Success.

Entertaining football, with an element of artistry.

The occasional ability to blow a team's doors off.

Something to get me out of my seat.

That would do it for me.

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Stockholder,

For the umpteenth time, WE HEAR YOU...

"...Gute DESERVES TO BE FIRED"...
"...Love REALLY SUCKS"...
"...Gute DESERVES TO BE FIRED"...
"...Love REALLY SUCKS"...

Anything more?

Are you saying you have the Rx to be a happy fan?

sheeeesh CW.....after reading there isn't anything else I'd want to add other than if all this occurred I'd expect and want a 9+ win season.

Okay....how about this....Jordan Love plays so well everyone believes not only is Jordan a better QB than a 40-year old AR, but we fleeced the Jet's multiple draft picks and player(s), just so we could play the better QB.

Dreams? Nah. I think this is well reasoned taking everything into consideration.

Now’s the time for LaFleur and many others to shine.

This Packers team is not rebuilding. Rather, they’ve been doing so for years.

I found Bakhtiari referring to the Packers as “they,” today representative of what myself and many others thought the situation might be. He’s out of here following AR.

We will get that 13, 42 & 43. I’m convinced of that.

A WR corp that was deconstructed 2 years ago May find the Cherry that goes on top, along with some depth.

Safety appears to be well underway.

Pass rush improvements started last year, as did OL depth.

LBs are in.

DL has been transitioning to new blood for two years.

And on and on. Much to like, and we can imagine what that larger pick load will mean to us: resetting clocks at multiple positions with youth on 1st contracts, righting GB’s fiscal responsibility. One look at all OTC’s #s data on VOID years thrown around like a leaf blower illustrates this perfectly.

New start. A young team that gets to grow & learn how to win together. Pretty cool.

I’m more confident today in this Packers team than I’ve been in years. Going back a ways. 2015? 2013?

""3. The NFC North is up for grabs.""

True. It is. Look at it this way. Only two coaches in the division have ever even made the playoffs. Only one has ever won a playoff game. We return six legitimate starters to the offensive line. We feature a strong RB tandem and a potential star at WR. And we return the best defense in the division. So I think it's well within the realm to think we can win this.

Minnesota, for example, won 13 games last year, but we crushed them on our field. Their defense is terrible. In the last 20years, every time the Vikings have won double digits, they've followed that up with a single digit win season. The one exception is when Favre went to a 10 win Viking team and won 12 games that year, including some lucky ones, and then led the Vikings to the same place he had taken the Packers so many times----a season ending pick on a bonehead throw.

And Detroit....don't get me started. In 1991 they won a playoff game against Dallas. It was the first time in years it had happened, and it's the last time it happened. They've had #1 picks and HOF players , but in Detroit, talent doesn't always win. It won't win this year, either.

Win our home games, especially against division opponents, and break through on the road a couple of times, and we'll be in the fight in December.

Will be fun! I'm looking forward to seeing our team showing more emotions, the full range that will come with success and disappointment( within the rules, you hear that Walker). Of course that's part of the expected learning process and I hope the team develops a new purpose commitment and resolve.

No crow served. C'mon. BS. Murphy has shown himself to have been a distraction from goals set. Whether they be winning, acquiring staff, bettering the team.

No.

My guess is they'll win, but, it won't be because of him. They'll win in spite of Mark Murphy's handling of this team. Gutekunst has had about a dozen plates spinning in the air, for years now. Gutelunst has done what I consider to be a commendable job under difficult circumstances. You know it too.

Mud slinging and plates of crow are unnecessary, don't you think, LH? We all have been through enough to date this past decade.

How about we just see what happens and enjoy it best we can?

I agree ,enough with this separation of responsibility by function nonsense. The buck stops with the HC.

Tight.

I don’t care about our win percentage this year. No one bit, really. I care about whether we look like we have a decent platform for the future from a coaching, team excluding QB and QB and we haven’t further restricted future cap options significantly.

Hey Taryn....welcome back! Haven't seen you for some time.

"I'm not against Love, and I'm willing to give him two years, but he better show some Rodgers-esk play in year two as the starter, like Rodgers did.in 09' that ended with that playoff game against Ari with Warner".

