance saloon and thus desperate for early improvement.
This season our eyes should be more on our own deficiencies. After all, we barely beat Chicago once even without a head coach they thought worth keeping.
Leatherhead
January 24, 2025 at 11:57 am
This season, our eyes should be on our strengths, because that's what wins you games. You see weaknesses. I have no doubt that you don't like a beautiful girl's smile if she has a slightly crooked tooth. That's how you see things.
Detroit lost both coordinators.....they aren't going to win that many games again next year. I'd bet a six pack of Pabst on that.
Bitternotsour
January 24, 2025 at 12:21 pm
make strengths stronger. the offense needs to score more points, and earlier.
detroit may win a lot of regular season games, but they will resort to form in the playoffs, should they blunder their way in.
Coldworld
January 24, 2025 at 12:35 pm
Nope, I see both. We need to recognize what they are and expand on the good and root out the weak. Only seeing one is a recipe for failure. Only being willing to see one is a guarantee of that.
barutanseijin
January 24, 2025 at 02:19 pm
Focusing on the weaknesses rather than strengths is also the modus operandi of bad sports teams. Look at the Bears, the Jets, losing baseball teams... Bear fans bitched about Lovie and were always clamoring for receivers or some other glitzy addition, but the strength of those teams was the defense and Lovie’s steady hand. They’ve never had a coach as competent as Lovie since.
Starrbrite
January 24, 2025 at 01:41 pm
Yes—and a good QB shreds the “blitz every play” dcoords like Flores—it works until it doesn’t.
I have called for more frequent blitzing from Hafley, but for moments such as Spagonola et al use them. When your dline is doing nothing (as ours) you have to be creative.
pacman
January 24, 2025 at 11:15 am
It hits me that the discussion of a teams success is all around the O and D coordinators. How about the head coach and players? Are those more important? Is it the game planning or the in game calls?
To me, all the coaches are lumped together as far as planning goes. Do they have plays prepared for their players. But the in game calls come down to 2 guys. The DC and whoever calls the plays. That's often the make or break in the game.
For the Packers, we've talked about MLF and game calls. A lot of people aren't happy with him now. Hafley seems to be getting some good comments for his first year considering the injuries. Other than the D line, that is. Getting a call for a head coach job after 1 year in the league does seem a stretch to me though.
Seems strange that the Packers might be the most stable organization at the moment. A lot of us seem to think we need more shaking up too.
Going into hibernation soon.
dobber
January 24, 2025 at 12:48 pm
"Going into hibernation soon."
That's what Virginia McCaskey said...
Starrbrite
January 24, 2025 at 01:53 pm
I’m baffled by those confident in what Hafley has allegedly accomplished—and what is/was it he turned around—our pass rush?
Does anyone remember the bears game—the playoff game against Philly—there first td when Hurts stood in the pocket long enough to undertake 5 additional concussion protocols and a top secret background check.
What exactly has Hafley accomplished—Bueller - Bueller?
Bitternotsour
January 24, 2025 at 05:16 pm
he went from 10th in scoring defense to 5th. does that count as an accomplishment? there are other metrics I suppose, but points is how they mete out wins/losses. it's the only metric that matters.
AnotherPackFan
January 24, 2025 at 08:45 pm
Starrbrite, there is no doubt the team finished the season in the dumps. Both offense and somewhat defense. But you are either kidding or stupid when you ask what changed this season under Hafley?
Its been covered here on CHTV before but just to recap a couple of metrics,
Def. ranking in terms of yds allowed per game went from 22nd to 4th
Def. ranking in terms of points allowed per game went from 14th to 6th
Remember how we all complained about getting gashed by opponents running game.
D ranking in rushing yds/game allowed went from 28th to 6th
Many other metrics including "advanced" ones like DVOA and EPA saw the defense move from somewhere ranked in the 20's to the top 7 or 8.
Sorry you missed the 2024 season.
GregC
January 24, 2025 at 11:55 am
I gave up reading this column halfway through the season because the analysis is so awful, but I figured I would give it a try this week. It isn't any better. For starters, it's called Around the NFC North, and he forgot to write anything about the Vikings. Oops!
