Packers Must Look Beyond 2024

The time is now to find critical future replacements.

A couple of things happened this week that likely affect how the Green Bay Packers will approach free agency and the draft.  Bucs receiver Mike Evans, despite being 30 years old and a ten year veteran, signed a new contract with the team which averages over $26 million per season.  One would think such a whopping salary would put him at the top of the chart at his position, but he is actually no higher than fourth.  Tyreek Hill ($30 million), Davante Adams ($28 million) and Cooper Kupp ($26.7 million) still rank ahead of him. 

The other significant event is that inflated salaries such as the one Evans received apparently scared teams around the league into franchise tagging their pending free agents.  There was a flurry of nine tags placed on players before the deadline to do so passed on Tuesday afternoon.  Clearly teams decided they would rather pay the tag salary for one year, than go shopping for a free agent in this inflated market. 

This affects the Packers in more than one way.  Green Bay is widely speculated to be active in the free agent market, particularly at safety, linebacker, and perhaps running back and corner.  Among the prospects coming off the board because they have been tagged are Panthers linebacker Brian Burns, Chiefs corner L’Jarius Sneed, Bucs safety Antoine Winfield Jr., Jaguars linebacker Josh Allen and Bears safety Jaylon Johnson (the Bears have now extended Johnson). 

Many of these were the top available players at their position.  Their teams locked them up to avoid having to extend them at the kind of bloated contract figure that Mike Evans was able to reel in.  For example, Tampa Bay will have to pay Winfield $17 million this year under the tag.  Currently, the top paid safety in the league is the Steelers’ Minkah Fitzpatrick at over $18 million.  No doubt the Bucs were going to have to pony up at least $20 million or more per year to extend Winfield. 

The Packers now have an idea as to how much it will take to try and sign what is left in the free agent pool.  The team is fortunate this year in that none of its own players set to hit the open market would be considered must-keep.  Those who will become unrestricted effective March 13 include AJ Dillon,  Yosh Nijman, Keisean Nixon, Josiah Deguara, Jon Runyan, Darnell Savage, Rudy Ford, Jonathan Owens and Corey Ballantine. 

Some of those would be nice to have back for depth purposes, but the Packers likely don’t view any of them as critical to their future.  Plus, players like Savage, Dillon and Nijman may find a surprisingly competitive market for their services as teams balk at bidding for the top names.  That may drive the cost of their departing veterans higher than the Packers would be willing to go. 

But as Brian Gutekunst and the brain trust at 1265 Lombardi Avenue approach the free agency period and the draft, they must look beyond 2024.  Their free agent list in 2025 demands much more attention, beginning, of course, with quarterback Jordan Love.  The Packers are expected to quickly resolve that issue by extending Love after May 3, probably at an inflated cost of at least $50 million per year.  But among the other starters scheduled to hit the market in 2025 are Kenny Clark, TJ Slaton, Aaron Jones, Josh Myers, Eric Stokes, and Isaiah McDuffie.   

Gutekunst has to be thinking about what sort of inflated salary it will take to keep them on the roster.  It is entirely possible that all could be worth more on the open market than the Packers would want to pay.  Take Clark for example. The eight year veteran had the best year of his career in 2023, setting career highs in sacks, tackles for loss and quarterback hits. He currently has the second highest cap hit on the team for 2024 at over $27 million. If he were to repeat last year’s performance, there’s no telling how much money he might command when his contract expires a year from now. He will want a long term commitment to stay. But Clark will also turn 29 years old in October, and defensive linemen can decline quickly. The Packers need to think seriously about acquiring Clark’s eventual replacement this year.  

Ditto for Slaton. The former Florida Gator has improved every season, and if he takes yet another step this fall he may price himself beyond what Green Bay might want to pay.  

How much of a commitment are you willing to make now to Aaron Jones, who is still very productive, but who will turn 30 in December? Myers has his critics but an experienced center is going to have a market.  Corners like Stokes will always get a second chance to establish themselves. It’s tenuous that any of these players will return in 2025. 