I am in agreement with you about how well he should look in year 2. Evaluate Jordan as a QB but I'd say keep everything in proper perspective if you want to try comparing Love to Rodgers in year 2. Remember.... Rodgers inherited a bunch of excellent receivers & TE's when he took over, which included:

1. Donald Driver who was a three-time Pro Bowler who was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of over 1,000 yards.
2. Greg Jennings in his third season
3. James Jones in his second season
4. Jordy Nelson who was a rookie
5. Jermichael Finley who was a rookie
6. Donald Lee who was a 6th year veteran

At the moment, Jordan Love has four 2nd year WR's in Romeo Doubs with a total of 42 receptions, 425 yards, and 3 TD's. Christian Watson with only 41 receptions , 611 yards, and 7 TD's. Samori Toure with 5 receptons, 82 yards, and 1 TD. Bo Melton with 0 receptions. TE's, Josiah Deguara with 39 receptions & 371 yards & 2 TD's, and Tyler Davis with 8 receptions, 61 yards, & 0 TD's. Doubs & Watson last year combined did not match Donald Driver stats let alone including all the other talented receivers. I think everyone needs to keep things in proper perspective.

The difference in what Rodgers had for skilled talent around him vs Jordan Love are light years apart. No doubt the Packers will pick-up several WR's & TE's this year, but the point is it takes most players in these positions about 3-years to fully acclimate and become productive. I think we should evaluate what Jordan Love does based on only his performance. Until he has experienced and talented WR's & TE's around him I believe it will be unfair to compare the Packers 2023 offense to that of Aaron Rodgers offense in 2008 & 2009. To get the talent level around Jordan Love commensurate with the talent level & experience that Aaron Rodgers enjoyed might take another 3 years after Jordan takes over in 2023.

Since '61, I did not have time when you wrote to me a few days ago to respond immediately so you may have missed my response to you. I want to make sure you receive my response as your response showed atypical knowledge and thought.

Since '61: StarrtoRodgers this is an excellent post.

STR: Thank you for the intelligent and well thought out response.

Your thoughtful response deserves the same - I copied your response in its parts down below and noted your "Since '61" at the start of each part.

My responses start with an abbreviated STR.

STR: I want to start with these couple points of yours and I will come back to them again later:

Since '61: Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.

STR: Exactly.

Since '61: And while that may be great for the league it could be slim pickings for the Packers in terms of the compensation they receive for Rodgers. Maybe a 2023 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2024 combined with a player or 2 (hopefully) from the current Jets roster. While the Packers may be expected to return a 2025 pick to the Jets if Rodgers retires after the '23 season.

STR: More than likely - to MAXIMIZE the 31 Billionaire Parasites television viewership, ratings, and NFL television revenue for the NFL draft and upcoming 2023-24 season - the Jets and Packers switch draft positions in the first round as part of that trade so that Goodell can announce the trade of Rodgers at PRIME TIME during the most viewed night of the draft, Thursday night, April 27th. Friday and Saturday's later rounds will have less viewers.

I am not paid by Packer Management or others to post on here and you are not either, hence we are objective critical thinking Packer fans.

I also - unlike many of younger adolescents who do not work or others that have lots of free time and post all day - don't have a lot of time. I will check in spend a day and then be away for long periods.

So hopefully you find my response as I usually get back to this website days after the articles post.

Snice '61, it is refreshing to have thoughtful and substantive discussions
I have responded to each of your comments below.

Since '61: A bit lengthy but you have made numerous excellent points.

STR: Thank you.

For many posters on here, if they set aside their emotions and patiently read and think about what I wrote, they will learn things that Packer Management's paid defenders and NFL Billionaire Owners paid propagandists has no interest in pointing out.
Since '61: I've never felt that Rodgers cap hits were excessive for an elite NFL QB which Rodgers has been during his career.

STR: That is because Rodgers has never been paid excessively.

Nor are those cap hits - if Rodgers plays or retires - excessive now in 2023 or through the remainder of his contract which ends after the 2026-27 season when Rodgers will have just turned 43.

Given the 31 Billionaire Parasites' protection of the QB position in today's game, in all probability Rodgers will be playing as well through these next 4 years as Rodgers has played in the past, as was true of Brady.

In fact, this year, 2023, the cap hit if Rodgers is traded before June 1, 2023 is $9 million greater than if Rodgers plays for the Packers in 2023.

And look at these so called Packer fans - many of them hateful and unappreciative & immature with their Rodgers has "only" led the Packers to one Super Bowl win (as many as an other NFC QB over 15 years) - who now want the Packers to provide Jordan with veteran wide receivers.

Well what was wrong with signing Lazard (Jets 2023 cap hit $3.2 million) or Cobb (probably will sign for $2 to $2.5 or less) or Tonyan (Bears 2023 cap hit $2.6) or Lewis (probably will sign for $2 to $2.5 or less) at tight end?

