Cory's Corner: This Game Has A January Feel
The Packers are proving how much they miss the versatile Aaron Jones.
If the NFL was handing out degrees for winning ugly, the Packers earned a master’s degree on Sunday.
The Packers brought the 18-17 win out of the fire over the Saints. In the first half alone, the Packers had seven penalties — for the game, the Packers tallied seven false starts.
But there is also a bright side. The Packers were without so many offensive weapons yet again. We are three games into this season and we still haven’t seen Green Bay’s No. 1 wideout. No David Bakhtiari again and also no Elgton Jenkins in addition to no Aaron Jones.
The Packers are going to need all hands on deck against Detroit on Thursday. And not just because the offense looked like a sputtering tractor but because the Lions are really good. The Lions are only blitzing 15.3 percent of the time, but are fourth in the NFL with 30 quarterback pressures.
What we’re seeing is how important Jones is to this team. He was also a key member of this team last year but didn’t get the requisite number of touches. I want to say that Christian Watson has also been missed, but this team has so much receiving depth that we don’t know what we’re missing.
Jones is the fulcrum of this offense. Obviously, we all thought that AJ Dillon would offer more but even in short yardage situations, he hasn’t looked like the unstoppable force that he was last year. And because of that, the rumors about Jonathan Taylor becoming a Packer have gotten louder among Packers fans — even though it’s highly unlikely because the Packers aren’t going to give up premium draft assets for a running back.
The Lions and Packers are tied at 2-1, while the other two teams in the division are still searching for their first win. The Packers have a real shot to win the NFC North and it starts by getting back to beating the Lions. Detroit has won three straight, including sweeping the Packers last year — the last time that happened was 2018.
This is a game that Detroit needs because the Lions desperately want to put their stamp on this division. This team hasn’t claimed a division title since 1993.
On the other side, the Packers are still trying to figure out who they are. They are winning with backups and are trusting a young quarterback to bring this team back from the dead.
“If you look at the cameras, just watching him in the huddle, pre-snap or what, his poise is amazing,” said Packers wide receiver Romeo Doubs, who leads the team with 20 targets and three touchdown receptions. “And that’s one trait that I continue to emphasize on him because any other quarterback in that situation would lose his mind.”
The Lions will lose their mind if they come up short with key Packers offensive weapons unable to play.
Jones has missed the last two games and amazingly, he’s still tied for ninth in the NFL with 85 yards after the catch. If he can play, it’s not just the offense that’s different, it’s the entire team. Jones can beat teams in so many ways and will be the perfect antidote for a Lions defensive front that comes hard after quarterbacks.
It may be only September, but Thursday’s game is going to have a January feel.
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Cory Jennerjohn is a graduate from UW-Oshkosh and has been in sports media for over 15 years. He was a co-host on "Clubhouse Live" and has also done various radio and TV work as well. He has written for newspapers, magazines and websites. He currently is a columnist for CHTV and also does various podcasts. He recently earned his Masters degree from the University of Iowa. He can be found on Twitter: @Coryjennerjohn
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Comments (153)
NickPerry
September 26, 2023 at 06:27 am
Jones is the thing that makes this offense GO. When he's in the game this offense is night and day different. My guess is they held Jones out Sunday, with a eye on Thursday against the Lions. They'll NEED Jones for hopefully 4 quarters because that running back duo many of us thought was the NFLs best, isn't really much of a duo at all. It's Jones and...
But what impresses me more than anything is what the Packers have done with one WR in his 2nd season and EVERYBODY else catching the ball at the WR and TE position is a rookie. Jordon Love is completing 50% of his passes and that's got to get better, and it will...WITH TIME!
At the start of the season we ALL knew and many of us posted this season would be a rocky one. Up and down, game to game, quarter to quarter, drive to drive...And it has. We all KNEW it, yet some are still acting so surprised a young team like this one makes tons of mistakes.
I don't know what will happen Thursday Night but I know this team will NEVER give up. They don't know any better. Most VETERAN teams would have folded up the tent and looked forward to the next game this past Sunday against the Saints. This group didn't!
How can you NOT get behind that??
GO PACK GO!!
ReaganRulz
September 26, 2023 at 06:55 am
Well said NP!! Many of us feel good about where we are after just 3 games. And we haven’t even played a game with ALL of our weapons. Hope we get AJones back for Thursday and beyond!!
The Lions knocked us out last year and will want to keep building off that momentum. Gibbs may be the key for them. The Packer’s have been challenged with those quicker pass receiving rb’s. And Gibbs is looking for his first big NFL performance after a stellar career at Alabama.
