Packers Mock Draft Monday 10.0
By Ross Uglem
Ross will provide a semi-weekly roundup of national mock drafts relating to the Packers picks. This is his second run-through using The Draft Network's software. TDN's Predictive Board was used in lieu of their player rankings. In 2019 the Packers will pick six times in the first four rounds, so those are the rounds that we will focus on.
I really enjoyed the way that this played out because it's the kind of "fun" draft that the Packers can have due to free agency. I actually had the decision between Brian Burns and Ed Oliver. As you can find here in my one-of-a-kind Packers specific big board, I actually rank both Oliver and Burns in my top five, but Burns is ranked higher. I chose to wait on a pass rusher because of the free agent signings. Ed Oliver creates a potential Super Bowl level interior defensive line if Green Bay is able to re-sign Muhammad Wilkerson for peanuts for one season. After Wilkerson leaves the team (likely followed by Mike Daniels) a Packers defensive front of Oliver, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, and Montravious Adams is an extremely workable situation moving forward.
The addition of Hockenson gives the Packers another top 12 player, as the rest of the NFL chooses not to use their first-round pick on a "luxury" position. The free agency signings allow Green Bay to wait on the potential of Jachai Polite, as opposed to needing him right away. Hooker is a very nice complement to Amos. Antoine Wesley is 6'4"+ and Tytus Howard is an interesting small school prospect that at 6'5" flat could be part of the conversation at guard.
Roundup:
Matt Miller, Bleacher Report -- Oliver, Nasir Adderley, Irv Smith Jr, JJ Arcega Whiteside - this is a fine projection for what the Packers need, but it's not a likely scenario. Oliver and Adderley are top-flight athletes, but ISJ is not and Arcega-Whiteside isn't likely to be either (didn't test).
Dan Kadar, SB Nation - Mocking the Draft -- Rashan Gary, Smith Jr, Garrett Bradbury - shoot this one into the sun and hope it never comes back. Rashan Gary is the type of long term unproductive project the Packers don't have time for, ISJ is a non-elite athlete and Bradbury is a center-only prospect. The Packers have a top 5 center under contract through 2020.
Trevor Sikkema, The Draft Network -- Hockenson and Adderley - this is the kind of fun you can have when you address needs in the offseason. Safety and tight end may not be normal first round positions to target, but this secures very good players and absolutely elite athletes at both spots.
Ryan Wilson, CBS Sports -- Hockenson, Risner, and Adderley - LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Matt Stypulkoski, NJ.com -- Jonah Williams and Noah Fant - I'm sure I'd talk myself into this eventually, I just think it's a foolish use of resources. Williams is an average athlete, making him an unlikely Packer.
Omar Kelly, South Florida SunSentinel -- Christian Wilkins and AJ Brown - boy I sure hope not.
Packers Draft Prospect Vid of the Week (no highlights)
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Ross Uglem is a staff writer for Cheesehead TV. He can be found on Twitter @RossUglem
Comments (137)
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 01:18 pm
Ross, I would form a lynch mob for Gute if he (like you) doesn’t address OL before pick 118, our 6th pick!
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:24 pm
Kind of a ridiculous sentiment. 4/5 OL starters are inked through 2020.
Can address it in 2020 draft, can address it in 2020 FA, can address it if Spriggs continues to improve ('17 was better than '16, '18 was better than '17), can address it in the mid rounds of this year as I did, can address it somewhat with a Cole Madison unretirement, can address it if Alex Light is good (he legitimately might be).......
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:31 pm
and by God, you certainly wouldn't want a Packers mid-round draft pick on your offensive line. Those guys are all terrible!
Sitton - 4th
Lang - 4th
Bakhtiari - 4th
Linsley - 5th
Tretter - 4th
Better take one early!
Spriggs - 2nd
Sherrod - 1st
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 01:44 pm
Ever heard of Joe Thomas or Anthony Muñoz (1st round picks) two of the greatest OL in history.
Or let’s go more recent- Quinton Nelson high 1st round pick and as a rookie is already an All Pro
Please stop talking about Cole F’n Madison
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:48 pm
you've now mentioned Cole Madison 2x as many times as I have on this thread, though now I suppose I've tied you.
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 01:58 pm
LOL, ok won’t again.
I know Thomas and Muñoz are not likely available at 12, but don’t tell me you wouldn’t take them.
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:51 pm
the teams that took Anthony Munoz and Joe Thomas achieved five playoff wins total in the 24 combined seasons they were with the Browns and Bengals.
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 02:05 pm
They weren’t protecting Aaron Rodgers
Thegreatreynoldo
March 26, 2019 at 10:34 am
OT Joe Thomas 3rd pick. 10 PBs, 6 1st All pros
DE Gaines Adams 1 playoff game, 0 SBs
OT Levi Brown 6 P/O game, 1 SB - 0 wins
DB LaRon Landry 6 playoff games 0 SBs
RB Adrian Peterson, 5 playoff games, 0 SBs
DE Jamaal Anderson 1 playoff game, 0 SBs
WR Ted Ginn, 14 playoff games, 0 SBs
DT Amobe Okoye 10th pick. 0 playoff games
Winner: Ted Ginn, the skill position player, has the most playoff games. Levi Brown, another OT, has the only SB appearance. Didn't win it, though.
OT Anthony Munoz. HOF 9 1st All pro/11 PBs.
DE Bruce Clark 1 playoff game, No SBs
RB Curtis Dickey 2 playoff games, No SBs
DE Curtis Greer No playoff games
TE Junior Miller 1 P/O game, 0 SBs Grab him!!
DB Mark Haynes, 10 P/O games, 1 SB - 0 wins
DE Doug Martin, 7 playoff games, 0 SBs
DE Jacob Green 7 playoff games, 0 SBs
Winner: Mark Haynes.