All these re signings of Packer veterans will prove to have been more valuable for the $ spent than whatever Brian comes up as replacements due to these veterans positive effect on team morale and chemistry and obvious on field performance relative to current Packer wide receivers as a whole and the current tight ends and/or whatever management comes up with as replacements be those replacements be at the same salary cap dollars as the Jets and Bears paid to Lazard and Tonyan or a million or 2 million cheaper at the league minimum $750,000 rookie, league minimum $875,00 2nd year player or league minimum $940,000 3rd year player.

Current Packer management just seems to know the cost of everything and the value of nothing - including intangibles.

The Packer 2023-24 team should be a 13-4 playoff team again - as it was a year ago at this time - if it were managed prudently.

Anyone can be a bean counter, the value comes with thinking.

Since '61: Imagine what the Packers Qb situation would have been for the last 15 seasons without Aaron Rodgers. No Brady, Rothlesberger, Brees, Rivers, Peyton or Eli Manning because by 2008 they were all committed to their careers with their respective teams. Maybe we would have drafted Russell when he reached the draft but maybe not.
STR: Soon enough we will not have to imagine, we will see exactly what you describe - and there was no need for this state of affairs.

Brian and Mark will have created the current and impending mess with their disrespect of talented performing young and veteran Packers alike.

The then Billionaire Parasite Owners in 1994 instituted the salary cap as a means of creating competitive games and a competitive league and eliminating both dynasties and perpetually deprived and losing teams because parity maximizes the now 31 Billionaire Owner Parasites' profits because fans - fanatics like us - will be more likely to watch the game through the last commercial of any individual game and last week of the season when the games are competitive and nearly all teams are still in the "playoff hunt".

However as much as the 31 Billionaire Parasites want parity, there are still exceptions - case in point being the fact that during Aaron's 15 years as Packer starter, where the Packers made the playoffs 11 of 15 years, 12 of the other 32 NFL teams have been in the playoffs less than 26.6% of the time - Titans, Giants, Rams just 4 of 15 or once out of every 4 years, Bucs, Dolphins, Commanders, Lions and Bears just 3 out of 15, about once every 5 years, Jets, Jaguars and Raiders just 2 out of 15, Browns just 1 out of 15 years.

The common denominator between teams that are consistently in the playoffs or at least "in the hunt" and those teams that are consistently out of the playoffs and not "in the hunt" is having a very good quarterback who is also durable or not having a very good quarterback who is also durable.

Beyond the very good QB and making the playoffs what pushes a team over the edge to playoff wins is 1) the QB having all pro weapons on offense, 2) a superior defense, and 3) mistake free special teams.

There are exceptions like the 2019-20 season when New England with the #1 ranked defense in all of football - higher ranked than all other 31 teams - and a very good QB, Brady, fail. No one expected the 12-4 East Division Champ Patriots losing at home in New England to the 9-7 South division wildcard Ryan Tannehill led Titans - who had finished behind the Deshaun Watson led 10-6 Houston Texans - but Brady had a poor game, 59.4 passer rating, 20 of 37, 0 Tds, 1 interception. Those outcomes are rare.

After 12-4 New England and Brady's loss to the 9-7 Titans and Tannehill, that was an appropriate time for "the League" - i.e. the Colluding Conspiring 31 Billionaire Owners - to do something for the Tampa Bay market as the Bucs had not been to the playoffs since the 2007 season with Gruden and Jeff Garcia, a total of 13 seasons.

So "the league" - - i.e. the Colluding Conspiring Calculating 31 Billionaire Owners - moved Brady to Tampa Bay to revive the southwest Florida market and maximize that region's NFL television revenues.

Much like what "the league", i.e. the Colluding Conspiring 31 Billionaire Owners, are doing now with Rodgers.

Since '61: I cannot think of another NFL QB who would have been available and who has played as well as Rodgers has since 2008. Where would the Packers have been since 2008? Most likely on a QB and coaching merry-go-round with few if any playoff appearances.

STR: Yes, see: Titans, Giants, Rams just 4 of 15, Bucs, Dolphins, Commanders, Lions and Bears just 3 out of 15, Jets, Jaguars and Raiders just 2 out of 15, Browns just 1 out of 15 years.

Since '61: Having said that I do believe that the time has come and actually passed for the Packers and for Rodgers to move on.

STR: As I have expressed, I do not agree with this.

