Is the friendship of Aaron Rodgers and Tom Clements hurting the Packers?

A lot of different answers has been given to why the Packers offense faltered this season.  How about the friendship of Tom Clements and Aaron Rodgers?

The Packers have seen a lot of change since 2008, they've gone from a 4-3 to 3-4 defense, lost and found a running game, had plenty of great players come and go but the one constant has been the play of Aaron Rodgers.  Rodgers displays the interesting blend of precision when following the play and fluidness when the play breaks down and the Packers have ridden Aaron Rodgers talents all the way to a Super Bowl in 2010 and a playoff berth every year since he became the starter.  In 2015 Rodgers was anything but precise or fluid; while other will point to a decimated offensive line, receivers failing to get open or a streaky running game, in my opinion the Packers offensive decline is predominantly due to a loss of clarity for Rodgers. 

Now what do I mean by a loss of clarity?  Rodgers has always been a quarterback that straddles the thin line of following the play call and “making stuff happen” when the play call fails.  Usually this means he knows what to do when the play goes like planned and he also knows what to do when the play breaks down.  This year however it seemed like Rodgers didn’t know when to follow the script and when to improvise.  At times he was obviously seeing the defense differently than his receivers and other times he broke the pocket for no apparent reason.

While some of that can be attributed to other factors, Rodgers in his 8 years as a starter has been able to overcome them all.  Arguably the 2009 Packers offensive line was worse due to injuries that lead to Allen Barbre being a starter a right tackle.  Receivers failing to get open seems like a hollow argument since Rodgers has always been touted by his ability to “throw a receiver open” and has made receivers like Jarrett Boykin into a playmaker in 2013.  Rodgers being unable to fall back on a running game this year reminds me a lot of the 2012 season where Alex Green was the starting tailback and only managed 464 yards and the Packers dug up Cedric Benson for 5 games. 

No, Rodgers has arguably had it a lot worse in previous years and never has he seemed so lost and unsure of himself as he was in 2015.  Has Rodgers lost confidence in his ability?  I highly doubt it, Rodgers is borderline obnoxious in his cockiness and played good enough in the playoff games, which should allay his fears that his skills are declining.  Was he hurt?  Possibly, but Rodgers has played well even when visibly injured, such as coming back for the season ender against the Bears to get into the playoffs with a recovering collbar bone or when Rodgers could barely move in the playoffs due to a leg injury. 

My theory is that the main culprit for Rodgers’ decline is his friendship with Tom Clements.  While Tom Clements is a fine quarterbacks coach and might be even a decent play caller, I think the biggest problem is likely that Clements and Rodgers let their friendship get in the way of fixing Rodgers’ issue of clarity.  In short Clements might simply be too close to Rodgers to effectively chew him out for his mistakes and force him to clearly define what he’s doing on the field. 

In contrast, the relationship of McCarthy and Rodgers seems more like a close business relationship rather than a true friendship; while Rodgers and McCarthy both recognize each other’s brilliance and know that working together will produce the best results, I don’t get the feeling that they hang out and kick back beers on off days.  With Clements however, you do get the feeling that Rodgers genuinely sees him as a friend.  I don’t ever recall Rodgers ever calling McCarthy his friend but Rodgers has on several occasions called Clements his close friend.  To be honest I don’t think it really matters if McCarthy and Rodgers aren’t friends since they work well enough together either way, but being close friends with Clements may be more detrimental.

Think of it this way: if someone who works for you screws something up, you would tell them.  As their superior, it is expected that you bring it up and work with them to correct the issue.  On the other side of the table, it’s expected that your boss chews you out when you screw up.  However if your friend screws up, you might be a little less harsh or even choose to ignore the problem since you value your friendship more than fixing the mistake.  Clements likely faced the same problem; with Rodgers slowly declining in his decision-making ability as the season progressed, Clements probably didn’t come down as hard as he should have to rein Rodgers back in.  I also felt that Clements let Rodger define his own clarity on the field instead of giving him clarity with his play calling.    

McCarthy on the other hand doesn’t have to care about Rodgers’ friendship and called plays that maximized the team’s production; after McCarthy retook play calling duties from Clements the team became a lot more balanced and the running game stabilized.  McCarthy forced Rodgers to follow the script and even when the play broke down it looked like Rodgers knew what he was supposed to be doing. 

The funny thing is this story has played out before in Green Bay.  When Brett Farve first joined the Green Bay Packers, he was a gifted but undisciplined quarterback who had thrown 4 passes, completed 0 and been picked off twice.  But with Mike Holmgren reining him in, Favre had some of his greatest and most efficient seasons in the NFL.  When Holmgren left to be the head coach/GM of the Seattle Seahawks, Favre used his reputation and previous success to get more freedom from Mike Sherman, who basically let him do what he wanted.  As a result Favre ended up being the “gunslinger” that he’s remembered for. 

