Reacting to the Packers first day of free agency

Aaron recounts an emotional day filled with highs and lows for Packers fans.

 

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MooPack's picture

March 11, 2024 at 05:46 pm

Per Andrew Brandt on X:

Josh Jacobs:
Reported deal:
Four years, $48 million.
Real deal:
One year, $14.8 million, and three Packer option years.
Strong deal for one year, and then "we'll see."

So very strong chance they will draft at least one RB, if not 2.

Never believe a GM to tell the truth, especially during this time of year. I wouldn't. Always keep the cards close to your chest and bluff.

[Edit]
Also on Mckinney,
According to reports from ESPN.com’s Adam Schefter and NFL Network’s Ian Rapoport, it’s a four-year deal worth $68 million. Between signing bonus and salary, the contract includes $25 million in Year 1.

The deal was confirmed by the man himself.

So they front loaded it. Sounds smart to me. Take a bigger hit now so they don't bury themselves as much in the next few as this team improves and may need to make another move in the next couple years, etc.

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rushpacker_56's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:11 pm

Glad you posted this. Makes me like the Jacobs deal a lot more. With front loading both, though, do we have room to make a run at anymore high tier free agents? I would love to see Queen (dream) and Fuller (realistic) in GB.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:50 pm

I also see Fuller as a (hopefully) realistic option. There are a few others, both at S and ILB.

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Coldworld's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:10 pm

Great information. Front end loading McKinney would be a great move. Back to earlier TT. Minimize future costs, real and cap-wise, and thus team flexibility on renewing, extending or releasing and cap in years where we hope to be better.

If we win the obvious bet and get the 2022 Jacobs, then having team options effectively for the succeeding years is a great move. I’m not sure about the swap for this year, but if we were doing it, it seems a good way to hedge our future risk.

It seems to me McKimmey likely set these dominoes falling with the scale of his deal and its structure. Jacob’s deal suggests Jones really was t prepared to budge very much if anything. We will see if that proves to be realistic.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:00 pm

Gutey and Ball are savvy dudes imo.

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Matt Gonzales's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:25 pm

The words "front loaded" are music to my ears.

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Houndog's picture

March 12, 2024 at 06:43 am

MooPack
Many Raiders fans would tell you that the Jacobs contract structure is a win for the Packers as, in their opinion "he takes every other year off". His stats would seem to support that (although he did have a thigh injury in '23 and averaged just 3.5 yds per carry).
He doesn't have AJ's quickness or willingness to block, but is a good receiver and he runs hard.
When I first heard of the signing I saw him as teamed with Jones as a replacement for Dillon, that could have been really potent and nearly unstoppable with both healthy. Too bad we'll never see that.
I'll be curious to see how Packer fans feel about him come December.

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2024 at 05:51 pm

He didn't learn any of this from TT.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:23 pm

Stock—drink a Red Bull or something—live a little.

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jannes bjornson's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:31 pm

Maybe from sherman ?

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:54 pm

Another Satan to the Deep abyss.

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 11, 2024 at 10:00 pm

There is hope for you yet! Ha!

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:20 pm

If you mean that Gutekunst sees free agency as a valuable resource - to be used strategically - to help propel the team to the next /top level, then your comment is valid stock. TT would dabble and generally fill holes with low level free agents. However he was rarely aggressive or interested in free agency. In this way, he is in contrast to Gutekunst. Also TT's greatest free agent signing, "Charles Woodson" was a low bid offer - after the primary market had sold out. Few, if any, people (including TT) expected Woodson to have such a brilliant 7-8 years in GB.

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stockholder's picture

March 12, 2024 at 05:25 am

Ah - But TT won a super- Bowl
with his moves.
And a lot faster.