Rodgers like Brady after the 2019-20 season, is still at the top of his game.
If not for having to deal with an inexperienced, new, young, non communicative GM in Brian backed by a Team President in Mark Murphy that goes along with "the League" - the i.e. the Colluding Conspiring Calculating 31 Billionaire Owners and their demands to keep his job, there would not be a problem.

Mark learned his lesson after being blackballed as a player - no team would sign him - despite his All pro and NFL regular season interception leading and 2nd consecutive Super Bowl 1983 season - due to payback for his role at the bargaining table as NFL Players Association representative and lead negotiator during the 1982 NFL players strike, where the players stood fast and 7 games were cancelled annoying the then 27 Billionaires.

Since '61: The business person in me believed and posted at the time for the Packers to trade Rodgers following the 2021season.

STR: The "business" side needs to be tempered and the identity of the Packers - as the PEOPLE'S TEAM, THE COMMUNITY'S TEAM, THE PLAYERS'/WORKERS' team - needs to be preserved by showing respect to home grown. long loyal (Rodgers and other Packer stars could have left as free agents years ago) tenured players, especially the longest tenured Packer in the history of the franchise.

It doesn't matter what "other" Billionaire owned and controlled franchises do.
The Packers are the Packers with their unique structure and unique and stories history.
In addition, beyond the Packers there are plenty of franchises that would never treat their long tenured, most loyal players/workers as a tradeable commodities and high paid slaves - risking their lives and future ability to walk and stand and think each week - for entertainment only to be thrown away after they have been used and abused.
There are plenty of examples of players who were respected by their organization and finished with the team they played their entire careers with or with the team they played the prime and last years of their career with:

Marino, Elway, Ben Roethlisberger, Larry Fitizgeralds, Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Ray Lewis, Lawrence Taylor, Michael Strahan, Darrell Green, Bruce Matthews, Jackie Slater Derrick Brooks, to name a few in the NFL. Derek Jeter in baseball, Kobe Bryant in basketball.

This era of Packer Management simply doesn't respect its Icons as previous Packer Management respected Starr and Nitschke before Aaron and Favre.

We are not talking about trading or cutting a Packer coming off a 4 year rookie contract that was a poor draft pick by Brian to begin with and was only was kept around because it was cheaper to do so.

We are talking about Packer players who have performed at top levels in the NFL at their position and have chosen to stay with Green Bay time after time again when they could have left in free agency for more money.

In destroying this identity of the Packers, the attraction of playing for the Packers and rooting for the Packers is also diminished and destroyed as I will elaborate on more in my response.

The destruction of this identity and the values that create this identity has a far broader and long lasting effect than any value gained or lost from a trade or release of Rodgers or any other long tenured, loyal, and in this case, top performing Packer player/worker.
Since '61: That was their last best opportunity for the biggest return for Rodgers and prior to their commitment to Rodgers huge contract.

STR: Rodgers contract is commensurate with his value and no different than the sums paid other star quarterbacks as I pointed out.

Rodgers - absent the behavior of young Brian and 31 Billionaires' man Mark - would have played out the remaining 4 years of his contract at a high level and at the end of that contract upon filing his retirement papers at the end of the 2026-27 season, there would be no dead cap hit for the Packers.

In addition, following the end of this season Rodgers had said that he was open to restructuring his contract to help the Packers at the same time he said that he was not interested in a rebuild and named Bakhtiari, Tonyan, Cobb, Lewis and Lazard as players that should be brought back.

Since '61: Plus it would have been prior to Rodgers considering retirement which he has admitted that he was about 90% there in terms of retiring after the 2022 season.
STR: Rodgers talk of retirement is purely due to Brian and Mark's behavior, both before January 8, 2023 and since then.

Since '61: I have posted that I believe that Rodgers best personal decision would be to retire while he is relatively healthy and the fact that he has nothing left to prove in his NFL career.

STR: If I were in Rodgers shoes I - like you - would retire too, but only Aaron is truly in those shoes and knows what is best for Aaron.

Clearly what is best for the Packers is for Rodgers to play out the remainder of his 4 year contract with the Packers. And every Packer fan that I have watched and attended Packer games with for decades thinks exactly the same.

Since '61: The current attempt to trade Rodgers is the wrong time, with the wrong team and for the wrong reasons. Wrong time because it is a year too late. Wrong team because the Packers should never limit their trade options to only one team and because the Jets have realized that they may have Rodgers for only one season so why give away the store. The wrong reasons because the Packers are now making a financial/emotional decision after having passed up on the legitimate business reasons in the 2022 off season.

