How many negative comments did Aikman make about Love last night...a few for sure...not seeing the field not leading the WRs with the pass, not throwing the ball away and taking massive losses....horrible game by a mediocre QB and coach...

The last time the Packers were led by the Defense was 1996. Fortunately the Offense was also potent and STs were very good.

The Packers again have a Head Coach who is primarily an OC who delegates 2/3rds of the team coaching duties to his coordinators. LaFleur lets them do the managing with their squads, make the decisions, while he focuses mostly on the Offense.

Like McCarthy, year 7 has the OC/HC LaFleur also stalling out. He's been figured out by DCs but seems unable to change.

Change may not be in his DNA. He is very status quo. Some may call him stubborn...I just believe he fears change, making difficult decisions that are never fun, but necessary as a leader.

Ed has some problematic policies to review. He inherited the Acting GM role. Let's see how he enjoys the current structure. The plate is filling up for the lawyer/financial expert.

Wow, when CheeseheadTV is permitting articles critical of the Packer Head Coach, you know things are getting bad in GB.

Welcome aboard Mark, many Packer fans have been there for sometime regarding LaFleur and the bandwagon keeps getting bigger. Plenty of room and welcome aboard.

ive had a few WTF moments when it come to the Packers in the last seven or eight years, two of the biggest were when the Packer hired MLF when other well known candidates were available but people said he's brilliant mind from the same coaching tree as McVay, and the other was when they drafted Love especially where they did in the draft....I never really grew to like either choice and I still don't...MLF's first couple of years looked great with Rodgers playing great ball and having a good team around him, and for Love many draft "experts" warned about him and his time in college, leading all of ncaa's in Int's ....neither person has shown any real growth to me in the last seven years....it is what it is...but losing twice at Lambeau in dreadful fashion has to catch the eye of Mr Policy...

"He will very likely turn things around and end up getting a contract extension in the offseason, but right now, his offense looks stale and poorly coached, and that has to change."

This made me throw up in my mouth when I read it.

Packer fans need more information re: Murphy's influence.

"(MLF) will very likely turn things around and end up getting a contract extension in the off-season..." You sure about that?

But to be fair, the offensive players just didn't execute at times. There were a couple of big dropped passes and an instance late where Jacobs went the wrong direction on a Love pass which erased the possibility of a big gain in crunch time. And that penalty on Kinnard was a killer.

With Golden and Kraft out, the team lacks shifty/slippery receivers that can make yards on their own and break tackles without the perfect play calls.

Offensive line: Will need to be reconstituted in the off-season. One of the uglier episodes was when Walker let an inside rusher free rein to the ball carrier in the backfield...I feel bad for Jenkins--and man, do we have a problem at center that has to be addressed in the off-season.

Defense: They played great last night, but remember the Eagles have been feast or famine all season long. They also have an OC problem, and anyone who visits Bleeding Green know how much they despise him...Nonetheless, the defense couldn't play much better than it did, and they deserve a ton of credit for carrying us all game long.

How will they fix the OL? Rhyan and Walker may be offered better deals. Banks may be let go as well. It takes years to form a good O-L.
GB does not have first round picks for two years and many of the best Linemen are snatched early.
I feel strongly that Gutekunst, if he remains (I do not think he should), cannot be in charge of selecting in the Draft.

This game tonite revealed many things
1 The MLF /.Love relationship is fractured
MLF clearly does not trust Love and Love realizes that and plays timid, unsure of himself and at times looks completely clueless
2 The consistent in game play calls have been atrocious at times exposing MLFs frustration at Love that results in numerous head scratching calls in the games most crucial moments.
3. There is an obvious and palpable DISCONNECT with play calling and players consistently making mental mistakes that cost the packers ANOTHER preventable loss.

People ....it's not getting better. It's getting WORSE!!
Week after week ...game after game we are the same issues with Love , Lafluer and the offense all together.
This relationship has run its course.
Either Love or MLF has to go at seasons end....
I think we all know who's staying and who's going. This team is fractured and what makes this mess even more painful is this organization is wasting a Superbowl caliber defense performance week after week. So sad and so unacceptable. This is not Packer standard. Changes must and hopefully will be made at seasons end

I believe that the principle of Occam's Razor (OR) should be in play with the Packers– which states when faced with multiple explanations for the same puzzle/problem – the simplest explanation is most likely correct. OR is also a method of troubleshooting – checking the most simple and obvious solution before moving on to the more complex ones.

It has become increasingly evident that the design, development and coaching of the Offense has become problematic. For a long time now. The person in charge and responsible for all facets of the O has been MLF. So this is where the problem-solving should begin. With the HC. After which to be followed by the regressive O-line play, inconsistent QB performances and WR drops.

That was unpleasant.

First possession, Love launches a surface-to-surface missile downfield that hits Watson in the back of the head. I'm under the impression that you have a better chance of a completion if the WR actually turns his head and looks for the ball.

After that, a long night of Love holding it too long, not seeing open guys, drops by Doubs, Wicks, and Melton.