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Houndog's picture

March 12, 2024 at 06:57 am

stockholder,
Not sure what you mean by that, but it seems at least they might have learned something; Back-loaded contracts will bite you in the ass at some point in time!
The Packers are one of the poster-boys for that right now, and the two contracts Moopack describes suggest they're wanting to go in a different direction.
I was not a big TT fan as he was unwilling to go after top-ranked FA's that might have put us over the top, but ya gotta admit, Ted never put us in Salary Cap Hell.

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rushpacker_56's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:05 pm

What a gut shot. I'm so sad that Jones is gone. It might become way worse if he gashes us in a playoff matchup with Dallas....

But Jacobs can work. He's definitely in a better situation now, and the talent is evident. He's underrated as a receiver, as well, and I'd be willing to bet he gets his first NFL receiving TD his first year with us. Also, we essentially gave him the same contract as Jones (half mil less), at about the same age we signed Aaron to his deal. I'll tell you what, this hurts worse than the last Aaron that left out team. I hope he ends up with Stroud in Houston.

Oh, McKinney. He's the apple of our eye. I was very enthusiastic about getting him, albeit far more money than we probably wanted. But, still, great move. His testing numbers were surprising when I looked back, but his play has proven that a low concern. However, it does make me wonder if we'd be here if we took branch last draft... Very similar dudes.

Let's get Nixon back, let's make a run at Fuller (Rams), let's trade up for DeJean, then draft a couple running backs, linebackers, and guards.

Oh yeah.... Why is Queen not in Seattle yet? Do I dare dream.....

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Starrbrite's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:03 pm

I like everything you said Rush.

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dblbogey's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:12 pm

Thumbs up for DeJean. he's a playmaker, an incredible athlete and will be very good for a decade.

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PackfanNY's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:06 pm

Now that the Safety issue (starter) has been addressed the position I would most like addressed before the Draft is LB. Haven’t heard us linked to anyone FA or Trade. Anyone even hear a rumor? Some interesting names on lists but no links to the Packers.

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MooPack's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:07 pm

Rumors they like (draft) Edgerrin Cooper quite a bit.

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PackfanNY's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:12 pm

Thanks. I am thinking more pre Draft. I kind of am hoping for a veteran ( I know that’s crazy talk in Gute land) but I suspect we will be drafting Quays partner.

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CheesedDeadHead's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:28 pm

While they may be going to a 4-3 base, they will be playing mostly a 4-2-5 so the Packers really need about 2.4 LBs. I am assuming Walker will be 1 and McDuffie the 0.4 so they need another LB from the draft or FA. I've heard they want to sign Nixon for the nickelback so I am guessing with the front-loading of the McKinney deal and the Jacobs deal, that means a mid-tier LB in FA at best as the Campbell savings will likely go to extending Love. I wouldn't be surprised if the Packers double dip on LB in the draft with 1 in the 2nd/3rd and an early day 3.

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rushpacker_56's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:29 pm

Cooper is a turd. Wilson is who we want.

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 11, 2024 at 10:02 pm

Tell me more.

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NoNonsense's picture

March 12, 2024 at 01:58 am

Payton Wilson has been hurt the majority of his college career, twice torn ACL and a season ending shoulder injury plus will be a 24 yr old rookie, no thanks.

Edgerrin Cooper, Trevin Wallace, Eichenberg, Trotter Jr. are better choices IMO

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:46 pm

That seems to be the most popular rumor. More likely from the agent than the Packers F.O.

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SicSemperTyrannis's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:54 pm

S is still a concern, but so is ILB. There are some of both still available, who might sign for cheap. One's even a hybrid!

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Qoojo's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:26 pm

Definitely difficult to see Jones go and Bahk. Only solace is that you hope the players next-up have better availability. With Jones or even Bahk, do you see them playing every game next year or the year after? Jones is incredible, but needs to be on a play count for sure.

Jones leaving will be huge missing piece from the offense next year obviously. Hopefully, the rookies and 1 year players will pick up some of that slack due to the gained experience this year.

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Minniman's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:42 pm

This Jones decision is a reaaaalllly tricky one for me.

