That is a pretty good summation. No adaptation to a run heavy O and hoping a pass oriented line up would cut it. It did not. Outside of Slaton and particularly Clark, all those lighter guys got steam rollered. Meanwhile we have a DT on the practice squad inactive. That’s before your point Z out the 2DL looks yesterday.

It’s not the first time we’ve insisted on this either. It’s either arrogance that his way is right or an inability to have more than one approach. Maybe both. It was eerily like rewatching the Eagles last year. Sorry, once was enough, but to repeat the same errors and fail as badly (against a seemingly lesser team) is indeed indefensible.

No wonder LaFleur was frothing at the mouth by his standards over being carved up. Well now he’s confirmed that wasn’t acceptable, what he going to do about it will be the true test.

Next week looks like a challenge more designed for our build: a (very much better) WR group and passer though. Let’s hope we can stop that. If Jamaal can run on us at will, that probably will call the reaper. If we can’t defend against the pass though, Barry will probably have no where left to hide either. Big week for Barry, big problems for LaFleur if he fails.

Gary showed he still has a way to go in his recovery. It showed when he was unable to chase down Ridder. It will come, but it will take time. The motor is the same, but right now it's apparent that he doesn't have the same speed.

How many DC's have met with so much futility possessing 7 or 8 First Round draft picks?

Have any DC's ever had as many first rounders? I don't know where to find the information but I would like to know if any did. And what was their record as DC?

Maybe Barry is the only one who has had so much talent matched by even more disappointing results.

Can you really throw the blame on the players who were switched into playing pass prevent D against a Run O as the first downs, plays and scores continued to mount?

Joe Barry is out of his depth just as he was last year and the year before. He may well be a good position coach and a nice bloke but he is not a co-ordinator. I don't understand why he was re-appointed and I don't understand why anybody is surprised at what happened against the Falcons; it's what always happens with Barry.

Does this mean there is no chance against really good teams? Atl isn’t exactly a juggernaut.

Well said Mark! That was such a frustrating loss because this was a very winnable game!

So it's the Defenses fault
and not Loves for putting the game away.
Rodgers never had a Defense; yet he
was expected to put the nail in the Coffin.
OMG- this is just Too much.
Love had Brain Farts and you blame Barry.

If Barry wasn't Rod Marinelli's son-in-law, would we ever have heard about him? I doubt he gets a single shot at being DC if his Pappy-in-Law hadn't installed him when he took over the lions. There's a specific word for that, oh yeah, nepotism. What was their record the year both were shown the door? Oh yeah, 0-16.

A loser elevated past the Peter principle because of who he married. Classic MLF hire.

Plenty of blame to go around but J Barry is incompetent. MLF is not a an offense guru and his leadership is weak. Clock is ticking for them both.

I see the Packers tried out 6 new faces today after the ATL game that was extremely winnable! 3 on defense, 3 on offense.

How about trying a new DC?

Barry couldn't get it done in Detroit or Washington. Why does MLF think he can be successful in GB? It's painfully obvious to fans and sports writers that Barry needs to go--and soon. If MLF won't do it, then he should be gone too. But we all know Murphy won't do anything because he's basking in his glory for getting the NFL draft. Just one big happy family; they'd rather be buds than make the tough decisions to have a successful franchise.

Let's face facts, Barry has been a defensive coaching disaster throughout his career. Although a change should be made at D coordinator, nothing is going to happen during this regular season. MLF needs get his managerial coaching ducks in a row come the end of the season and if he doesn't, two major coaching changes will need to occur.

People people people. This isn't Joe Barry's defense, it's Matt LaFleur's defense. Stop deflecting. Joe Barry is an errand boy. This is Matt LaFleur's team. You're all missing the big picture. Joe Barry meets with MLF all week. They develop a game plan. Joe Barry is executing MLF's game plan.

Your beef is with LaFleur. Also too, the offense lost this game. The defense did enough to win. LaFleur spit the bit, again.

We have a coaching problem on both sides of the ball .

Why does this site staff keep blaming Joe Barry for the 2 plus years of soft defensive embarrassments week in an week out ?

Did Joe Barry Hire Himself ?
Did Joe Barry Retain himself last yr and this yr as defensive Coord ?

what do you people expect with a Joe Barry lead defense this is his third rodeo it ain't gonna change . Go ahead gute keep drafting and spending on the defense seems to be working out well

Whoever is responsible for hiring this man "Joe Barry" and retaining him should be shown the door yesterday . Since i have no idea who that is maybe the Staff here does .