Here's the unvarnished truth: We have a playoff caliber defense. We do not have a playoff caliber offense. You cannot win games by scoring 7 points.

It's back to the drawing board. The Packers have some time to figure out the offense before the stretch run starts, but if they don't/can't, then Policy is going to have to make some hard decisions. I, personally, cannot believe that in 9 games this year we've had scores of 7, 10, and 13. This is a better offense than that, but at some point, you are what your record says you are and our record says we are amazingly feeble on offense about 1/3 of the time.

Bring in the extra linemen on that play.

Go for the Hail Mary never know

Do a qb sneak I bet you get it

You don’t loose two at home and make the playoffs when you have 8 games at home

When has a Packer receiver caught the ball and ran like every other team

It’s all sit down routes and crossing routes that they run out of bounds

They are open you need them to get the ball

I don't recall a year that has been so spot on with numerology / astrology.  For the believers, the naysayers, and for those who quite frankly DGAF, remember it's not perfect--but it does provide an edge, and a handsome one at that (60%+ accuracy).

Gute an OX, continues to provide his enemy sign, Matt, a GOAT, a roster that falls short, particularly re: depth due to injuries.  I've stated many times this opposing management structure is unlikely to win a Lombardi.  Having reached critical mass this year, more people are awakening from their slumber to see the light--hell even Nags has appeared to flip his normally protective posture. For those calling for MLF's head now, why is there not the slightest mention of OC Adam Stenavich? (🐷year born, currently in enemy year of 🐍)

Last month, I stated expect more disappointment from Jenkins despite his return to pseudo health, whilst he too in his enemy year:

Dragon5
October 02, 2025 at 03:48 pm
Elgton Jenkins born 12-26-1995, a 🐷year. We're in the year of the 🐍 till Feb 17th 2026
🐷&🐍 = ENEMY SIGNS
As I outlay prior to every season, poor performance was to be expected; our GM is clueless to metaphysical science and how it can impact roster predicaments.

Dragon5
October 06, 2025 at 10:01 am
Elgton Jenkins and Adam Stenavich are the two 🐷 year born peeps on this team, currently in their enemy year of the 🐍, who are likely to continue to struggle through mid-Feb. In February, Bisaccia's enemy year will hit--what's the most likely outcome? Bye-bye Rich. Book it.

Last week I laid out, in detail, the 7 energy injury dilemma afflicting our roster this year.
Dragon5
November 05, 2025 at 08:18 am

Just can't shake injury prone 7 energy this year . Majority of it can be avoided at the GM position (Gute 👀) calling the personnel shots. Numbers don't lie...ask any executive officer. Most however, want to hold on to feelings / opinions.

<<Dragon5
September 19, 2025 at 02:39 pm

KRAFT DOB: 11-03-2000 11+3+2= 16 1 + 6 = 7 ✅
REED DOB: 04-28-2000 4+2+8+2 = 16 1 + 6 = 7 ✅
WICKS DOB: 06-16-2001 6+1+6+2 +1 = 16 1+ 6 = 7 ✅
VAN NESS DOB: 07-06-2001 7+6+2+1 = 16 1 + 6 = 7 ✅
WYATT DOB: 03-31-1998 3+3+1+1+9+9+8 = 34 3 + 4 = 7 ✅
MCMANUS DOB: 07-25-1991 7+2+5+1+9+9+1 = 34 3 + 4 = 7 ✅

All 7 life paths 👉7s most injury prone👈. Wicks & McManus also born on 7 days further increasing their odds of injury. Ditto for Wyatt as he's in a personal 7 year.>>

I gave the majority of the answers to the test before the season began, if only management knew 🤷‍♂️

Fire Matt lefluer before the season really gets going, Rich B. Can coach and Jeff Hatley too. I have suffered for 7 years with dummy Matt lefluer who is a terrible coach. Look at Chicago Bears with their Benny Johnson coaching them to possibly winning this division. Brian G. Should be Fired too. He passed on TJ watt

I wish Gutey was the GM...then he could be held accountable for poor team performance.

But as it is now, if Ed Policy is unhappy with the roster, he needs to replace the GM of Player Personnel...since Ed has now assumed Murphy's role as Acting GM of the Football Team...an 8 year experiment. Is he unhappy with the roster?

If Ed is unhappy with the team performance and overall record...he needs to make coaching changes if LaFleur is unable to...and the HC seems capable at being unable.

Or maybe Ed will decide being the GM of an NFL team is not in his wheelhouse and appoints a real GM to do the house cleaning.

In the parity driven NFL, the great equalizer is coaching. And there is no salary cap or "equity" provisions to keep the best coaches from going to the best teams.

A good roster with great coaching is usually in the playoffs making noise. A great roster with poor coaching is usually struggling to get to the post season. And a great roster with great coaching are usually SB favorites...hoisting Lombardi's.

It is clear as day (to me) that both MLF and Gutekunst have contributed to the failure of this team.
I don't see any other road back to excellence than firing both of them and hiring an authentic, competent GM who can then hire his own HC and coaches.
Policy needs to be in 'gathering information' mode right now. His father is well-connected and Policy should be talking to respected NFL execs and coaches right now. The best GM's and HC's will be in demand-he only has several months.
If Policy takes a half-hearted approach by keeping Gutekunst-be prepared for another poorly-constructed O-Line at the very least.