The analysis of the Lions loss is rather odd, suggesting that the Lions lost because they couldn't run the ball. He mentions that Jahmyr Gibbs only got 14 carries but neglects to mention that Gibbs gained 105 yards in those carries and had two touchdowns. Of course they ran less often toward the end because they were behind by two scores. But the running game was actually really great.
Goff's interceptions are treated as inevitable, but he actually protected the ball really well this year except for the five picks he threw in a win at Houston. Goff had a great season. I think we just need to admit it and hope he doesn't play as well next year.
Bitternotsour
January 24, 2025 at 12:10 pm
Goff is > Williams. Not even close.
Coldworld
January 24, 2025 at 12:38 pm
Goff plus a very good OL is very good. He’s proved that over an extended period. Williams is an athlete we’ve never seen with a decent OL and thus we can’t sort out the deficiencies from the inexperience and chaos around him. It’s not even close at the moment, as you say. The odds are not favorable that any QB grows that much once starting or that the Bears fix their problems around him sufficiently quickly to allow that.
dobber
January 24, 2025 at 12:45 pm
"I gave up reading this column halfway through the season because the analysis is so awful,"
Remember this is only pseudo-analysis. It's more of a "why your team sucks" column written to the division.
Enjoy it! It's like being the Packers fan in a Bears/Lions bar only you don't get beat up on your way out the door!
Starrbrite
January 24, 2025 at 02:16 pm
Good one Dobby
SicSemperTyrannis
January 25, 2025 at 10:46 pm
And da Bares still suck
Lphill
January 24, 2025 at 01:24 pm
how about the Packers ignore the others in the division and just make things better ,we all know where the deficiencies are , go fix it and move forward act like a leader not a follower .
NJ-RICK
January 24, 2025 at 05:00 pm
Time for a NEW GM...!
Boneman
January 25, 2025 at 07:26 am
The NFL is a game of attrition and quality depth is of primary importance. The salary cap makes that extremely tough. Having quality drafts every single year and finding good deals in free agency is the way to go and that should sound familiar to Packer fans. Nothing will make any difference though if your QB doesn't play well. Neither will you make it to the SB if your team isn't on a good streak at the end of a long season. This is why it is sooo hard to win in the NFL. The Chiefs are a crazy anomaly but we should look hard at how they run their organization for some real clues.
1. They don't pay their players the big $. Only Mahommes and their big Defensive lineman Chris Jones and all world Travis Kelce have gotten big contracts from them. Everyone else is expendable including WR's, CB's, RB's, OL and Edge rushers. They reload in the draft and get good mid level FA's to fill out their roster and count on the 'next' man up strategy. No big ticket Rashan Gary's, Jaire Alexanders, Devontae Adams and David Bahkteiri's. No priviledged status due to money.
2. Stable system and organization. The coaching staff under Andy Reid devise their system based on the strengths and talents of their 'current' roster. No overriding philosophies for offense or defense. They base the level of aggressiveness in 'going for it' on games situations. In other words they strategize to win games devoid of any other considerations.
The Packers are very close. They should shed some of the remaining big contracts they are carrying (Gary, Clark), resign only players they can get for reasonable money, keep accumulating draft picks and keep going for premium players at WR and Defensive line. If we pay someone, make it count at a position tough to replace. Keep playing to your strengths in the run game but over emphasize preparation for 2 minute offense. Call defensive plays in crucial situations to win the game instead of the all too familiar 'safe' calls. GPG!
egbertsouse
January 25, 2025 at 07:48 am
“They made Jayden Daniels look like the best quarterback in the NFC.”
I got news for you, dude. Right now he is.
SicSemperTyrannis
January 25, 2025 at 10:50 pm
We'll find out in about 16 hours
PackFingGo
January 25, 2025 at 12:20 pm
I think the Pack will have some organizational advantages over division foes this year that won't persist long. It may be the last opportunity for a while to dominate the North. It wouldn't hurt to have that attitude reinforced. DOMINATE!