So, I guess instead of taking Munoz and Joe Thomas, Mark Haynes and Ted Ginn should have been picked.
Swisch
March 26, 2019 at 10:45 am
Question is, TGR, is there a Joe Thomas or Anthony Munoz in this draft worth taking in the first couple of rounds; or would we do just as well to look for blockers in the later rounds?
I do think protecting Rodgers is way up there as a priority for this offseason. I'm just not sure what is the best approach.
Leatherhead
March 26, 2019 at 11:01 am
I think it's pretty clear that spending high picks on offensive linemen doesn't improve your team as much as spending those same picks on offensive skill position players and defensive studs.
You can draft an OT at #5. Or you can get a pretty good one at #37 and spend your #5 pick on a position that has more of an impact on the game.
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I just looked up all the OL taken in the first 15 picks over the last 25 years.
4 made the HOF, and a few more will probably when they are eligible
I arranged them by their AV (Average Value).
#33 and #34 on the list are Matt Kalil and Andre "Moobs" Smith, with AVs of 43 and 40, respectively.
Compare/contrast that with skill position players. #33 on that list is Marshawn Lynch, with an AV of 78.
#35 and #37 on the list of defensive studs are Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox, with AVs of 69 and 68.
I'm not slamming the importance of OTs, but it seems pretty clear to me that you get more bang for the buck on these early first round picks if you go with a skill position player or a defensive stud than if you go with an OL.
Swisch
March 26, 2019 at 11:42 am
Thanks, Old School.
Since you put in the good work, you may want to repost this comment when the next mock draft comes up here at Cheesehead TV.
It could make for some good discussion.
A couple of questions for now or later:
(1) Would you take Joe Thomas if he was available this year based on what you knew about him coming out of Wisconsin?
(2) Would you take Joe Thomas if he was available this year based on what we know about him now after his great career?
Thegreatreynoldo
March 26, 2019 at 01:16 pm
I thought we had debunked judging a player's value based on team accomplishments long ago. Terry Bradshaw has 4 SB rings but he isn't the 2nd best QB to ever play. Bradshaw is 103rd all time for CarAv.
We had a fine yds/carry average as a team so how bad a blocker could Graham have been? How bad could Byron Bell have been? GB had an above average offense, therefore it follows that no individual player could have been bad overall, or even bad at something in particular. GB was 22nd against the run. Clark, Daniels, and Martinez must not be good.
If GB uses BPA, we can discuss whether that means the player who improves the Packers the most, or who would have the most impact short term and/or long term, or if it just means the most talented player.
NitschkeFan
March 26, 2019 at 04:07 pm
Thanks for the breakdown, I just want want be clear that I was only advocating not waiting until PICK 118 for OL. I was not insisting on a “reach” if pick 12 doesn’t have a worthy OL
I’m certain at some point BEFORE 118 there will be SEVERAL worthy OL possibilities
Doug Niemczynski
March 25, 2019 at 02:51 pm
Is he married to dolly madison by chance?
Leatherhead
March 25, 2019 at 02:01 pm
I actually have heard of both those guys. Zero titles. I don't think Thomas ever played in a playoff game.
Drafting offensive linemen high in the first round almost never improves your team as much as a skill position player or a defensive stud.
Dzehren
March 25, 2019 at 03:06 pm
Nitschke- Bulaga was a 1st rounder- one of the best tackles in the NFL when healthy.
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 03:51 pm
They bdon't earn fantasy points.
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 02:29 pm
Ross, what you just put down with that list of Packer draft picks is what I call a persuasive kill shot. Nitschke will not be able to beat that. He can try and he is and that's why I am enjoying this immensely now. This is pure entertainment at it's finest.
Dash
GBPDAN1
March 25, 2019 at 02:42 pm
Love the first 4 picks, Ross. Actually, I like all 6 picks.
I do agree with NitschkeFan as obtaining another OL early would be beneficial as we must protect Rodgers and run block if we want our Offense to be elite again. I like our Oline now, but injuries could set us back this season and we need replacement for Bulaga next season.
Gambling that we hit on on a stud O-lineman mid 4th rd might be to risky, although, as you have pointed out, this was one thing TT was good at and maybe BG would be too?
You did a great job filling need with quality with all 6 picks. Our team would be upgraded considerably with these picks. Unfortunately, we still have needs at several positions and we can't fill them all early , but I feel maybe replacing the Polite pick with a O-lineman might be the better call? We spent big on Edge in FA, so maybe this a comprise we need to make as much as I would love to nab Polite at 44.
ricky
March 25, 2019 at 06:52 pm
You forgot Bulaga, who was a #1. But he is arguably a "mixed bag", as he's excellent- WHEN HEALTHY. But, definitely, you have a major point here. Draft position absolutely doesn't guarantee anything, other than higher expectations.
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 01:45 pm
A lot of “if’s” on your response. The OL was bad last year at both guard positions, and we have no reliable backup for our Tackles, one of whom is breaking down.
You have too much faith in Spriggs who I think is a bust, and COLE MADISON ?? WTF are you smoking
Please stop the nonsense with the late round success (why not trot out Tom Brady)
You want a list of All Pro 1st round lineman? Give about me two pages.
Bearmeat
March 25, 2019 at 01:35 pm
Nitschke -
With all respect, Taylor was hurt all year. RG is where the real problems were, and that's been fixed in free agency. The problems occur if/when Bulaga goes down, then Turner moves to RT temporarily, and RG is McCray?
Yes, OL needs attention, but not as desperately as front 7, TE and safety. I mean, McCray isn't a terrible 6th OLman. They don't grow on trees.