Ordinarily a circa 30 year old RB is a "no brainer" - thanks for your service - and maybe this is still true (and I'm just being sentimental).

Josh Jacobs will want to significantly up his blocking prowess (and willingness) along with YAC - A Jones is the pound-for-pound best all-round back in the league and would happily (and successfully) lay it on the line against marquee edge rushers (when asked) to either stop them, or gain that extra yard.

I can only think that he wasn't willing to renegotiate his contract - which is something that I take my hat off to Preston Smith about - but Jones and Jacobs would be one heck of a 1-2 punch in the back field.

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dblbogey's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:16 pm

It just feels like Jones should have been one of those guys who should finish his career in GB. I think we'll miss him, and imagine they'll also get another RB in the draft.

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Minniman's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:58 pm

for sure on all counts!

Reportedly the pay "haircut" was circa 50%, so I can understand that he'd feel insulted by the offer.

Not knowing Jones' intentions on his playing future is the (obvious) disadvantage here.

From a casual observer's perspective, he needs to be pragmatic about where he is in his career (a la P Smith). Smart would be to take a reduced role with an ascending team who is not banking on his availability every week to take 15 carries.

He could also easily get blown up early going to a bad team that doesn't know how to protect their RB's. Look at Rodgers, thrown in behind a suspect line, he ran for his life on the second snap and was poleaxed on the third.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 11, 2024 at 06:48 pm

Simply a day when one person acts (the GM) - while all others react.

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13TimeChamps's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:02 pm

Josh Jacobs...26 years old and1 year removed from being the NFL's rushing leader.

X McKinney...24 years old and considered the top FA Safety in this year's class.

Didn't a certain former GB QB claim that free agents only come to GB because of him, while pretty much trashing the city in the process?

How many top FA's have signed with his new team?

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:10 pm

It seems that the former Packers QB free agent recruiting - was just as successful as his 23/24 Jets season.

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Bitternotsour's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:10 pm

Clearly, the free agents are coming to GB to avoid a certain former GB QB. That's Socratic logic.

We're getting a lot of SEC guys into the locker room, lotta former national champs.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:26 pm

"Clearly, the free agents are coming to GB to avoid a certain former GB QB." ??? I don't understand what you mean.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:04 pm

Well said 13–my sentiments too.

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CanPackFan's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:11 pm

I see from other social media posts that the "Gutes Haters" are out in full force again re: the Jones release. I'm sad too but I understand the argument for doing it. It's the tough "side of the business. While there is a minimal chance he could still be back here, I doubt it. Too many other teams with too much money can take a flyer on Jones for a year or two, like Dallas? Championship teams cannot always be as nice as they would want to be.

To the dimwitted Gutes Haters I say, "look at last year and tell me how bad he is"? GPG

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 11, 2024 at 10:04 pm

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t. Only time will tell.

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rushpacker_56's picture

March 12, 2024 at 12:38 am

I feel like nobody in the comments is hating Gutey. Everyone is just bummed Jones is gone. He was my last current Packers jersey. Getting a Kraft now.

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SinceLombardi's picture

March 12, 2024 at 07:24 am

Kinda hoping Jones lands in Houston instead of Dallas.

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4thand10's picture

March 12, 2024 at 10:32 am

Im not sad nor disappointed. Jones was great when he played. But an RB has to be available more than 8-9 games per yr. Respect for Jones, again a good player and a good human. But as a team I believe this is best as availability/age is a factor. Holes and needs are being filled. Now if they get a mauler for Right Guard, a DL,2 LBs a CB and a good RB prospect the team should be ok. I also believe Emanual Wilson has upside.The bad news I just heard was that Jones is going to be playing for the purple…. but I only expect his availability for them to be around 7-8 games for them barring a miracle of sudden health and good fortune.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:30 pm

When they hired the new DC and said there wouldn't be a lot of personnel change, I didn't think it meant this, and I didn't foresee the Packers parting ways with Jones.. I've kind of been operating under the assumption that we would be trying to win this year, Murphy's last. But upon further review, we're putting the team together now that's going to line up around Love for the next four years.