STR: This bares repeating: Trading Rodgers is wrong to begin with because it further damages and destroys the identity of the Packers - as the PEOPLE'S TEAM, THE COMMUNITY'S TEAM, THE PLAYERS'/WORKERS' team - needs to be preserved by showing respect to home grown. long loyal (Rodgers and other Packer stars could have left as free agents years ago), tenured players, especially the longest tenured Packer in the history of the franchise.

In destroying this identity of the Packers the attraction of playing for the Packers and rooting for the Packers is also diminished and destroyed as I will elaborate on more in my response. The destruction of this identity and the values that create this identity has a far broader and long lasting effect than any value gained or lost from a trade or release of Rodgers or any other long tenured, loyal, and in this case, top performing Packer player/worker.

Since '61: The other wrong reason is that the league wants this trade to happen in attempt to get the NY TV market engaged in doubleheader and prime time games.
STR: Yes, and "the League" is 31 Parasitic Billionaires whose interests go well beyond football and those football interests are not whether their individual teams win or lose, but rather if the league wide television, gambling and licensing revenues are maximized as each billionaire has a 1/32 interest in those collective revenues.

For the Packer fans all this additional revenue will mean - given the way current Packer Management works is a more glitzy scoreboard, more glitz and commodities around the stadium, gambling kiosks throughout Lambeau Field stadium, more unaffordable luxury seating and an eventual renaming of Lambeau field to Amazon Park or something similar.

Since '61: I have posted in the past that Rodgers is not just a Packers QB, he is the league's QB. Where Rodgers goes TV ratings, revenues and fan participation follows whether it's fans of his team, fans of Rodgers, FF players and gamblers. Players like Aaron Rodgers are a league's media, revenue dream come true. Show me the money and follow the money. That's where the league is at and that is why they want and may assist in making this trade happen by the NFL draft.

STR: That is exactly where the 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners - "the League" - are at/is at and they easily manipulate the minds of the fans to give away their hard earned cash watching what is no longer a game but choreographed entertainment with the 31 Billionaire Parasites' values interjected throughout the entertainment further demeaning US society and poisoning our minds.

Since '61: Goodell is undoubtedly dying to announce this trade during the upcoming NFL draft and have the announcement played and replayed throughout the next 24 hour sports and news cycles. It will be the league's highlight reel until the 2023 season begins.

STR: Exactly.

Since '61: And while that may be great for the league it could be slim pickings for the Packers in terms of the compensation they receive for Rodgers. Maybe a 2023 2nd round pick and a conditional pick in 2024 combined with a player or 2 (hopefully) from the current Jets roster. While the Packers may be expected to return a 2025 pick to the Jets if Rodgers retires after the '23 season.

STR: More than likely - to MAXIMIZE the 31 Billionaire Parasites television viewership, ratings, and NFL television revenue for the NFL draft and upcoming 2023-24 season - the Jets and Packers switch draft positions in the first round as part of that trade so that Goodell can announce the trade of Rodgers at PRIME TIME during the most viewed night of the draft, Thursday night, April 27th. Friday and Saturday's later rounds will have less viewers.

Since '61: A great deal for the league but for the Packers not so much, especially if Love, the coaching and/or the FO flops.

STR: I don't think there is much doubt that Love will not meet Rodgers performance in 2008 when Rodgers too was a 4th year QB. In fact I think Jordan's performance will be much worse. We have enough data points with Jordan leading all of College football in most interceptions thrown by a QB his last year of college in 2019-20 and the 1 game he started - Kansas City - and couple other relief appearances, Detroit where he was blitzed and Philly where the game was over and Philly sat back and let him complete short passes you and I could complete. Without more live regular season games there is no evidence to provide any other conclusion.

I will be shocked if the Packers exercise their $21 million 5th year option for Jordan for 2024 come May 1, 2023. Talk about cap space? What a waste of cap space that would be. The Giants did not exercise their 5th year option on Daniel Jones and Jones had 36 more starts than Jordan.

The calculating "business" thing for Brian and Mark to do - not the morally and ethically and Packer Identity protecting thing to do but, but the calculating business thing to do - would be to drop the ignorant and emotion driven trade and exercise the option for Aaron's 2025 season by paying Aaron the $58.3 million payment which can then be spread over the life of the remaining 4 year contract and bring Aaron back for 2023-24 and let Jordan compete for the starting job.