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:38 pm
tbh, Spriggs isn't a terrible 6th OLman. He was about league average at tackle last year, which as a backup holds tremendous value. There are about 10 teams out there, Minnesota included, that would have started Spriggs a season ago.
LeagueObsrvr
March 25, 2019 at 02:59 pm
I've been thinking that we may (hopefully) see marked improvement from Spriggs this year as his skill set seems taylor-made for the new zone scheme. What do you think?
Mike Wendlandt
March 25, 2019 at 06:38 pm
I agree. He came into the league as more athlete than tackle, but has shown improvement in specific areas each year. He's the best athlete on the line and a good fit as a swing tackle for a Shanahan-type scheme. He gets knocked because TT traded up for him. But he was in first round consideration for a reason that entire draft season. Let's give him until the preseason to see what he's got in Year 4. And if he doesn't work out, move on after this year when his contract is up.
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:37 pm
it's not nonsense, you're just making very bad points one after the next after the next. I don't have a lot of "ifs" I have a lot of options, which actually does more for proving my point, not less. There are a number of different ways that you can remedy what is at the earliest a 2020 problem.
Said nothing about faith in Spriggs.
What you're chasing is a pipe dream. Most NFL teams don't even have two serviceable tackles. The idea of having a 3rd one who can play is at best a luxury and at worst something you'll whiff on again anyway.
It's just not smart roster-making, especially with a club that's been so excellent at identifying mid-round offensive linemen. They don't have an immediate need.
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 01:48 pm
"it's not nonsense, you're just making very bad points one after the next after the next."
Agree Ross. I don't know why Nitschke doubled down. He should have quit. Now he's getting buried.
Dash
Bure9620
March 25, 2019 at 08:01 pm
I have Antoine Wesley going to the Packers in several of my mocks as well. He fits the Packers RAS and could be a nice pick up in the 6th or 7th.
Leatherhead
March 25, 2019 at 02:05 pm
The OL was not bad last year. Both PFF and Footballoutsiders.com rated the Packers offensive line above average.
We have our starters. I'd like to see a ready-to-start OT taken on the 2nd day of the draft. Personally, I'd trade down from #12 and get another pick in the 2nd round in the process, but that's just me.
Whatever you think of Spriggs, he's under contract. Unless he gets hurt in training camp, or plays terribly, he'll be on the Gameday 21. McCray, too, most likely. That only leaves room for one more.
Bearmeat
March 25, 2019 at 01:33 pm
As far as I've heard it, this is a very poor OL draft. If value falls to them on day 3, I'd be fine with that, but I don't want to reach when it's not absolutely necessary.
I'd be more than fine double dipping on front 7 and TE on day 1 and 2 of the draft. That's where the value will be.
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:42 pm
please stop using logic. They MUST reach for a player at a specific position, even though all five guys at that position are locked in.
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 01:53 pm
Ross the DL is also locked in until 2020 but that didn’t stop you from picking Oliver.
I completely understand that pick, you feel he is a good value at 12 and Daniels (like Bulaga) might be gone next year.
Though I think Daniel’s is more likely to be a capable starter longer than Bulaga. But you use pick 12 for DL and pick 118 for OL, that discrepancy is where we will just have to agree to disagree. (And Polite uugh)
I’ll take the CBS guys mock any day
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 01:57 pm
defensive lines rotate. offensive lines almost never do.
an offensive lineman who is not one of the preferred five is lucky to get 100 snaps.
a defensive lineman who is not one of the preferred three is likely to get 300 snaps.
Kenny Clark -- not a starter as a rookie -- 332 snaps
BJ Raji -- not a starter as a rookie - 348 snaps
Mike Daniels -- not a starter as a rookie - 224 snaps
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 02:02 pm
Though that is a good point, I expect Bulaga to miss hundreds of snaps.
Leatherhead
March 25, 2019 at 02:08 pm
Nobody can predict the future, but the Law of Averages strongly suggests that at least one of our offensive line starters will miss significant snaps this year.
If you're going to pay a 36 year old QB $25 million/year, you should probably make sure that you're going to be able to protect him, even when guys get injured.
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 03:27 pm
OS, How many sacks and pressures were on the Oline in 2018? I believe that statistic was revealed earlier in the winter and it bears fruit. Tedland is over. Spriggs was a high pick with a four pick tossed into the wasteland. McCray out-played the guy. Its a toss up between OT and DT/edge at the #12 pick. Whoever shows up take BPA and choose the other big guy in the second rd. #30 would go to the safety spot. Tramon is not the answer as the starting safety opposite Amos. There are TEs in the third round If Rodgers was put out of action in the Bear battle numero one '18, the Pack would probably be picking first in 2019.
Archie
March 25, 2019 at 02:37 pm
Lindstrom @ 44 would be ideal.
1 - Bulaga will go down; and,
2 - Spriggs will get AR killed.
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 03:12 pm
Lindstrom isn't going to help Spriggs not get Rodgers killed. He's a guard.
Boonedocks33
March 25, 2019 at 05:22 pm
Thoughts on this 7 round mock draft:
12: R1P12 EDGE MONTEZ SWEAT MISSISSIPPI STATE
30: R1P30 TE TJ HOCKENSON IOWA
44: R2P12 G CHRIS LINDSTROM BOSTON COLLEGE
75: R3P11 S AMANI HOOKER IOWA
114: R4P12 OT ISAIAH PRINCE OHIO STATE
118: R4P16 RB DARRELL HENDERSON MEMPHIS
150: R5P12 LB TJ EDWARDS WISCONSIN
185: R6P12 QB GARDNER MINSHEW
WASHINGTON STATE
194: R6P21 LB DRUE TRANQUILL NOTRE DAME
226: R7P12 WR TERRY GODWIN GEORGIA
Guam
March 25, 2019 at 02:55 pm
Ross, I think you may be more optimistic about the Packer O-line than some of the rest of us. Yes, 4 of 5 are under contract through 2020, but Bulaga seems unlikely to play all 16 games and Spriggs is still a question mark as are all of the backup interior linemen. If Cole Madison unretires that will help but I have heard nothing about it happening. I would prefer to see your 4th round WR choice converted to an interior line choice. I believe we need better depth than we presently have.