So when they had a chance to get Jacobs (which they've obviously been planning for a while) to replace Jones, they went ahead with the guy who is going to be lining up with Love in some big games after Jones is out of the league. I'm sure we'll draft a guy, too, and we like Wilson at RB.

I wish Jones the best of luck.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:07 pm

LH—I believe you might have been on to something when you mentioned this is Murphy’s last year—and he’s going for broke.
But I love everything we’ve done so far.

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TKWorldWide's picture

March 11, 2024 at 10:05 pm

I really don’t think this being MM’s last year has anything to do with it.

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Turophile's picture

March 12, 2024 at 11:01 am

I agree. Nothing suggests Murphy has not given his best each year. Of course, not everything has gone as he would have wished, but a more than solid resume, over time.

If the next CEO is Murphy mark II, I'd be fine with that. Rather than being the meddler he was often portrayed as, I think he tended to let the GM BE the GM and let the Head Coach be that too. As far as I know, he respected their decisions, at least most of the time, if not more.

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SinceLombardi's picture

March 12, 2024 at 07:27 am

Yeah , Wilson is kind of forgotten. I liked what I saw last year. They gave him some Chances in the playoffs, so it’s obvious they like him. Jacobs / Wilson and maybe a third round pick and a FA.

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relleum61's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:34 pm

Xavier McKinney...Josh Jacobs, welcome to Green Bay!

That said, damn! I was so hoping Aaron Jones could be the next Donald Driver. Ya' know, have an awesome career in Green Bay, retire with a Lombardi, go into the GB Hall of Fame and maybe collect a DWTS Mirror Ball trophy along the way. Perhaps there is a slight chance it could work out this way, but if not, THANK YOU AJones (and you too, DB) for years of carrying the "G" in the right way!

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ArlenWilliams's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:44 pm

NFL and the Packers encourage players such as Jones and Dillon to become very involved in the community and then it's bubblegum cards for their trading or tossing. What sense is there in that?

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Starrbrite's picture

March 11, 2024 at 07:59 pm

I am super jazzed—it’s great day.
And now the cap worriers are booking their darkness retreats.
Go Packers!!!

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Packers0808's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:23 pm

Jones to Vikings?

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stockholder's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:56 pm

Thats the rumor; after they wanted him to take a 50 % pay cut.

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DrMixerGED's picture

March 11, 2024 at 08:46 pm

Losing Aaron Jones hurts. Excited about the signings. In Gute we trust.

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marcrjackson's picture

March 11, 2024 at 09:26 pm

I picked a helluva day to quit drinking, i feel myself slipping, no falling, off the wagon.
I blame Drew R. more the Gute for the Jones release. I really think Gute wanted to keep Jones along with the new FA signing.
Ah, that bourbon is good. I wish the best to AJ. Maybe he'll resign........

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Jeff Hayes's picture

March 11, 2024 at 10:03 pm

I get it but Jones is worth playing out his contract! Pay the man his 12 million due and let him retire a Packer next year!

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stockholder's picture

March 12, 2024 at 05:31 am

From a 1 - Two punch
To a gut punch

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DirtyDobler's picture

March 11, 2024 at 11:04 pm

I believe having McKinney in the defensive backfield will bring out the best in JA. That would be a very talented duo.

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Coldworld's picture

March 12, 2024 at 12:01 am

I like the McKinney signing. It’s more than I would have hoped, but we’ve got a player who, if he stays healthy, had been exceptional at the hardest position we had to fill in my opinion.

Jacobs depends on which version of Jacobs we get. I see him carrying more of the load than Jones and needing to as well. He needs to get carries under his belt to be at his best. Will LaFleur do that consistently?