The point is, while we all focus on safety as the biggest hole that needs to be filled this offseason, the Packers can’t afford to be that near-sighted during free agency and the draft. The Mike Evans contract this week is a shot across the bow at front offices across the league. The message is, plan well ahead to find replacements for your key players, else you’ll be stuck paying them ridiculously higher than their actual value. 

 Green Bay needs to identify who they want to start in their defensive line, at center, at running back, and linebacker two years from now. Whomever they turn out to be, they need to be on the roster this summer. 

 

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Ken Lass is a former Green Bay television sports anchor and 43 year media veteran, a lifelong Packers fan, and a shareholder.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 08, 2024 at 12:33 pm

Solid analysis, Ken. 15 players, mostly starters or key backups, may be gone in two years. A few will be re-signed...but that is a huge amount of talent on expiring deals to manage through.

I expect your take is also Gutey's view. Perhaps a reason why he may trade out of the first round to add to his 11 current picks for additional quality depth with players on rookie contracts.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 08, 2024 at 12:33 pm

This is exactly correct, Ken.
My “best case scenario “ is we trade pick 25, possibly to someone who is trading up for a QB, for a first in 2025 plus a second round pick this year. We use the three second round picks on. C, DT, and LB. We use our third round picks on two DBs.
We use our two fourth round picks on RBs.
We use the rest on an OT and best available whatevers.

I don’t like pre-planning positions, so this is a “best case,” but it’s not likely to fall that way—but it could. I’d also consider trading one of our seconds and one of our thirds to get a higher second, because I think the cupboard will be bare of good LB, DT, and C if we wait.

Our greatest “current need” is safety, but we also need a LB and someone to replace K Clark and a Center/Guard.
I’m hoping we pick up a safety or two as free agents.

My ideal outcome would be using our three second round picks on Zach Frazierat 41, and Edgerrin Cooper at 58, and Braden Fiske at 65? (with the trade up costing a #3), then a DB like Bullock or Bullard, or Sainistril, or Hart, etc, at 88 then a RB like Isaiah Davis or Isaac Gurrendo with our third round pick 126.

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 08, 2024 at 01:48 pm

I just did a PFN Mock Simulator to try to recreate the above concept. I didn't get a #1 in 2025, but I got the Giant's #47 and #70 for our #25 (not unreasonable).
That let me get the following:
41 C Zach Frazier Our future starting center--another Corey Linsley
47 LB Edgerrin Cooper The best LB for us in this draft
58 DT Braden Fiske Has flown up draft charts, tremendous athlete and productive
70 S Cole Bishop An excellent prospect for the low safety position
88 S Calen Bullock An excellent prospect for the high safety position
91 Slot CB Mike Sainristil One of the best slot CBs in this draft
127 RB Ray Davis In my opinion, he's somewhere between Aaron Jones and Marshawn Lynch
168 OT Javon Foster A good OT prospect
204 LB Omar Speights Short but fast and strong-- good at ST minimum
216 RB Daijun Edwards Very under-rated in my opinion, sat behind excellent backs
243 OT Julian Pearl Another good OT developmental prospect
251 RB Austin Jones A Jones at RB? He's similar in many more ways than that.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:40 pm

I like Cooper, Fiske, and Bullock.

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LLCHESTY's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:52 pm

Ruke Orhorhoro had just as good a combine as Fiske, is a better run defender and has more pass rush upside. His arms are also 3" longer.

https://twitter.com/realmaceblack/status/1763319120068476969?t=FTjBKcrQm...

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PackEyedOptimist's picture

March 08, 2024 at 03:17 pm

I like Orhorhoro also, but Fiske had a GREAT Senior Bowl.
Still, I'd be happy with Orhorhoro at that pick as well.
Comparing the two is interesting; they are practically clones.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:39 pm

I like it Packeyed—I don’t want to dip out of the 1st round, but this makes good sense.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 08, 2024 at 08:01 pm

How about if we fill the actual needs we have for THIS year first, before we start using all of our top picks on down the road needs.