Your first 4 choices are home runs and I would love it if it happens.
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 03:33 pm
Still to be seen if LeFleur has any confidence in Taylor as a movement guard or if he has plateaued. Turner's film showed a guy at LG that could slide like a ballerina to the corner. There will be competition, no doubt.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 25, 2019 at 07:57 pm
Ross,
Completely Agree! OL a little later as value meets draft round selection.
Rak43
March 26, 2019 at 05:46 am
Hey Ross I noticed you mentioned ISJ as a non elite athlete that the Packers most likely wouldn't draft with his 5.84 RAS. But then you have them taking Polite in the second round with an RAS of 3.82. What gives?
Stic
March 25, 2019 at 01:39 pm
Not the year for Ol unless of course you want another Sprigggs. I was pissed off about that guy forever and then the vaunted TT screws me again and moves up to take him. God I'm glad that guy is history.
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 09:07 pm
It was a head scratcher from day one.
Rick1
March 25, 2019 at 01:46 pm
I see the draft going like your picks. The reason why I think the OTS and 2 QBS will get picked before 12. This draft is a match to Green Bay’s holes.
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 03:57 pm
It depends who panics with the QB selections. Murray seems to be AZ bound. THe rest of the bunch should go second half or second round but they won't. Don't see the trade ups like in 2018. Gettleman and Haskins or he goes DL/Edge to fix his Dline. If Taylor is there he will pounce. The #17 can give him a QB.
JonathanSpader
March 25, 2019 at 04:19 pm
TT isn't history he's a scout for the Packers. One who drafted Bahktiari, Sitton, Lang, Linsley, Tretter, Brulaga, the list goes on. Why focus on Spriggs who had elite measurements but couldn't put it together.
Mike Wendlandt
March 25, 2019 at 06:45 pm
Couldn't put it together...yet.
A lot of supremely athletic linemen take longer to develop than the more fundamental guys. A guy like Spriggs might be a perfect fit for the Shanahan scheme, and have a nice long career yet in the league as a tackle. He's not nearly as bad as everyone wants him to have been.
JonathanSpader
March 26, 2019 at 02:50 am
Mike,
Couldn't put it together yet is an unnecessary correction. He's not a rookie and has had plenty of playing time. He's improved but he hasn't taken a leap. Being more athletic has nothing to do with taking longer to develop. Some players transition to the NFL quicker than others they are all gifted athletes just to make it to that level. People want him to be good not bad. They're disappointed because he was traded up for and drafted high when the Packers had taken OL in rounds 4 or later for 10 years besides Brulaga. As for him flourishing in a new system that won't happen without the light bulb turning on and the time is running out in GB for that to happen. Doesn't mean it won't but he's running out of time on his rookie contract to prove himself as an NFL starter worthy of a 2nd contract or 1st with another team.
ShooterMcGee
March 25, 2019 at 01:54 pm
I do hope that TJ lasts to pick 30 but wonder if Gronks retirement changes things for the Pats. Perhaps they will be more likely to trade up for 1 of the Iowa TEs. I haven't heard about the WR Wesley so thanks for the video. Miles Boykin from ND seems like a perfect Packer prospect. Does anyone know if he is related to the former Packer WR Boykin?
LeagueObsrvr
March 26, 2019 at 05:32 pm
I agree with this. If the Packers want Hockenson, they're going to have to take him at #12 or trade down a few spots and still get him. But to think he'll still be available at #30 is too risky. I think if Hockenson begins to fall into the #20 - #30 range, New England will use some of their draft capital to move up and take him.
Leatherhead
March 25, 2019 at 02:09 pm
Yodny Cajuste, 2nd round. Also, we could get the guy from Texas A&M who shut out Josh Allen.
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 09:09 pm
He is a beast. Played LT for three years. Long arms and big mitts.
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 02:09 pm
Don't like Hoek. Like Fant more. Still- Double up on Simmons and I could go for your draft. I do not believe Daniels will be here next year.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 25, 2019 at 08:30 pm
Stockholder I'm with you!
However, would take either Oliver or Burns and be very happy. Do whatever it takes to get Fant who would change the Packers offense which unfortunately will require a slight move up from #30. Two of those 3 picks would make for a highly successful draft. Now if they have enough draft capital I would love for them to to package whatever draft selections needed to move up at top of round 2 for Simmons. Simmons would replace McDaniels in 2020. If Gute seriously wants Simmons and has an aggressive plan to get him at top of round 2 then I 'might' take Burns if available at 12 over Oliver whom I would love to see in Green Bay.
Dzehren
March 25, 2019 at 03:00 pm
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Dzehren
March 25, 2019 at 03:10 pm
Home run if you take a premium position at 30.
Bulaga and or Lane Taylor need to be replaced in this years draft.
scullyitsme
March 25, 2019 at 02:24 pm
Ross, You haven’t written an article it seems without coming back on the comment section and bashing your readers. It’s odd, some would say unprofessional. Everyone has opinions, don’t need to take them so personally. My guess is you need more beer, or less, but definitely beer is the answer. Dash agrees with you for gods sake, time to take a step back.
Archie
March 25, 2019 at 02:40 pm
".......Dash agrees with you for gods sake, time to take a step back."
Now that's funny!