Give Jordan the starting job the first few games of the regular season and see how he does. if Jordan performs better in 2023 than Rodgers did in 2008 (and 2022 which was also better than most QBs despite the nonsense of some posters on this board), then the calculating "business" minded soulless Brian and Mark can trade Aaron in between the March 15, 2024 season's first day until the September 2024 deadline for the Packers to exercise their option for Aaron's 2026's season when they must pay $47 million to be able to spread that $47 over the remaining 3 years of the contract.

If Jordan - after 4 years as and NFL QB - performs much worse than Aaron did in 2008 (and 2022 which was also better than most QBs despite the nonsense of some posters on this board), then no team in the NFL will be chomping at the bit to sign Jordan Love to a new contract for 2024 going forward and the Packers can look at drafting a QB in 2024, if they have not already drafted one in a few weeks that did not lead all of College Football in interceptions.

If you look at the year by year 2000 through 2022 NFL statistics for total QB performance from Stats Muse - totals for all 32 teams quarterbacks - you will notice that quarterback performance numbers have improved significantly. This is in no small measure to the continuous rule changes to protect quarterbacks and create more offense and scoring.

If you compare 2008 totals for all QBs - Aaron's 1st year as a starter - to 2022's totals for all QBs, you will notice the following:

Passer Rating - has increased 7.1% (Aaron's 93.8% in 2008 would have been 100.4% in 2022)

Pass Attempts per season has increased 9.3% (Aaron's 536 in 2008 would have been 586 in 2022)

Completion Pct. - has increased 5.2% (Aaron's 63.6% in 2008 would have been 66.9% in 2022)

Yards per Attempt - has increased 1.4% (Aaron's 7.5% in 2008 would have been 7.6% in 2022)

Yards per Game - has increased 4.5% (Aaron's 252.4 or 4,038 yards over 16 games in 2008 would have been 263.88 or 4,486 yards over 17 games in 2022)

TD% per pass attempt - has increased 7.6% (Aaron's 5.2 % in 2008 and 28 TD passes would have been 5.6% in 2022 and 32.5 TD passes in 2022)

Interception % per pass attempt: has fallen 17.1% (Aaron's 2.4% in 2008 would have been 1.9% in 2022)

Interceptions: have fallen by 10.2% (Aaron's 13 in 2008 would have fallen to 11.6 in 2022)

Keep these numbers handy as we compare Jordan in his 4th year relative to Aaron in his 4th year in this Ignorant, emotion based Packer Management trade goes through.

Packer Management has already flopped. Most noticeably over the last 10 years, but Rodgers, Bakhtiari and other players like Adams, Jordy, Matthews, Woodson, Peppers, Cobb, Lewis, Smith, Linsley, Hyde, Crobsy, Jennings, etc. were able to hide the damage until they too were traded and released while still performing at a level their replacements in their starter or replacement role did not readily match or will not readily match.

But what the average Packer fan does not understand is that they do not have to stand idly by and watch themselves and the Packers be manipulated for the PROFITS of 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners.

Packer fans can demonstrate and protest by writing and emailing the Packer Executive Committee and Brian Gutekunst and Mark Murphy - as well as picketing at Lambeau Field with a press release for the local and national Media - and telling the Executive Committee, Brian and Mark tht they are not put in place by the fans/stockholders of the Packers to maximize 31 Billionaire's profit by moving the longest tenured Packer and Passer Rating Champ and MVP 2 of the last 3 years to the underperforming NY Television market, but to preserve the identity of the Green Bay Packers both in terms of its winning tradition and human values.

Even if the Jets trade were to provide the Packers with value that matched or exceeded what the Bears received for the unknown future outcome of this year's #1 overall pick, exceeded what the Lions received for Matthew Stafford, exceeded what the Seahawks received for Russell Wilson:

Russell Wilson was traded for 7 players - the 9th (2022), 5th (2023), 40th (2022), 37th (2023) picks in the NFL Draft - all unconditional draft picks - & a young solid starting tight end (Noah Fant, the 20th pick in the 2019 draft) & a starting defensive end (Shelby Harris) & quarterback Drew Lock (2nd round 42nd overall pick in the 2019 draft - 6 players who will be Seattle starters and 2 of which (5th and 9th pick) will probably be all pros and a backup or possible starting QB in young Lock.

which we know it won't, not because Aaron Rodgers is not currently worth that much, but because it is in the 31 Billionaire Parasite Owners profit maximizing best interest to have the Jets pay as little as possible to see that the Jets are back in the playoffs and New York NFL television market is maximizing revenues, it is still much more important long term for the Packers and Packers Green Bay community to preserve the identity of the Green Bay Packers both in terms of its winning tradition and human values.