We will need to get a lot better blocking on the interior. Jacobs was, at least before last year, good at breaking tackles, but his longevity depends on us minimizing that. Last year a bad blocking OL led to him being largely neutralized. We need to prioritize run blocking, particularly on the IOL. We maybe should re-evaluate some of our OL scheme. Certainly wouldn’t rely him to be as good a protector as either Jones or Dillon. Adequate is probably the best he’s been.

This is a significant change of style from a O with Jones as the intended lead back. He’s more agile than Dillon and more powerful than Jones, yet he’s not going to finesse openings to the extent Jones could. I do think an OL approach and make up that suits Jacobs also suits Wilson well. I’m not convinced that the same approach as last year will benefit anyone much.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 12, 2024 at 05:25 am

This is what I'm looking forward to hearing more about after everyone gets over the shock of loosing AJ. Does the increased physicality of a Jacobs style RB force teams to play a different style of defense against GB? Is it more difficult for an opposing defense to guard against some of MLF's more creative plays when there's the threat of a physical Jacobs just running it up the middle for 6 yards?

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10thArmored's picture

March 12, 2024 at 10:50 am

Yes! I hope the guy from Duke who I believe plays T primarily but is projected more of a guard due to short arms will be available to us in first round or we get lucky and have him fall to us in 2nd. Jones stat (I can't remember exact name) where he gets +2 expected yards per run compares to -1 for Jacob's will be missed. Those speedy slashes in a tiny crevice in the line, goes for 4 instead of one

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DTowleJr's picture

March 12, 2024 at 01:05 am

So, now the Packers 2024 Draft Board has gone through some significant changes. All the players have now shifted.

RB just moved up the list, so perhaps fan favorite Braelon Allen becomes a real possibility and not a wish.

LB could now be the main focus for that first pick, but it really depends on who drops down to the Packers when they're on the clock.

A great Safety could still be there when they pick, who knows at this point? McKinney fills a glaring need, but depth couldn't hurt.

Now that both Bakhtiari and Runyan are gone, Offensive Linemen (probably from Iowa) shot up the list too. It's not a glamorous pick, but a necessary pick.

And finally, don't forget about a Long Snapper. A lot of last year's ills could be addressed with a consistent LS.

I don't believe that Brian Gutekunst will pull any more rabbits out of his hat, but then again, I believed that Aaron Jones was going to be a Packers player in 2024 according to what Gutekunst stated before today...

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hobowilly's picture

March 12, 2024 at 10:05 am

Fully agree this changes the priorities on their board. Jacobs is gonna need a bigger space to run through than our fan favorite A Jones (who is the best in the NFL at getting through small gaps!) GB's Oline, despite what the stats showed it being a top notch group wasn't that good @ run blocking. Hence, i see a little more of a higher pick on the Oline. Would not be surprised to see them pick 2 or 3 Olinemen this draft. Unfortunately, GB picked the wrong center 4 drafts ago, which really pissed me off. GB focuses too much on big 10 players, esp da Ohio St.
Lastly, i'm hoping Hafley votes (eg puts a priority) on players who can tackle much better. I can only assume McKinney is good at that-we shall see but GB bought a player that is versitle it would appear.

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GB@Germany's picture

March 12, 2024 at 02:16 am

Besides the DB & AJ drama, the value of Runyan was shocking to me. I would have expected him to be back at a 1- 1,5m/ y deal, but getting him 30m/3y was a big surprise.
I`m curios, what will happen with Nixon. With the expected change of kick off rules, his value increased quite a bit.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 12, 2024 at 04:55 am

I believe (hope) they will re-sign Nixon.

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Cubbygold's picture

March 12, 2024 at 05:27 am

GB's ability to pull linemen out of the later rounds of the draft and continually turn them into above-average starters has been such a competitive advantage over the years. This would be a good year to do it again so they don't have to pay Myers big money next year.