During those years, Favre had plenty of incredibly stupid plays sprinkled in with some spectacular plays that he had no business making.  During 2015, Rodgers had plenty of incredibly stupid plays (like getting intercepted in the endzone multiple occasions, a rarity for Rodgers) sprinkled in with some spectacular plays that he had no business making (like the Hail Mary at Detroit or against the Cardinals).  It’s interesting to wonder what Farve would have been like if Holmgren had stayed in Green Bay; it might have looked like Rodgers next year as McCarthy keeps him reined in.     

 

 

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Denver's picture

January 22, 2016 at 12:33 pm

Interesting take...something was definitely out of whack with #12.
Man, just seeing the name Allen Barbre still gives me the shakes. If you had also mentioned Breno I might have needed medical attention. Hard to believe both ended up having so-so careers.

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 22, 2016 at 12:42 pm

Allen Barbre and Breno are still starters in the NFL... There are lots of guys worse than those 2. But I agree, gave me chills as well just thinking about those 2...

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 01:24 pm

Still, Barbre and Breno are still not good players, even if they are still starters in the league.

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TarynsEyes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 12:37 pm

It's a fine line to maintain/separate work and non-work friendship. I don't know if Rodgers and Clements have an off field friendship that can create an issue but it would seem more likely that Clements perhaps saw Rodgers as a nice coat tail to grab onto as an aid in his hoped for rise in the coaching ranks. While Rodgers may at times appear quite humble, he may like having a yes man on a string to help the at times in the witnessed battles with McCarthy.

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 01:26 pm

Possible, but keep in mind Clements has already been an offensive coordinator/play caller in Buffalo and that didn't turn out all that well for him. With the way the Packers coaching staff was setup this year, who knows who did what and who was responsible for anything.

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jeremyjjbrown's picture

January 22, 2016 at 08:44 pm

If only they confused thier opponents as much as they confused us.

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jh9's picture

January 23, 2016 at 08:00 am

Ultimately, the HC is responsible for everything. It is Mike McCarthy’s job to oversee what is happening on the field and off the field with all his players and coaches. If it seems like a big job, Mike McCarthy gets a big paycheck--$6 million a year.

Thomas, I appreciate your take to explain the sub-par year Aaron Rodgers just had but I have a question to pose: What if it wasn’t so much the closeness of AR’s relationship with Clements that’s the problem as it is AR’s lack of respect of McCarthy that’s the problem?

If what you’re saying regarding the Rodgers-Clements relationship is true, IMO, that would really point to a much bigger problem. Why do I say that? Because I believe the HC’s relationship with his starting quarterback should overshadow any relationship between an assistant and the starting quarterback. If it doesn’t, you have a classic case of a dysfunctional situation.

Look at this way, who do you think Tom Brady ultimately responds to on the Patriots coaching staff Josh McDaniels or Bill Belichick? Who does Drew Brees respond to Pete Carmichael or Sean Payton? Who does Carson Palmer respond to Tom Moore or Bruce Arians?

In other words, if what you’re saying is true, Thomas, I would say that what we have is more of a failure on the part of Mike McCarthy for losing control of his quarterback than it is the relationship between Clements and Rodgers.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 23, 2016 at 02:33 pm

If your supposition were correct it would have shown up quite awhile ago. The offense has been outstanding every year but this. The common denominator in all this is Clements play calling not yor supposition that Rodgers lacks respect for McCarthy.

Seems you are so focused on what you perceive, that your not seeing the forest (big picture) from the trees.

The injury to Jordy had a profound impact on how teams were able to defend the Packers.

I don't place all the blame on Clements partially due to that factor, but it has to be far more Clements problem than McCarthy's. Remember also that he failed miserably calling plays on a previous opportunity. So that makes far more sense than your outlandish theory.

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jh9's picture

January 23, 2016 at 04:08 pm

Respect can erode over time.

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hobbes's picture

January 25, 2016 at 04:56 pm

I would say that the relationship between McCarthy and Rodgers is a good business relationship. For instance, I would not say my boss is my friend, but I certainly don't mind working for him or doing what he wants me to do. I respect his ability to do his job and he respects my ability to do mine.

With Clements and Rodgers I get the feeling that it's way more than just a working relationship, I don't have any problem with that as long as it doesn't impede your work. I have no idea what the dynamics are between other head coaches, QB coaches and star QBs are but I would guess each is different. For instance, a QB playing with a defensive minded coach might rely more on his offensive coordinator or QB coach.