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 02:59 pm
So you can bash the hell out of me with your derogatory comment but Ross, who's pretty much like any other person here doesn't have a right to defend his opinion? Is he just supposed to sit there and let people tear it apart? I applaud Ross for getting involved with the commentors. It's yet another new and innovative idea that some are enjoying like Dragon's ratings smash drafting thru numerology.
Let me telling you something else. Everybody takes comments personally, EVERYBODY!! i applaud Ross for engaging with the commentors. I thought his comeback with listing all the 4th rounders and the two 1st round busts was absolute persuasion gold. That never happens if he doesn't engage. I wouldn't be writing this if that doesn't happen. You don't make your inciting comments about me. We end up with a boring topic. That might be what you enjoy but boring don't pay the bills.
Dash
scullyitsme
March 25, 2019 at 03:12 pm
I’d reply, but I’ll let your comment speak for itself dash, remember Ross, beer.
MarkinMadison
March 25, 2019 at 03:11 pm
I've seen you agreeing with opinions, bashing opinions, getting defensive about positions, and dropping thinly veiled political references in the last 36 hours. How about some football opinions?
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 03:22 pm
You seem only interested in my nonfootball opinions. I can't help you with that. Try you and Scully for that.
Dash
MarkinMadison
March 25, 2019 at 03:11 pm
I've seen you agreeing with opinions, bashing opinions, getting defensive about positions, and dropping thinly veiled political references in the last 36 hours. How about some football opinions?
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 03:06 pm
scully, I was the target of Ross' ire. But I was having lunch typing with my fat thumbs on my tiny phone so it was hard to keep up (and not all the responses went in the correct slot).
I had a blast though, in the span of 20 minutes Ross and I posted a half dozen responses in real time. Best lunch I've had in years.
Ross did seem pretty upset that I was suggesting we pick an OL higher than 118. That really is not a crazy or unconventional suggestion. Not sure why he was so adamant and bringing out those old dumb chestnuts about Sherrod (why not mention Mandarich again). As if Datone Jones will prevent us from taking an Edge in the first round ever again, or Randall and Rollins is a cautionary tale to avoid taking DB's in the first round or two. Nonsense, pure and simple.
This on-line form of discussion is not the ideal method of communicating. No facial expressions, no voice intonation, very difficult to get humor or sarcasm across.
I honestly believe that if most of us were sitting together having that beer and talking about our Packers that we would all have a hell of a good time. Jousting about our idea's of what Gute should or shouldn't do would be loads of fun.
scullyitsme
March 25, 2019 at 03:16 pm
I was having more fun with it than anything, his previous articles/ comments where similar to this one. But they are opinions, that was just mine. The people who spend the most time on the draft aren’t more right on their picks than us schmucks. They will all be more wrong than right, sometimes they come off more arrogant though. I’m sure Ross is a great guy, just having fun with it.
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 04:01 pm
"I was having more fun with it than anything,"
Oh so that's what you were doing. So in other words, you were trolling.
Congrats Scully, job well done.
Dash
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 04:02 pm
Derrick Sherrod had his leg crushed. It wasn't about performance as his body failed him.
Johnblood27
March 25, 2019 at 10:08 pm
Lets nor forget that it was Marshall Newhouses man that boiled around the corner with MN as a turnstile that allowed him to bowl into Sherrods legs and cripple him.
MN was and is a disaster.
I so much wanted to like him, I had him as a Packer target in that years draft and look what destruction he wrought.
Damn you Marshall Newhouse!!!
Ross Uglem
March 25, 2019 at 03:15 pm
it's been my experience (and the suggestion of those who sign the paycheck) that readers prefer writers who respond.
as far as taking it "personally", if someone writes that they'll "form a lynch mob" (which is not really something that should be written anyway) if something you suggested occurs, that's personal.
scullyitsme
March 25, 2019 at 04:22 pm
Commenting on this site by writers I think is fantastic and often insightful. That wasn’t my point, I didn’t make it. If you read my comment, it said You seemed to be taking comments personally, not writing personal comments, big difference. Maybe defensive should of been used instead of personally. Might even apply now. :). Too often people mistake telling me what they know for a discussion. I love discussions, can’t stand people telling me what they know, see dash above and I’m sure below,
NitschkeFan
March 25, 2019 at 03:36 pm
Point taken Ross, the problem with this form of communication is the difficulty in expressing humor or sarcasm. Most definitely "lynch mob" can be taken as a terrible expression. That of course was not my intention.
BTW I took no offense in any of your posts and thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. I hope you realize that i am just a life long Packers / NFL fan. We are all entitled to our opinion of what Gute should do.
Keep up the great work.
P.S. I still wish we could add a Munoz or Thomas protecting Aaron Rodgers :)
(and Bulaga was a first round pick)
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 04:17 pm
"as far as taking it "personally", if someone writes that they'll "form a lynch mob" (which is not really something that should be written anyway) if something you suggested occurs, that's personal."
That's the two words that really shook me as well Ross. Nitschke wanting to form a "lynch mob" was over the line I thought. Now after reading his and Scully's comments after, it appears both were simply "having fun" for the purposes of attention. I guess all's well and ends well.
Dash
LarryPennell
March 25, 2019 at 07:22 pm
I can't for the life of me figure out why Dash keeps throwing his two cents in, like he's Ross's protector or something. Quite interesting. I think he just likes to try and be a bully.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 25, 2019 at 08:37 pm
Ross,
I did not interpret your responses as as anything other than good debate and you had very pertinent points which I full agreed with.
Pizzadoc
March 26, 2019 at 01:49 am
We all appreciate you Ross!
LeagueObsrvr
March 26, 2019 at 05:46 pm
I like the fact that Ross takes the time to interact with readers and defend his opinions and shed more light on his reasoning. I think it would make the comment section more lively and interesting if the writers interacted more with us fans in the comment sections.