It is not a strong class for DTs, it's basically the same body types we have already. Give Clark a new 3 year contract, like what has been talked about since the end of the season, and then it's not a big worry. He isn't dying, he is 29 and playing as well as ever.

Nobody is going to give us next year's first round pick and this year's second for our #25 pick either.

I like Isaiah Davis, but he is probably a 6th round pick, not a 3rd.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 10, 2024 at 01:33 pm

#126 is a late 4th round pick. Guerendo will be gone in the 3rd round.

Isaiah Davis is a 6th round RB.

We don't need to trade up. Let the draft come to us.

We don't need Kenny Clarks replacement this year.

We don't need a center.

We don't need a 5'9 180lb CB like Sainistril.

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Packer_Fan's picture

March 08, 2024 at 12:39 pm

Ken, good points here. First Gute needs to decide on Jones and Bak before next week. Jones probably won't take much of a reduction. But Gute needs to get a big concession from Bak or dump him. Probably the latter. Maybe for Jones extend him to drop his numbers.

For free agency, I suggest signing Vikings Mattison for RB, Chiefs Tranquilla for LB and a high value safety plus Owens for depth. Then looks like Runyan may come back. Not sure if a free agent CB is needed. This level of free agency would help.

The draft becomes more of future than immediate starter. Except for a safety. But OL, CB, RB, EDGE and whatever is for future development.

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Cheezehead72's picture

March 08, 2024 at 01:12 pm

Bakh better be gone. Just like the Rodgers saga we need to lick our wounds and get rid of him. He did not take a reduction last year so I would believe he will not take one this year. He knows he has little if any chance to get a big contract. He can join Rodgers in NY and play on that turf he has complained about.

Jones might take more of a reduction than you think. He is an aging RB and he knows that he will not get much more in FA if we let him go plus we would probably release him after 1 Jun which would be less money as most teams would have built their rosters.

Mattison has shown that he is nothing special. Only bring him in if it is on the cheap otherwise we have Wilson and Taylor who are just as good. Plus it is always better drafting RBs because they are young and healthy.

Safety and ILB are the only positions we should be looking at in FA but if the right guy in other positions can be had cheaply then pull the trigger.

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Leatherhead's picture

March 08, 2024 at 12:57 pm

It's not just about this year, it's about the 4-year "Love Window". If Jordan Love is going to win a Super Bowl, it'll almost certainly be in that window, because after that, he'll be 30 and that's already beyond the age when most QBs not named Brady have won. Since FA and the salary cap, it's been young QBs winning the Super Bowls.

So these guys we're taking this year are going to be part of that window. Guys who will help Love move the offense. A guy who will line up next to him in the backfield for the next four years. Offensive linemen who can win the LOS. That's what we're looking for,IMO, in this draft. We're well positioned for receivers. We should basically have the pieces for a 30 ppg offense for the next several years, not just this year.

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Cheezehead72's picture

March 08, 2024 at 01:02 pm

This is a good article but the one thing to consider is that this should be the plan every year.

Since 2020 the average number of franchise tags has been 11 so this year is slightly lower.

Looking to the future is the reason that I have said I would not be surprised if we are not drafting at least one each WR, DL, and even TE. About the only position I believe we will not draft is QB. Yes, I know what Gute said but I really do not see that happening unless there is a QB that drops in our lap and he cannot be passed on.

We need to get at least a ILB and S in FA along with drafting at least one each but maybe two. After all we have 11 picks. With 11 picks Gute can draft looking into the future.

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LambeauPlain's picture

March 08, 2024 at 01:15 pm

Yeah, there will be some players who drop that are not pressing needs. We could see a DL, TE or WR taken early.

And I know a lot is said the Packers board is always focused on drafting the BAP. Not really.