Joe Barry is actually an amazing business man if you ask me . He married right, and he is cashing nice paychecks week in and week out .. Joe Barry is the MVP in my view . Go keep doing what you do Joe

Is it just me or is there a whole bunch of brain dead offensive guru's out there - watching tonights games. How many times are teams going back to pass when just inside field goal range and taking a sack? Like we have done the past 2 games. Even the game that we just lost we had a chance at the end of the game to come up with a 4th down stop and of course we didnt do it and if we could have and won the game - when the smart offensive move should have been kick the field goal - But of course we couldnt come up with the stop and they ran more time off of the clock.
Now it was only one game and one that we should have won - but maybe the loss will be good for MLF - He is not the guru that he thought he was after the first win without AR. Even against the Bears he abandoned the run and his first down calls have been mine boggling.

Give Jim Leonard a call before it is too late.

Anyone who has scene the Badgers defense stink this year knows he is an excellent DC. He would not turn down the job a second time.

The offense is the inexperienced side of the ball in comparison to the defense. Offense was down 4 starters including their two top big play threats. Defense had all of their preferred players available. Offense puts up 24 points on the road very short handed, the defense with everyone playing gives up 200+ yards rushing to a team that you knew full well has to run effectively to win. The defense needed to come up with the goods to win this game and laid an ostrich egg. Is it players, is it scheme? Without being completely on the inside of the operation we really do not have the full picture. However, the facts say that this team has been one of the worst defensive teams against the run during the last two coordinators running more or less the same type of scheme. The head coach ultimately bears responsibility because the failures of his coordinators are his failures. I hope they can turn it around but history is probably telling us that this leopard can not change its spots.

I would prefer that the Packers have the general manager in complete control of all football operations and then he can be held accountable for the success or failure of the team.

Joe Barry cant find his way out of a porta potty!
Joe Barry thinks "manual labor" is the president of Mexico
Joe Barry thinks "defense" is french for The Fence

I'm like many of you are wondering just how much pain will the team suffer in loses and the fans before LeFlower has the gonads to get rid of him. Lets say the next four games are all loses due to defensive play, is it time to try and salvage the season or pretend nothing is wrong?

I love the suggestion(s) to hire Leonard. I know it won’t happen; especially in light of the Mo Drayton disaster.
During the ‘68 season, after he had become the GM, Lombardi apparently once said (speaking of the Packer coaches) that someone had to be an SOB. There seems to be no one willing in the Packer organization make the difficult decisions. Someone has to become the SOB.
Go Packers!!!

This game loss was on Love and the offense. Out scored 13-0 in the 4th Q giving up a 24-12 lead. Their last three possessions totaled only 11 yards with Love 0-6 in late game clutch time. He failed in accuracy to hit receivers and move the chains. If one of those three possessions kills some time and they get even one FG it’s a Packer’s win. Atlanta had 83 offensive plays to Green Bay’s 46 and the Falcons dominated time of possession leaving the Packers D totally exhausted. This game was lost by the offense inability to mount time consuming drives in order to give the defense adequate rest.

Wow! The Joe Barry hate is palpable! We used to hate Dom Capers with a white hot passion! Then we really hated Mike Pettine, remember the 49er championship game? Now it's poor Uncle Joe. This is the age of offenses people! The Packers MUST play complimentary football. It is a team loss and that happens. It's early in the season and we have a long way to go. Let's try toning down the hate and finger pointing and try supporting the team. Once the season is done we can reassess our coaching performance. Besides, what I saw was a physical team beat us down on a player v player level. They blocked better, ran better, covered better and made the plays when they needed them...and we still almost won. Take heart naysayers and act more like the rational adults I know you all are.

Joe Berry has proven that he is late at making adjustments. I would be happy if he would make halftime adjustments where a good DC makes adjustments all game long. He thinks his plan will work. Look at last year playing mostly zone when he has a man defense. Once he switch to man and had JA following the best WR they did better even without Gary. He finally moved up to the booth. Never understood how a coach thinks he can coach better on the sideline. You cannot see as much and there are too many distrctions.

Berry needs to go.

No it is not his fault. Bahk did not play eventhough he is the highest paid player on the team. I do not believe it is because of his knee. He did not want to play on turf and MM and gute allow this t happen. Sit him the rest of the year and get rid of him.