Doug Niemczynski
March 25, 2019 at 02:53 pm
#12. T.J. Hockenson. TE
Dzehren
March 25, 2019 at 03:05 pm
Doug- Philosophically speaking, not sure GUTE will draft a non premium position in the 1st round- let alone at 12.
Doug Niemczynski
March 25, 2019 at 03:06 pm
I know
MarkinMadison
March 25, 2019 at 03:15 pm
To me, at #12's age, I'm starting to feel like a pro-bowl caliber TE is the equivalent of picking a premium position. NE loses Gronk, and they are immediately sniffing around the best TE on the market. Tell me its not a premium position. And maybe MLF's offensive system really makes it a bit more of a premium position as well. And I think while Fant and Hock are very different players, they both have Pro Bowl potential written all over them. I love these guys, and I would drop back more than 6 spots for fear of losing out on both.
Swisch
March 25, 2019 at 03:37 pm
I'm not sure Hock will be there at #12, let alone #30.
Ross doesn't think much of Smith at TE.
I seem to remember at least one Iowan here at Cheesehead TV who was pretty down on Fant (please pardon my lapses of memory; maybe that person, or two, could repost if it's not too much trouble).
After those three, I don't know if there are any sleepers at TE to be had in later rounds.
So the tight end position with regard to the draft has me dazed and confused, and my head hurts.
One thing about Hock is that we seem to get both a blocker and receiver in one guy.
Doug Niemczynski
March 25, 2019 at 03:47 pm
The best TE in years.
MarkinMadison
March 25, 2019 at 03:51 pm
This Iowan is bullish on Fant. Truly elite measurables, multiple years of production, including last year when defenses were really looking for him. You have to remember, Iowa had no credible threats at WR last year. His route running is not as crisp as Hock's and he won't wow you with the pancake blocks like Hock, but he is just smooth when catching the ball and he has the speed to make defenses pay if they sleep on him.
Skip greenBayless
March 25, 2019 at 04:39 pm
Tom Arnold, another Iowan likes Hockenson. I think I'll go with Arnold over you. Little bit more credible.
Dash
MarkinMadison
March 25, 2019 at 08:48 pm
You're proving my point about you, you realize that right? Nah.
Johnblood27
March 25, 2019 at 10:13 pm
Going with Tom Arnolds judgement means that you would advocate marriage to Roseann Barr.
Thats a losing position.
Game
Set
Match
Turn out the lights
On to another topic, this one is OVER!
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 06:12 pm
I like Fant! Good Call!
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 06:46 pm
Matt miller came up with Gary DE and Smith TE. I'm out on both. Gary is not what we need. Smith is 6'2". The rest of the Tes are at least 6'4". He's just to small for me. Pass.
KnockTheSnotOutOfYou
March 25, 2019 at 08:47 pm
S,
Both Iowa TE's are good. I have made my choice of Fant well known. I am sure either would be good in green and gold but I truly believe Fant could be a generational player at TE. You are right there was some poster on here who claimed Fant was a drama queen or something like that. I asked him to explain as I really wanted to know if there is something we should know about Fant that might make me change my opinion. Not sure if he ever answered and explained. Wish he would!
Watched Irving Jr at Combine and not impressed. Read RAS and poor score. NO!
Donster
March 26, 2019 at 06:32 am
That was more than likely me Swisch. First, Hock and Fant both won't be around by the time the Pack selects at 30. Fant is closer to a WR than a TE. He does stretch the field better then Hock. But he doesn't block near as well as Hock. He really slipped late in the season at Iowa for a few reasons. He started to bitch that he wasn't getting the ball like Hockenson was. Even his brother was tweeting against the Iowa staff, blaming them for not involving Fant more. The tension was there between Fant and HC Ferentz and OC Ferentz. But HC Ferentz didn't throw Fant under the bus when the media asked why Fant didn't get the ball more. He wouldn't do anything to hurt one of his players. Well Hock was getting the job done, in more ways then Fant was. And they needed the blocking for the run game. Hockenson is an all around football player who gives it his all every play. Fant at times just goes through the motions. As I have said here, he is a bit of a diva. That said, I feel he will have a good career in the NFL, but he also needs to think of the team more than himself. Maturity should get him there. But he could just as easily turn into another Dez Bryant/Antonio Brown.
Between the two of them, if the chips were down, I would want Hockenson on my team. A TE with his abilities, size, speed, hands and smarts doesn't come around very often. IF Gute grabs him at 12, he more than likely will have a guy who could play for the team for 10 years. And he is young. And in today's league, the TE position is more important than ever.
Swisch
March 26, 2019 at 10:36 am
Thanks much, Donster, Mark, and Knock for the observations, insights and opinions. I appreciate the enjoyable discussion.
I'm thinking that Hock at #12 would be a great pick as the complete package at tight end; whereas maybe Fant at #30 if he's still available and has expressed to the Packers enthusiasm as a blocker.
If Hock is to tight ends as Josh Allen is to edge rushers -- a good possibility as a perennial pro-bowler -- then get him!
It is hard to think of the tight end as a less premium position than most others. In any case, a pro-bowler at any position is the way to go.
Slim11
March 25, 2019 at 03:21 pm
Out of these picks, the only one I don't like is Polite at #44. I believe O-line (RG and RT) and TE need to be addressed before another EDGE rusher is selected at #44. As stated in another thread here, I am willing to let Polite go to another team while waiting for him to drop to the 4th round and taking him with pick #114 (first 4th round pick for GB).
I wouldn't be making this argument were it not for the FA signings GB recently completed.
albert999
March 25, 2019 at 08:15 pm
yup
Polites gonna be a ha ha bust
Lphill
March 25, 2019 at 03:30 pm
Big mistake at 12 if Devin Bush or Devin White are there and Packers pass them up , Martinez could be gone next year .