I personally believe Team Gutey tends to draft BAPs AT positions of need in the first two days...then goes hunting for actual BAP regardless of position...for the most part. Even then they take need players on day 3...IE Carlson and Cliffy.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:42 pm

That’s how I see it as well Lambeau.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 10, 2024 at 01:35 pm

Thanks Cheezehead. I also thought that every player we pick in every draft is for the future. There is no transfer portal in the NFL.

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HarryHodag's picture

March 08, 2024 at 01:20 pm

One of the things I've seen with Gute is he often drafts for the season after next or 2025. If that's the case, look for a defensive lineman and offensive lineman being on the radar along with this year's needs of linebacker, running back and safety. Sad to say, but they likely would let Kenny Clark go.

One thing to keep in mind is as of today(3-8) the Packers are actually $4 million over the salary cap, contrary to popular belief. If you factor in the bonus money and the money needed to sign the draft picks they are over the cap. But if they cut David B. as expected and maybe Campbell, they will be under the cap about $20 million. I don't see them resigning many of their FA's with the possible exception of Nixon, if for no other reason than his return ability. Ford is also possible as a backup. But they will need to find a versatile offensive lineman. I think they might let Myers walk next season and move Zack Tom to center which was said to be his best position coming out of college.

Love's contract is key. If they can convince him to keep the first year reasonable they will be able to help find replacements. But if the contract works like Aaron Rodgers last deal, they will be right back into the mess.

Lots of options but by March 15 there should be more clarity.

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Starrbrite's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:45 pm

I believe we should re-sign Nixon and Runyon. Bahk, to my chagrin, must be released.

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LLCHESTY's picture

March 08, 2024 at 01:56 pm

I think the writer is stretching the truth a bit here. '23 was not Clark's best season. He was good and came on at the end of the season but didn't match his '18 and '21 seasons and probably about equal with '17. His numbers were better simply because their 2nd best DT wasn't Lowry.

Slaton is a JAG and not a great fit for the new system. You need penetrators and he's had 8 pressures in three years. People need to begin to understand you don't have to be huge to be a good run defender. Kris Jenkins is considered the best run defending DT in this class and he's 305 lbs. The 3 tech spot is pretty settled with Wyatt and Brooks, the thing to look for this year is a good run defender that can provide more pass rush upside than Slaton.

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BruceC1960's picture

March 08, 2024 at 04:05 pm

If Kenny is likely gone next year, any chance they deal him this year? Might get more value and cap help?

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LLCHESTY's picture

March 08, 2024 at 05:47 pm

Maybe an outside chance if they drafted someone like Murphy in the 1st or 2nd round. More likely he gets extended by the 13th.

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stockholder's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:14 pm

Everyone goes but Clark. Tag him.
Fixing the back 7 starts at safety.
Stay to drafting safeties and you won't get
a bust at cb.
Take a OL and you can move Tom.
Give me Jason Briggs late.
Beat the Lions.

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LLCHESTY's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:48 pm

Jason Biggs the actor? What do want him for?

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stockholder's picture

March 08, 2024 at 02:53 pm

25 Cooper DeJean S. Iowa.
41 Tyler Nubin. S Minn.
58 Payton Wilson ILB NC.
88 Christian Jones. OT Texas
91 Cole Bishop. S Utah
122. Javon Soloman Edge Troy
162 Ray Davis RB. Ktucky
203. Trey Taylor. DB AF
215. Jawon Briggs. DT. Cinn.
242. Ryan Watts. DB. Texas
250. Jase McCLellan RB Al

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LLCHESTY's picture

March 08, 2024 at 03:04 pm

Like punctuation, spelling is important.

15 pressures in 235 pass rush snaps? Not what they're looking for.

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GregC's picture

March 08, 2024 at 03:17 pm

I agree with the main premise about planning more than one year ahead. It's common sense but still worth being reminded about. I don't agree with all the mentions of "inflated" salaries, though. It's a market system, and that's what these players are worth, otherwise they wouldn't get paid that much. Also, I wouldn't be so sure that the Mike Evans deal caused more players to get the franchise tag. My understanding was that most or all of the players mentioned were expected to get the franchise tag anyway. Teams often wait till the last minute to make those decisions.