I think the biggest mistake by McCarthy was assuming that the offense could take care of itself without his involvement (so that he could spend more time with the defense and special teams).

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Packer_Pete's picture

January 22, 2016 at 12:43 pm

"In short Clements might simply be too close to Rodgers to effectively chew him out for his mistakes and force him to clearly define what he’s doing on the field." - I would agree with your theory if Clements was still the QB coach. But he isn't. It seems a bit muddled as to who is doing what with all the managers and very few workers on the current Packers coaching staff, yet at the same time I don't think it is Clement's current task to chew him out for his mistakes. That would be Van Pelt, I assume. No, I think the fact that Clements is not his QB coach anymore and that Van Pelt is may have a lot to do with his decline this season.
As Corey and Aaron also showed wonderfully on Packers Transplants was that his fundamentals are not really that good. he gets by with athleticism and just pure throwing capability, but his technique and fundamentals are lacking. He could be so much better than he is! And I think that is Van Pelt's job to improve, but he doesn't. so I am quite frankly not sure why Van pelt is still on as coach. but then again, I don't think the average fan like me knows what impact certain position coaches have, and who is responsible for what at the moment on this coaching staff...

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 01:29 pm

At this point, I have no idea who is realistically the the "QB coach". By title alone you are correct that Van Pelt is the QB coach, but I get the feeling that Edgar Bennett as the offensive coordinator is more in charge of the offense outside of quarterbacks while Clements as Associate Head Coach/offense is just a fancy title for "offensive play caller". Again this is a guess but I get the feeling from Rodgers that Clements was above Van Pelt in terms of seniority with McCarthy above both of them but in reality was off working with other units to deal with the quarterbacks directly.

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croatpackfan's picture

January 22, 2016 at 02:27 pm

Nice article Thomas. And I think if you did not score the hit, it is soo close to it! I think that all offensive strugles was coming from responsibilities which are not clearly divided among coaches. I think that Tom Clements job was something that caused a lot of misunderstandings and confusion on offensive side of the team.

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4thand1's picture

January 23, 2016 at 06:31 am

To many chiefs. Who is Rodgers supposed to talk to on the sidelines? MM, TC, EB, Vanpelt, recievers coach? When players aren't on the same page, it all comes down to practice. oh oh, there's that word again.

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hobbes's picture

January 25, 2016 at 04:58 pm

Completely possible. I'm guessing McCarthy originally imagined that Clements was the "Rodgers coach" and Clements would work exclusively with Clements while Van Pelt worked with the other QBs.

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NashvilleCheesehead's picture

January 23, 2016 at 09:40 am

Herein lies the problem. A completely muddled structure has resulted in a muddled offense. Not just a personnel issue at this point, but an organizational one.

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zoellner25's picture

January 22, 2016 at 01:01 pm

Interesting angle. But, MM has already addressed this and said he wants Clements back and expects him back, so he obviously doesn't think it's an issue. Maybe all our coaches are too nice and friendly. Look no further than what happened to Gash and Fontenot.

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 01:31 pm

An interesting question is whether or not Clements wants to come back and if there will be any ill will against McCarthy from Rodgers if Clements leaves. Clements basically just got his coaching career torpedoed; based on his title the only promotion he can get is as a head coach and not many teams are going to want a guy who couldn't even get the most out of Aaron Rodgers and got demoted mid-season by the head coach.

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Horse's picture

January 22, 2016 at 02:15 pm

Not get the most out of Aaron Rodgers?

Clements was his QB coach throughout his career till taking over as OC in 2012. Including a league MVP, a Super Bowl win and a Super Bowl MVP.

Since then the Packers rank 3rd in the league in scoring (27.8 ppg), 5th in total offense (381.9 ypg), 3rd in giveaways (54) and 5th in first downs (1,048). Clements was still OC in 2014 when the Packers led the NFL in scoring with 486 points (30.4 ppg).

The problem is not Tom Clements' friendship with AR. The problem is not Tom Clements at all. The problem is splitting Van Pelt between QBs and WRs and assigning Clements to play calling duties this past season.

MM's mad experiment should never see the light of day again.

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zoellner25's picture

January 22, 2016 at 02:38 pm

One little factoid I pulled by listening to the MM tv show on Packers.com. MM said he wants to go back to how he was involved in the offense way back, like 2007-2009, not just the way it was last year. don't know what that entails, but that's what he said. I think with his defense and ST improved, he can step back to the offense again.