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 05:52 pm
I don't believe your right. White is a RB still learning the position. Bush has the toughness. But his size is borderline. Still if both these players are in the top 20. You could still make the case for either. Now let me tell you why I think your wrong. I think the ILBs are just as qualified a little later. In my latest RAS mock. You'll see I took 2 DL based on FA loss/Replacement ,2 ILBs who will be good, 3 OL who can all end up starters, 2 Safeties- Need. and 1 good RB. I did not take a Wr/Te. We found Allison. WR can be a FA. I left TE off because of Holes!
@12 Oliver,@30 Simmons,@44 Lindstrom,@75 Thornhill S, @115 Ty Summers IlB,@ 119 Max Scharping OT, @ 151 Zedrick Woods S, @ 186 David Long ILB, @ 196 Alex Bars T, @228 Mike Weber RB
Doug Niemczynski
March 25, 2019 at 03:40 pm
how can hockenson not be there at number 12 I thought you guys said that's a premium position and you only take linebackers quarterbacks defensive ends safeties does changing your mind now I'm really interested to see what New England Patriots are going to do
Swisch
March 25, 2019 at 03:47 pm
A month away from the draft, it's time to put away silly analysis and get down to basics:
(1) No one with the first name of Aaron or Josh.
(2) No one with the last name of Smith or Jones.
(3) No one with hyphenated names, or more than two names altogether.
(4) No one from Alabama (mostly because I don't like this football program for hogging the spotlight).
(5) At least one player from Boise State (Why should Dallas have all the fun?).
(6) At least one player related to a former Packer (e.g. Nasir Adderley)
I think all of us can agree that these are the kind of essential considerations and savvy moves that will have us back in the Super Bowl by 2020.
EddieLeeIvory
March 25, 2019 at 04:52 pm
#3 definitely you are correct.
Boonedocks33
March 25, 2019 at 03:52 pm
Thoughts on this 7 round mock draft:
12: R1P12 EDGE MONTEZ SWEAT MISSISSIPPI STATE
30: R1P30 TE TJ HOCKENSON IOWA
44: R2P12 G CHRIS LINDSTROM BOSTON COLLEGE
75: R3P11 S AMANI HOOKER IOWA
114: R4P12 OT ISAIAH PRINCE OHIO STATE
118: R4P16 RB DARRELL HENDERSON MEMPHIS
150: R5P12 LB TJ EDWARDS WISCONSIN
185: R6P12 QB GARDNER MINSHEW
WASHINGTON STATE
194: R6P21 LB DRUE TRANQUILL NOTRE DAME
226: R7P12 WR TERRY GODWINGEORGIA
leche
March 25, 2019 at 05:18 pm
It's all good through 4... Edwards probably lasts until later and might be a reach at 150... Minshew is terrible and would be a wasted draft pick in the 7th... Tranquill probably doesn't last that long.
Boonedocks33
March 25, 2019 at 05:25 pm
Definitely agree with you on minshew and tranquill
CheesyTex
March 25, 2019 at 07:11 pm
IMO Tranquill has had so many serious injuries that he may not be drafted at all.
4thand10
March 25, 2019 at 04:34 pm
I’m not fond of the Wesley pick, I don’t see the difference between him and the 3 receivers not named Adams. I don’t see anything that screams slot WR out of home either. Go get Deebo....multiple problems solved with one pick.
MikeS
March 25, 2019 at 04:36 pm
Ross: Look at the blueprint for NO, SF, and Rams. Get a TE at 12 who can be there for both present and future. At 30 the top OL and at 44 the best Saftey. Agree defense wins championships, but you've got to protect AR. You can't do that with Oliver at 12.
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 06:02 pm
There is no Top OL in the top 30. There isn't one that can go in and start. So Baptism by Fire will make them a Bust. If not get A-Rod hurt! The 2nd round is where the guards will be. Oliver is your future. TE @12 isn't. The blueprint didn't have Graham!
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 09:12 pm
Noody in the SEC got through Taylor.
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 09:26 pm
Will not be able to handle the speed rushers of the NFL. Must get feet right. Can dominate with power. Bet he gets called for holding to much.
jannesbjornson
March 26, 2019 at 05:54 am
Well, he faced Sweat and Allen in SEC play and Polite in practice for three years. HE won't fall out of the top ten.
4thand10
March 25, 2019 at 04:41 pm
I’m not fond of the Wesley pick, I don’t see the difference between him and the 3 receivers not named Adams. I don’t see anything that screams slot WR out of him either. Go get Deebo....multiple problems solved with one pick. Special teams, slot WR and does nothing but catch the football. This dude is NFL ready. My official draft crush...Deebo Samuel.
MikeS
March 25, 2019 at 04:42 pm
Hock at 12, end of story.
stockholder
March 25, 2019 at 06:17 pm
irresponsible!
Doug Niemczynski
March 25, 2019 at 09:49 pm
Totally Agree. Finally some sensibility!
EddieLeeIvory
March 25, 2019 at 04:53 pm
You have to expect about 5 guys we know nothing about.
Duneslick
March 25, 2019 at 05:18 pm
Packer Greg says those mock drafts are the same only different
jeremyjjbrown
March 25, 2019 at 05:39 pm
I like this draft. Too much arguing on this thread to say why...
Dzehren
March 25, 2019 at 06:46 pm
4 things I think I know.