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hobowilly's picture

March 12, 2024 at 10:14 am

Cubby, i recall so well when GB was on the clock the year Myers was drafted. I was like 98% sure (don't care what the pundits were shouting) GB was going to pick a center as Lindsley had been traded. Of course everything pointed to them picking OU's Humphries, clearly the best center available. but NOOOOOOOO! They picked a buckeye. Then, of course the chefs were next on the clock, it took them 10 seconds to put their choice in-Claude Humphries. I'm curious if they'd have picked Myers, if GB had chosen correctly and picked the Sooner. Hah, we found out....."sooner" than later!

At the time, i jumpted out of my loveboy, honestly did. Boy, i was pissed!! It only took that first rookie season to prove out GB had picked the wrong player as Humphries was all rookie and then became all-pro i believe. Myers, just still probably an average center. Anyone disagree??

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golfpacker1's picture

March 12, 2024 at 12:08 pm

That player was Creed Humphries HOBO, and he 100% should have been the choice for our center over Myers. Center ratings that year always had Humphries at the top, and Myers as low as 7th best center. I have wondered if Rodgers had any say in the choice? Humphries is left-handed too, if that made any difference.

My biggest question if we take an OL @ #25, is if an interior guy like Powers-Johnson or Cooper Beebe, would be filling a bigger need than an OT like Suamataia being the pick? An interior guy would seem to have a better chance of starting because we have an actual hole. But could King Sua, if picked, beat out one of the current starters? Then we also would gain a truly strong 3rd OT as well.

I am not as big of fan of Barton as some posters because it sounds like he would have to move inside and I think, even though he also has versatility as an average OT, Powers-Johnson and Beebe are just better interior OL. Beebe also has played all 5 positions.

I am a big believer in trade back over trading up, but I think this year, even picking at #25, GB will have a bunch of really good options to choose from at OL and D-Back. Depending how many QBs getting picked and traded up for will push players we like down to us.

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Alberta_Packer's picture

March 12, 2024 at 03:52 pm

As the selection of Love was Gutekunst's greatest hit - choosing Myers over Humphries was his biggest miss.

In this year's draft, I think that at least 3 picks should be O-Line. I would be tempted to pick Jackson Powers-Johnson at 25 (unless Kool-Aid McKinstry is available). As is, the iol is the weakest link with the departure of Runyan, the inconsistency of Myers and the questions still about Rhyan. Plus there is no depth on the interior. JPJ is an NFL ready o-lineman that the Packers could plug immediately at RG - be a back-up to Myers (who is FA after this year) - plus backup LG, if necessary. In other words, a 3-for-1 lineman who could probably start on Day 1.

Also, the Packers new running back (Josh Jacobs) runs a lot between the tackles - so having a superior run blocker - like JPJ - would be tremendous.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 12, 2024 at 12:33 pm

Latest mock after Day 1 FA frenzy:

28. Kingsley Suamataia-OT BYU-trade back

47. Cooper Beebe-OG Kansas State-trade back

63. Braden Fiske-DT Florida State- trade back and got Clarks replacement

88. Trevin Wallace-LB Kentucky

91. Calen Bullock-S USC

103. Khyree Jackson-CB Oregon-can start for Stokes now

107. Jaylen Wright-RB Tennessee

126. Mason McCormick-OG/OC South Dakota State

163. Myles Cole-EDGE Texas Tech-Smith replacement 2025

169. Brennan Jackson-EDGE Washington State

180. Jordan Magee-LB Temple-double up PON

193. Dillon Johnson-RB Washington

202. Storm Duck-CB Louisville-6'1 200lbs runs high 4.3s

245. Tyler Owens-S Texas Tech-a flyer-6'2 215lbs runs low 4.3s

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golfpacker1's picture

March 12, 2024 at 05:35 pm

Bears just signed Jonathon Owens

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golfpacker1's picture

March 12, 2024 at 06:24 pm

Willie Gay to the Saints-1 year $3 million. How did we miss that?

My favorites, Devin White and Bobby Wagner are still available

Josey Jewell gone too-Panthers. The pool is shrinking.

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