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 03:37 pm

Credit goes from the top down; the boss gets all the credit and the guy bottom gets none. Clements had a chance to get more credit after being promoted to the play caller and failed. Mike McCarthy was hesitant to pull play calling duties away from Clements because he know what a blow to Clement's career it would be.

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Horse's picture

January 22, 2016 at 03:51 pm

What does that have to do with the Clements/AR relationship? It was pretty damn good considering he was AR's QB coach and then the OC while AR and that offense were rocking. This season he was neither AR's QB coach nor was he the OC, the QBs and WRs were both coached by Van Pelt and regressed. If anything, he and AR were pushed farther apart by the 2015 coaching experiment. It was a mistake. It can be undone.

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 05:36 pm

Basically when Clements was the QB coach, having a close friendship with Rodgers isn't a huge issue since McCarthy still has the final say. When Clements was promoted and McCarthy stepped away from the offense to work on defense and special teams, he had the final say on what Rodgers did on the field and when that wasn't working well he didn't try as hard to fix the issue due to his friendship with Rodgers.

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4thand1's picture

January 23, 2016 at 06:41 am

A lot of good points. One thing I know is, it's almost impossible to be a friend and a boss at the same time. In a win or else profession like the NFL, coaches come and go like the wind. Super stars are almost impossible to reign in when they don't play well. Favre was the perfect example of that. Look what happened when TT finally had enough of the gunslinging that cost the Packers 2 playoff games. The fanbase and media went nuts.

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 23, 2016 at 01:01 pm

Exact! If he's too close to Rodgers he cant be his boss as effectively and give him orders! can't

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 23, 2016 at 02:12 pm

Clements was given the opportunity to further his career, except he FAIL. His relationship w Rodgers should have nothing to do w his job performance. If it does thats his mistake.

Try making some sense.

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marpag1's picture

January 22, 2016 at 02:54 pm

Hey, wait... have we already moved past yesterday's supposedly self-evident, slam-dunk reality that Rodgers and McCarthy despised each other and were clearly at each other's throats? I thought that was the root of all evil in Packer land.

Geez, I can never quite keep up with all of the latest wild speculation....

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4thand1's picture

January 23, 2016 at 06:44 am

that's why we have blogs. good thing our opinions don't mean shit.

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Razer's picture

January 22, 2016 at 03:22 pm

Objection - conjecture your Honor.

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hobbes's picture

January 22, 2016 at 03:38 pm

Overruled.

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Razer's picture

January 22, 2016 at 05:09 pm

Ha, ha - good one.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 22, 2016 at 09:59 pm

Bro fist and hi-5!

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Dan Stodola's picture

January 22, 2016 at 04:55 pm

Great article Thomas. I'll elaborate later when I have time. But i totally agree w/ the premise.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 22, 2016 at 09:59 pm

We're looking forward to your expertise? Will it be lengthy but insightful? That would help me immensely. Can't wait!

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Thegreatreynoldo's picture

January 22, 2016 at 05:56 pm

All of our position coaches should be either Associate Head Coaches or Assistant Head Coaches. If MM refuses, at the least we need an Associate Head Coach/Strength and Conditioning position created ASAP.

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Dr.Rodgers's picture

January 22, 2016 at 09:56 pm

How about an Assistant to the Assistant-Associate Head Coach. Oh yeah, wasn't that Dwight Schrute?

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4thand1's picture

January 23, 2016 at 06:48 am

Every play player should have his own personal coach. Then all 53 could have a meeting with MM and then MM can report to TT, and then TT could report to mark Murphy (MM). Thats it!, to many M&M's. No wonder everyone is confused!

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hobbes's picture

January 25, 2016 at 05:00 pm

I will say one thing that McCarthy might have had in mind is by promoting coaches (or realistically just giving them fancier titles) he can retain his coaching staff from getting scooped by other teams. While McAdoo and Philbin are the only two that have been hired by other teams, you would think that Packers coaches (especially on offense) would be a hot commodity given how good the Packers offense has been in the last half decade.

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D Ernesto's picture

January 22, 2016 at 06:34 pm

Hey Cousins proved clearly if you have someone open a QB at this level can get the ball to them. This year AR had few people open, coach or no coach, it makes thing tougher. How hard is this?

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hobbes's picture

January 25, 2016 at 05:03 pm

Except Rodgers and all the great QBs are supposed to be able to "throw receivers open". That's essentially what Rodgers (and any other QB) is trying to do when they throw a back shoulder pass. Rodgers certainly was able to do it consistently with all sorts of different receivers in previous years but he wasn't as good this year.

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Jacob Anderson's picture

January 23, 2016 at 02:00 pm

No more fireballs. Please.

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