About the defense:
think about this terrible 4th qr again. Did you also feel how I felt? Falcons were lining up, I knew, you all knew, Packers knew, Barry knew that they will run 8 out of 10 plays at least. The problem was that we also knew they will go 5+ yards for sure like guaranteed. It was like this 2 full drives with short pauses for 2 long passes. Is it really THAT HARD for us that there is not even a play to be called to have a small chance to stuff this run shorter than after 5 yards? If it was once, I'd assume Bijan is a generational talent and it just showed up and Falcons execute perfectly their new schemes or sth. But it was like this every year starting with Raheem Mostert who surely isn't generational talent. We let players beat records on us and average QBs get into control like elite ones.
Somebody please answer my question, because I am relatively newer to football than most of you. What is the real, primary problem for us stopping the run?
1. We have the worst defeners in the league in this term and even good play calling can't help because they don't know how to execute? - so why we draft only for pass rush?
2. Our D is not premium but not the worst in run stopping but the play calling makes things much worse than it could easily be.

I vote for #2, why? The problem is much wider than only run stopping. It's like ignoring the opponents strenghts or brave/crazy predictions he is going to fool us and attack from the other side. Our rivals rarely surprise, they punch us with their strongest card and we seem to be fine with this and not make any in-game corrections. Our first meeting with Vikings in 2022 - we let Jefferson fly around without coverage the whole game, no corrections made. JaMarr Chase a year before. Ravens in 2021 - we knew their only true weapon on limited roster was Mark Andrews, and what - 136 yds and 2 TDs. I know stars will shine and hurt us, but we seem like not even trying to limit them. The next argument is how we couldn't stop slot receivers in 2021-2022 and how problematic was defending diagonal passes. Next argument for #2 is lining up Campbell with Bijan lined up as a WR. Who in the world could even think about it? Unfortunately there is one who called this in reality and we need to deal with it.

About our O:
their production in 4th was pathetic. Dillon's production and Love's sneak call was very frustrating. Also Love didn't see open receivers in the end when stress probably made him more rigid in mind and body. But how many of you could suppose that Love will be 6-0 in TD-int after two games and that's without WR1, RB1 playing 25% of time, and OL hurt again? I would take it. Plus, I remember when the last year our O had multiple 3 and outs and punts in a row, unproductive halfs and it was with HoF QB at the helm. Not to mention he didn't see Lazard open in many much more important situations than Love in week 2. Throwing to doubled Adams instead. Offense didn't deliver in 4qr and we can only find excuses for them. But if there is really a learning curve and youth needs to develop, this is now when we need to be patient. /it can be sometimes ugly this season. Be prepared.

You can't blame the coach when two of your top defenders were essentially AWOL. To be specific: Jaire Alexander and De'Vondre Campbell. We expect better from them and they would say the same. On offense most of Dillon's yardage came after contact. Generally at the line of scrimmage. So yes, there is plenty of blame to go around. Game defensive ball goes to Quay Walker. He was outstanding.

Are you familiar with very old and true proverb: Fish smells from the head!

I have nothing against Joe Barry as person. I do not know him and I do not have nothing positive or negative against him. He might be very nice person.

But Joe Barry as Packers DC - I have a lot vs him. Unfortunately nothing effective. Look at this statistic: Atlanta scored 2 TD and 4 FG. What that means? It means when field is short (as it is in the redzone or at GtoG), Atlanta had not much success. Why is that? Because field was short and all Packers D were near their targets, not 10 or 15 yards down field. So, Packers D was able to stop run (except that TD by Ridder what looks like he surprised even his team).

You know what I think. I posted my opinion of Packers DC under the article "Game balls and Lame calls".

Looking 2 days away from the game, I came to one conclusion - MLF & Joe Barry are the fingers of one hand - those small, the weakest fingers.

I do not blame players. Especialy not the D players (well Jaire shoud swallow some criticism, it looks like he was not in the game with his mind). When you look playing time on offense it is clear that D was exhausted towards the end of the game, while offense play calls were preseason play calls in 4th Q. So MLF expected from Jordan Love to find a way to throw the ball in very, very small windows with so little chance to success, even for HOFer QB.

Complete coaching staff - HC, DC and OC -should be fired at the end of the season if HC do not go to acting GM (famous Mark "we are not idiots" Murphy) and ask him to replace DC before week 6 of the season. I also expect from Brian Gutekunst to support that request.