Since '61: I've enjoyed the last 15 seasons but all good things come to an end and the Rodgers era has ended in Green Bay. Bring on Jordan Love and let's see what we've got. Thanks, Since '61

STR: Since '61, it is much more than the Packers winning coming to an end and Rodgers era ending.

This is a slippery slope the Packers are now on and the beginning of what I described to another Packer fan below.

Lafleur won't depart for an ownerships stake in the Commanders as Lombardi did for the Redskins after the Packers losing 6-7-1 1968 season, but the Packers being owned by some Parasite Billionaire, like Bezos or Buffett or Musk or another, and Lambeau field renamed "Amazon Park" or some other "Cryptocurrency Park" Billionaire societal scheme, will be at the bottom of the slide downward:

Response to another Packer Fan regarding his blaming the January 8, 2023 Lions Packer game loss on Rodgers and what lies ahead should this Ignorant Emotion Driven Packer Management trade of Rodgers go through:

5 Dropped passes by the Packers in the final Lions game did not help.

42 Drops in 2022 vs. only 15 Drops in 2021 - Credit Packer Management for that.

Fumble by one of the Packers best - Aaron Jones - near the end of the first half with the Packers about to go up by 2 scores also did not help.

Team game and the Packers could have easily been in San Francisco the next week playing the 49ers.

And now, if the IGNORANT, EMOTION DRIVEN bonehead Packer trade goes through it is unlikely the Packers will touch the playoffs more than once in the next 4 years while Rodgers finishes his 4 year contract with the Jets in 2026-27 and retires leaving Jets no dead cap and having led the Jets to the playoffs 4 years.

And Jets fans will be overjoyed with even having made the playoffs.

And spoiled young 40 and under Packer fans who have known nothing but Favre and Rodgers and complain that the Packers "only" won 1 Super Bowl during Rodgers 15 years as starter - which is as many as any other NFC QB over those 15 years - will be long gone from watching Packer games, having departed as the fair weather fans they are.

And Brian and Mark will be gone then too, to leave the mess they created for who knows who.

Maybe by that time some Parasite Billionaire will have purchased the Packers and join the other 31 Parasites and Lambeau Field will be renamed Amazon Park or something like that if Bezos fails in his pursuit of the Commanders.

And maybe Lafleur will leave like Lombardi did for stock in the Redskins - though probably not given the outcome that awaits him with College Football's 2019-2020 Interception leader that Brian drafted to replace the now 18 year longest tenured Packer who in 2018 had set an ALL TIME NFL RECORD with the fewest interceptions - just 2 - of any quarterback in NFL history who had thrown 500 passes in a season.

And the next year - 2019 - the same Packer QB threw 4 interceptions, placing him 2nd in the NFL Record books all time for fewest interceptions in a season for QBs that had over 500 pass attempts.

But now in 2023 the Packers will get to fully test out Brian's choice to replace these amazing feats by the all time longest tenured Packer with a Packer that over 4 years has started just 1 game - in which he was game planned for and terrible - with 2019-20 all of College Football, large and small, leader in most interceptions thrown, Jordan Love.
And we Packer die hards will be always cheering Jordan nonetheless because we are TRUE PACKER FANS, not Packer Management's boys.

Here Again

“… Well, you say you can laugh,
But I can see that your eyes are glass.
Well, do you see, can't you see, what I'm feeling?
Yes, I've seen your face before.
Why, I've seen it everywhere,
Showing up to me without a scent revealing.

Well, I said will it ever change?
Will it stay the same?
I'd surely like to know before it's over,
Well, I said I played some,
I said it won't be long,
Won't be long before I stop and play it over.

Oh, oh I've, I've seen your face before,
Is it ever gonna, ever gonna change again?
Oh, oh I've, I've been in one place too long,
Is it ever gonna, ever gonna change again.”

Lee/Lifeson

An Allman Brothers band song pops in my head every time I read one of your posts! Can anyone name that tune??

LaFleur without Rodgers is just as much of an unknown as Love. We will become much wider about both, inevitably. LaFleur should be on a shorter leash too.

Or, it has nothing to do with Jordan Love at all, but rather the Packers possibly adding a number of new OL via draft trade package with NYJ for players like Runyan, Myers, Hanson or Newman???

LOL.

I think this is gonna happen, and I'm here for it.