1. TJ Hockenson is a tough subject around here.
2. Apparently OL is becoming the runner up.
3. This is the best front 7 draft in many years.
4. That being said, GUTE needs to inject some offensive talent during this draft @ the right spots & rounds.
Rick1
March 25, 2019 at 06:49 pm
You draft players that can strengthen your roster and that helps win football games. Taking the best player no matter what is how you build a deep talented core. If It is, lineman and a TE in the first round fine if it’s DT and edge that’s fine. Get players that aren’t projects and keep amassing talent to compete. Don’t fall in love with a player and skip over better players. Bad teams do that, Gutekunst is smart and steady and going to get more talent on this roster.
CheesyTex
March 25, 2019 at 07:22 pm
At 114 doesn't Parris Campbell deserve a little love?
What's not to like -- speed, good routes, blocks, returns kicks, played for elite program vs. top competition in big games, etc....
Not sure why others are rated so much higher, but IMO he'd be a value pick at 114.
leche
March 25, 2019 at 09:06 pm
I can't imagine Campbell is around at 114, honestly. He's not rated quite as highly because he doesn't have the size, but he's still rated pretty highly
LarryPennell
March 25, 2019 at 07:24 pm
Ross, I really enjoy your articles and appreciate the time you put into reviewing the film and breaking it down for us readers. I also find it refreshing how you interact with the comments and defend your opinions, please keep up the good work.
PoizNgun
March 25, 2019 at 07:35 pm
The one from Ryan Wilson would be the most exciting from these, and would have the best ability to contribute early. If White, Oliver or Burns is still there at #12 I think you take him over Hock. Other than that, I'd consider that mock to be off to a A+ start. I'd also be pretty happy with a (#12) Oliver, (#30) Bush, (#44) Adderly/ "Hollywood" Brown.
lowcsp
March 25, 2019 at 07:39 pm
Look what indy did last year by drafting a top ten offensive guard and a later round starter I would love to see defense at #12 but one of the offensive tackles would work. But please no Polite any were.
CheesyTex
March 25, 2019 at 08:20 pm
Indy got Quinten Nelson (sp/?), a consensus lynchpin OL, and there isn't a Q.N. in this year's draft.
IMO the Pack has too many other holes to waste #12 on OL, and day 3 is soon enough to look for BPA on OL. (I am bullish that one solid OL will emerge from among Siragusa, McCray, Patrick, and Light).
jannesbjornson
March 25, 2019 at 09:13 pm
scrub watch 2019.
Bure9620
March 25, 2019 at 08:09 pm
Round 1 Pick 12: Oliver, Ed, DT, Houston (A)
Round 1 Pick 30: Fant, Noah, TE, Iowa (A-)
Round 2 Pick 12: McGary, Kaleb, OT, Washington (A)
Round 3 Pick 11: Lindstrom, Chris, OG, Boston College (A)
Round 4 Pick 12: Jelks, Jalen, DE, Oregon (A+)
Round 4 Pick 16: Thornhill, Juan, SS, Virginia (A+)
Round 5 Pick 12: Meyers, Jakobi, WR, North Carolina State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 12: McSorley, Trace, QB, Penn State (A+)
Round 6 Pick 21: Gaines, Greg, DT, Washington (A+)
Round 7 Pick 12: Johnson, Isaiah, CB, Houston (A+)
jannesbjornson
March 26, 2019 at 05:58 am
Solid but Thornhill will be in the high second round as a FS.
PeteK
March 26, 2019 at 08:09 am
Who is going to run the ball ? Two running backs on the roster, one of which has never played a full season.
Packer Dave
March 25, 2019 at 08:13 pm
Wowzers. If that is how our first six wins up we will be in business this year. I can't warm up to either Hock or Fant making it past the teens, but Oliver would be a nice horse to add to the DL.
fthisJack
March 25, 2019 at 10:49 pm
no....Lindstrom at 44 and Isabella first pick in the fourth. don't need anymore 6'4" WR. need a fast , quick slot WR.
AgrippaLII
March 25, 2019 at 10:56 pm
Oh yeah...another mock that fails to address the situation on the offensive line. Like last year...we need a RT and we draft a guard who doesn't want to play football anymore. Who blew the scouting report on that one? Howard has been projected to be a guard at the next level so why would you take him before you get a real tackle? Polite is a one trick pony as a pass rusher...I'd rather have an OT in his draft spot.
PeteK
March 26, 2019 at 08:22 am
We have an aging Hall of Fame QB and often injured Right tackle ,but we're not addressing the O line in early rounds. Spriggs ,while slightly improving is not a starting T. Oliver is a great pick ,but why draft a position of strength . Remember that Smith is a large OLB and can move inside and play end in some schemes. Love Wilson's draft of Hock, Risner, and Adderley. Add Miles Sanders from Penn St and we're ready to show who's boss on Sept 5 !
leche
March 26, 2019 at 09:50 am
Just ran through the same setup as Ross, here's what I came up with:
#12- Devin Bush, LB, Michigan
#30- TJ Hockenson, TE, Iowa
#44- Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia
#75- Michael Dieter, OL, Wisconsin
#114- Devin Singletary, RB, FAU
#118- Justin Hollins, Edge, Oregon
#150- Ben Burr-Kirven, LB, Washington
#185- Derrick Baity, CB, Kentucky
#194- Armon Watts, DT, Arkansas
#226- Preston Williams, WR, Colorado St
Doug Niemczynski
March 27, 2019 at 10:20 am
School: Iowa | Year: Sophomore
You'd be hard-pressed to find a scout who doesn't love Hockenson's game. A ferocious blocker with good hands and superb route-running skills, he's viewed as a complete tight end. Reliable, sturdy, proven -- he'd make new Packers coach Matt LaFleur (and, more importantly, Aaron Rodgers) very happy
stockholder
March 27, 2019 at 10:30 am
Never live up to your hype. The packers trade down and take Bush ilb. Picking up a second rd.