Matt LaFleur is 6-7 in the NFC North since Rodgers left. It’s hard to make a playoff run when you’re inferior against division opponents.
This season only illuminates the shortcomings of last season. My biggest take away is we have added draft picks, a safety, a running back, a pass rusher, a quality DC and we are worse than 2023.

Mercifully, I turned the game off after the first offensive series. It was the same old predictable offense we have come to expect from LaFleur. Run, run, maybe get a first down, a QB sack and a long throw on 3rd down. I have never turned off a GB game on Prime Time/MNF but here we are. From the stats I saw today, glad I turned it off. LaFleur is supposed to be the offensive guru and he is failing this team miserably. I don't care about his W-L record which was pumped up by Rodgers and Adams. I don't ever want to listen to one of his post game pressers ever again. He is a liability to this team, pure and simple.

Some guys got subtracted: Myers left in free agency, and then there have been guys lost to injury for varying durations.

Frankly, I’m not overly impressed with MLF, but I think he’s doing about all he can do with the lack of player and coaching talent he’s given to work with.

I think it’s time for an overhaul.

It seems hard to believe that MLF is not aware of a number of the offensive problems and is trying to address them. All the illegal formation penalties should NOT be happening. One one hand, while the player executes the fault by lining up incorrectly, the coach bears the ultimate professional responsibility for that lack of focus or preparation. This is on MLF and his staff. On the other hand, we're also watching they keystone cops masquerading as wide receivers -- Watson trying to catch long passes by using his helmet and not his hands, Melton using his shoulder pads and not hands, Jacobs turning the wrong way, Love not leading Watson into open space but instead into 2x coverage, etc. At times, it was clear MLF was frustrated on the sidelines and his patience is thinning out. Using Melton and Williams as WRs indicates how thin the group is (no Kraft, Reed, Doubs, Golden) and these guys just don't know what to be doing. The buck stops with MLF; he's also working with a very inexperienced group.

Why does the expensive and experienced FA Banks continued with the false starts? I got nothing for ya. Last night, Green Bay seemed to experience death by a thousand small cuts -- multiple players failing in a variety of smaller ways that added up. I'm talking the O. The D was great considering everything.

On ST, we only had one penalty? That might be a record for them! I cannot force myself to even talk about 'let's continue to play the still recovering from injury McMannus instead of a perfect kicker who broke GB's distance FG record a few weeks ago. Better to not let a player fully recover - and at a position where CONFIDENCE is key to success! - than trot out a kicker who's been perfect....Like I said, I just can't stomach opening up this topic!

Let me say this...we can fault MLF all we want, but the most boneheaded play call of the night clearly went to Sirianni going with an extremely low success play on the long throw on 4th and 6 at the end of the game. If Philly had lost, he'd've been deep roasted and served alongside Philly Cheesesteaks for the next month and deservedly so. Just punt the ball and pin the inept GB offense at it's 10 yard line with 30 seconds to go. Duh.

Guty changed the o line didn’t make it better made it worse.

Hes more at fault than MLF

Play Walker. And Tom. Rhyan and figure out who wants to play for a starting job for here on out.

I felt sorry for McManus Like what are you thinking. Go for Hail Mary for a win vs a tie and ot

Whadda mean?!? MLF looked good on the sidelines with his outfit all matching and his hair all coiffed and thousand-dollar beard groom and man-a-cure. He can't do all of this AND coach the team. Jeeze, give the guy a break. All this negativity will ruin his chances of landing on the cover of GQ. I, for one, am glad that this mentality rules in Green Bay (Gutey looks pimped out, too). Just imagine having a coach who dresses like Dan Campbell or Sean Payton...yuck! We have to remember that at some point, the team will always resemble the coach! Who would want that much unkemptness on the sidelines? Not me! I would rather look good than be good.

These are the main issues:
1. MLF over-delegates to Coordinators and then disappears
2. He refuses to fire under-performers
3. He essentially only obsesses over the Offense (not succeeding)
4. He thinks he is entitled to go out there and 'do his best' w/o feedback week after week after week....
I think a psychologist would say the Packers are providing the back-drop to work out some kind of childhood trauma
(it's not working, 'tho)

Gutekunst:
1. He gets to indulge in 'his favorite time of year'-(his words) and look for guys (early-rounders) no one else thinks are that good but he has special, Divine insight.
2. No one stops him, no one says, 'you have spent too much $$$ or Draft capital for a poor return on investment)
3.Whoopee-no consequences and better luck next year.
4. No apology or heart-felt acknowledgement as to how his 'guys' have failed the team-should I name all of them?
How about recent success stories such as Hobbs, Banks, Morgan, Belton--several in the past are Stokes, Savage, Van Ness, Josh Jackson, Amari Rodgers, etc.
5. He insists his first rounders play and play and play, often to the detriment of the team.