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ricky's picture

March 08, 2024 at 03:52 pm

This article once again shows the complexities of being a professional in the NFL. Juggling the current roster, looking to add FA's who will fit with the team's schemes, especially on defense. While doing that, keep an eye on guys who are going to have to be replaced in two years or so, while also making sure there is adequate depth for the inevitable injuries. While doing all that, try to gauge how much the salary cap will go up in the next few years and how that will impact salaries.
Then, in your spare time, get ready for the draft. Make sure you find guys who are football players, who will be upgrades over the guys presently on the team, and make sure you don't overdraft someone, or make a wrong decision that can be brought up years later. And on draft night, be ready to field calls, make calls, and know instinctively when a good deal could turn into a great deal. Stick with your board? What if someone slips lower than expected? Grab him, or let him slide because there must be something wrong with the guy. Or is it a false rumor from a team that covets him, but is drafting later? Smoke and mirrors, mirages and fools gold have to be ignored to find that diamond in the rough.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 08, 2024 at 08:39 pm

So if I get this right, if we try to use the 2024 draft to fill our needs @ S, OL, LB, RB, and CB, then we are not drafting for the future? Are all the players we pick in the 2024 draft only playing for ONE YEAR? They are all picked for the future. The PRESENT is pretty freaking important too.

What the hell happened to the extend Kenny Clark's contract talk that has been on every Packers website since the season ended? Did something happen to him today that we think he won't be on the team this year or next?

Kenny's not going anywhere. He has a dead cap hit this year of $25 million. Even if he isn't a Packer in 2025, we still owe him $15 million. They will extend him for another 3 years. Bank it!

It's funny but every new article that comes out pushes this year's draft needs in another direction. It's like watching a big flock of birds flying and turning as a group. It's a great concept to plan and draft for the future, but how about we fill the immediate holes and needs that we have for the 2024 season first.

This years DT group is not strong or deep. Sweat is not the guy to replace Clark eventually. Braden Fiske is probably the best fit in this years draft for that role, and he offers pass rush too. He might be a late first rounder though after he blew up the Senior Bowl and the Combine.

Next years DT group is way better. Let's get Clark's replacement then. My new favorite D-line player for 2025 is Jaheim Oatis-DT-Alabama, 6'5 370lbs and ran a 4.90 40. Think of that guy on our DL. I might even push for a trade up to get him. Other DTs next year that we could pick :

Nazir Stackhouse-DT-Georgia 6'3 325lbs 5.10
Dontae Corleone-DT-Cinn 6'2 320 lbs 5.10
Walter Nolen-DT-Tex A&M 6'4 320lbs 4.95
Jayson Jones-DT-Auburn 6'6 335lbs 5.18
Elijah Simmons-Tenn. 6'2 340lbs 5.10
Keyshawn Silver-DT Kentucky 6'4 330lbs 4.90

2025 will be a much better year to fill a future need @ DT.

Good centers can be found in every draft class, fill it next year.

2025 will also be a strong year for Edge rushers.

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golfpacker1's picture

March 09, 2024 at 11:36 am

Latest mock-fills 6 needs. Missed an early CB, but Kamal Hadden is my sleeper CB

25. Cooper DeJean-S- Iowa
41. Kingsley Suamataia-OT- BYU
58. Junior Colson-LB- Michigan
93. Brandon Coleman-OG- TCU
105. Jaylen Wright-RB- Tennessee#
125. Malik Mustapha-S- Wake Forest
145. Isaac Guerendo-RB- Louisville
164. Garret Greenfield-OT- South Dakota State
168. Brennan Jackson-EDGE- Washington State
181. Myles Cole-EDGE- Texas Tech
219. Jordan Magee-LB- Temple
245. Kamal Hadden-CB- Tennessee
255. Tyler Owens-S- Texas Tech

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