I mean, if we have a chance to add new, possibly far better OL from a pool of:

OT Broderick Jones? OG O'Cyrus Torrence? OT Anton Harrison? C John Michael Schmitz? OT Blake Freeland? OT Cody Mauch? OT Darnell Wright? OT Jaelyn Duncan? OG Steve Avila? OG Joe Tippmann?

They are all in The Sporting News' Top 125 players in this draft.

None of those Packers players are irreplaceable. Quite the opposite. Why not? Makes complete sense for NYJ too in adding system ready veterans for Hackett and AR to roll with. Along with Bakhtiari later, post June 1?

The dead cap hit for all 4 of those Packers combined is less than $3M. I bet GB could swing that, especially with a June 1 Bakhtiari trade netting the Packers +$4M.

Blockbuster.

Just for shits & giggles, imagine if we took the Jets entire 2023 draft in trade...

13
15
42
43
45
78
112
116
143
149
170
207
232
235
242
256

I know some draft simulator riders here who could make some hay with that! 8 players in the Top 125!

Kooky? YES.
Possible? Also, YES.
LOL Hey, the idea's got an off the charts fun factor to it! Packer offseason hijinx at it's finest.

Harry, if you are a Defensive Coordinator, and you are playing a team that averages 5 yards a rush, and 7.5 per pass, wouldn’t you want them to run instead of pass? What if you’re playing Minnesota? Wouldn’t you rather see Cook getting more carries than Jefferson getting more targets? They had 30 passing TDs and only 18 on the ground…..and you want them to throw more?

If you stuff the run, teams throw more. If you don’t stuff the run, teams throw less. I know it’s stressful to see teams move it on the ground against you, but the name of the game is points.

I’m going to disagree here. I admit to much scrolling but I got the general points. I’m a newbie here and I appreciate the passion and the perspective of the posters even if I disagree with much of the posting which I do not necessarily do in this case. The NFL is a mammoth business and it’s number one priority is making* money. Except for the ownership structure there is zero reason to have a team in Green Bay. The media market is tiny, the city is small and except for revenue sharing the finances are probably incompatible with a major league franchise. Title town is a vital component to keeping it there. Can they force a change to a single billionaire owner? IDK. Wouldn’t surprise me.

I have no doubt that the NFL wants QB12 in the biggest media market. I am not convinced they will intercede to force the trade. I said slippery slope once before (as is the love affair with gambling). In either event the team/QB relationship is fractured and it’s time to move on, albeit a year late.

Success for me in 23: a return to football, not the drama show of the last few years. Cap control. A solid foundation for success in 24/25. Aggression on both sides of the line. Proof positive that MLF and his subordinates can make adjustments mid game. Proof that MLF is not just a coiffed suit with a HOF QB. A plus .500 record and a first or second place NFCN finish.

Oppy,
I too believe the 2023 Packers will surprise many. Not saying they win the Division but they will challenge for it. The young Packer team will rally around Jordan Love.

Lambeau,
Aaron Rodgers took over a team from the year before that was 13 & 3 that went to the NFCCG. Then AR's win/loss record his first year only 6 & 10. As I have mentioned before the skilled receivers AR had was extraordinary and very experienced far outpacing what Jordan Love inherits.

Jordan Love will be taking over a team that was 8 & 9 last year and did not even make the playoffs. The team gave up more points than they scored. The skilled receivers Jordan takes over are inexperienced, and they are not nearly as talented as the receivers Rodgers enjoyed.

LP: The bad Packer defense in Rodgers first year as a starter ranked 22nd in points allowed and 20th in yards allowed and had Bob Sanders as DC. The defense Love will inherit ranked 17th in both points and yards allowed last year and has Joe Barry as DC. Not sure I see much difference between the two.

“In all probability, based on Jordan's leading all of college football in interceptions his last year of college…”

Stop right there.

Please, explain the factors which led to this 2019 anomaly for Jordan Love, the most efficient and accurate QB in all of college football in 2018.

There are multiple answers.

Below are a set of refresher numbers:

2018 Jordan Love - Utah St.
267 Comp , 417 Att, 67%, 3547 yds, 8.6 y/a, 32 TD, 6 INT, 158.3 rating

Secondly, please list Jordan Love’s qualities/characteristics which led the Packers to trade up in 2020 to take him, despite his throwing 19 INT in 2019.

He better have a growing awareness of defense's because he is going to be under heavy pressure...Teams will want to see how he handles it...hopefully better than his last two years in college where he was heavy into the hated (unless it worked) hero ball and led all of NCAA in INT's...pressure Love and stop the run...every defensive coach will be doing that...