I know we all know that this will not be the case. So, we can only prepare ourselves for more painful loses through this season. Fresh breath will only come with fresh change of attitude.

I will not place any other prove for the decision except replacing of FG unit by Punting squad, knowing that your kicker has leg for 65+ yards FGs and that he has the best FG% from 50+ yards through preseason & TC. How pathetic and wrong was just that decision!

Packers fans should start the petition for replacing Joe Barry! And we should do that for the sake of all Packers players, organization and us, fans.

Thank you!

Fire Barry now please. Thank you.

Mark…. We’ve surrendered 45 points. That’s better than most teams. And we’re On the road both times.

SSSSSSS

Downvotes with no explanation. That really makes things clearer.

Will someone please explain/justify why the Packers continually operate a 2 and 3 man front in the attempt stop the run?

My final comment about the defense - Bears game we had a couple of idiotic after the play penalties, This last game we had a whole bunch of missed assignments and obvious dumb plays - Gary looked at the QB with the ball and ran towards where the pocket was rather than going after him. That was not a smart move. Against the Bears our defense was swarming - we still missed a bunch of tackles but because we were swarming we cleaned it up most of the time ( Fields got away a couple of times but not like last year). That didnt occur against the Falcons. So obviously coaching and defensive discipline is not there and that Barry's fault. A lot of DC's get their group to play over their head no matter the talent. Barry cant seem to get it together. Dropped passes sometimes occur but when right into one's hands - and you see it coming - NEVER. Final note on Bak - in watching the Bears game a couple of times he was laying on his back for a few seconds at the end of the play. His knee is done - and he will be lucky to make through this season. Maybe Lafluer needs to look closely at a rotational situation to keep him as good as possible and get the other guy snaps when he is fresh - of course it will depend upon Jenkin's health. And what about Caleb Jones and his development - I like him better than Ryhan - just from preseason but that was against other teams second teamers.

Enough is enough. Barry is no DC. First quarter, ATL was 3rd and 15 deep in their own territory. Barry has the DBs playing 15-20 yds off the ball. Ask yourself "What's wrong with this picture?" Fire Barry and bring in Jim Leonard to straighten out this defense before it's too late and the season is lost.

This Is not a player issue. This is an Xs and Os problem. Routinely throughout the game the Packers D was put in situations that no other D coordinator would fall victim to.

We’ve all seen the countless times Aaron Rodgers quick snapped the ball because the defense was subbing in a matching personnel grouping. That’s because a staff member has one job on game day, that’s seeing the personnel grouping being subbed in, telling the coordinator and responding accordingly.

Joe Barry’s personnel groupings rarely matched what was on the field. Being in Nickel when a fullback, tight end and Allgeier are in the huddle is not only stupid it’s downright ignorant. On 4th and inches with a bunch formation having the safety five yards off as the fullback motions to the bunch side is first day of seventh grade kind of stuff. Other times the backers were aligned to the weak side of the formation with the safety 8 yards off the LOS. Of course the safety is going to have a hard time tackling. He’s trying to shed a fullback or lineman then dealing with a shifty back. The players aren’t to blame. It doesn’t matter if you have the best defense in the NFL or in this case 8 first round picks, if the coach has you out of position you will not succeed. ATL played the hand they were dealt. The packers had five DBs on the field almost 75% of the game. This is borderline insanity when you genuinely consider Ridder had a very so so game and he wasn’t going to beat this team with his arm. That’s what the defense should have made happen. Make Desmond Ridder beat them with his arm.

With Jordan Love and the offense, they had so much success when they were using PAP despite how ineffective the running game was. When they started getting away from play action and three step drops the offense imploded. The forth quarter was almost entirely straight drop backs of 5 and 7 step drops. Thus the play fakes never kept the backers honest and let the d line t off on the back up offensive linemen.

In both instances each play caller got out of what they did best and what was effective early on (first quarter for defense, second and third quarters for the offense). Disappointing because I’ve seen articles come out about green bays defensive line and it’s lack of ability in stopping the run. Stupid! Green Bay runs a gap control defensive line. It’s not their job to stop the run it’s their job to keep the o linemen from getting to the second level. Having a safety doing a backers job will result in 6-7 yards a carry all day on an nfl field.

How about some blame for his staff?