PeteK
September 26, 2023 at 09:29 am
We must stay in our lanes to stop Gibbs, and Laporta will test our LBs and Safeties.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 05:56 pm
Yup, and we should be using our TEs and RBs more.
murf7777
September 26, 2023 at 08:18 am
The other thing to consider about the 50% completion % against New Orleans is because the refs were allowing the DB’s to mug the receivers before the ball got there. Their DB’s were very physical prior to the point of catch. In addition, Love kept throwing 20+ yards downfield while trying to make a comeback. Lastly, the first half , due to many penalties on the OL, put Love into 2nd and 3rd and long.
The thing I like about Love, different from what we experienced with Rodgers is that he isn’t afraid to throw 50/50 jump balls to multiple receivers. Not afraid about what his stats might show. So far, he is putting the ball where it’s mostly only the Packer player to catch. There will be adversity where Love doesn’t look very good and more will jump off his band wagon. IMO he has shown he can handle the mental part of being an NFL QB. Think about it, their 3 best OL starters out all or part of the game, top 2 Offense weapons out of the lineup, playing with a bunch of rookie pass catchers, down 0-17 with 11 minutes to play and all he was, was calm, cool and collective while showing good decision making play after play. That was impressive to watch and dream about the Packers future with Love.
He might not become that Franchise QB, but as of right now I think his odds look better than average.
NickPerry
September 26, 2023 at 07:46 pm
"Think about it, their 3 best OL starters out all or part of the game, top 2 Offense weapons out of the lineup, playing with a bunch of rookie pass catchers, down 0-17 with 11 minutes to play and all he was, was calm, cool and collective while showing good decision making play after play."
I know murf, it's awesome isn't it!
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 09:48 am
NP,
I'm wondering what this team would look like with the proper mindset in every player on the field. Example: whatever was going on in JL10's mind when he made that 2 point throw to Toure, if he can have that same mental activity, focus, concentration, or whatever it was from his FIRST snap, I think many of his most glaring mistakes get fixed just that easily.
Now apply that concept to every player. I hope our coaching staff is using this angle ...
jannesbjornson
September 26, 2023 at 09:55 am
The Pack will need to show a running game, or Hutchinson will tee-up on Love. Now, they have started blitzing Campbell. If Jones is out, then A.Taylor must see more snaps for pass pro and deploy him in the the screen games. Best to hope for Bhak's return to the lineup, but Wallace did play Hutchinson well in the BIG. The key ingredient will be the return of Jaire and Valentine. The Defense will have to show some spine vs. the run and create the turnovers which means playing fast and aggressive. The WRs need to hold onto the ball. Bisaccia better have the Coverage Teams dialed in. The Punter has to deliver better results. Nobody wants a return of JK Scott.
TKWorldWide
September 26, 2023 at 10:52 am
69 is very capable of neutralizing 97.
Oppy
September 26, 2023 at 08:13 pm
"The Pack will need to show a running game, or Hutchinson will tee-up on Love. "
"This has never been a running team, Packer history is all about the passer. Dillon just doesn't have It. Let Love do his thing. I would open with five WRs and put pressure on the Lions to stop our scoring."
??
I don't necessarily disagree with either statement in and of itself, but I am slightly confused by the mixed messaging when you look at them side by side. It seems a drastic change of heart over the course of the 40 minutes between your posts.
Truth be told, If I had to pick one statement or the other, I side more with needing to show a running game. MLF's offense is predicated on the run, and as such, it should absolutely be a part of the game plan in every game regardless who the QB is or how talented they are (I understand our run game hasn't been very good without Jones, but that's not the point here.)
4thand10
September 26, 2023 at 01:46 pm
Amen NP.
GregC
September 26, 2023 at 07:05 am
It doesn't feel like January to me. It's just a good early season divisional matchup. I think more pressure is on the Lions because most people picked them to win the division, but on the other hand, the game is in Green Bay, so there's pressure on the Packers to hold serve. It already looks like these two teams will be competing for the divisional lead throughout the season. Life will go on for whichever team loses.
A.J. Dillon was not an "unstoppable force" last year. He had a disappointing season, averaging 4.1 yards per carry (the league average was 4.5). His YPC has declined each year: 5.3 as a rookie, then 4.3, then 4.1. So far this year, it's 2.7. I'm honestly beginning to wonder if they should just cut him. He doesn't look so hot even when the blocking is decent. It's like he doesn't have good balance.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 08:33 am
I was with you until you referred to him not looking so hot when the blocking is decent. I don’t recall that happening this year or much last year. Instead we’ve been messing around with who plays T and doing nothing to try bolster the interior run blocking capabilities. In fact we’ve benched our best run locking tackle for two others, one of whom is currently our best run blocker it is true. You get what you ask for. We are in that context.
No big back gets big yards without some blocking and definitely not against regular penetration. We all were wowed by Bijan against us. Watch some highlights versus Detroit and see how he fared. We have a choice. Change the OL. Our second best run blocker is Tom. Put him at C, try Rhyan at G (if you believe PFF that it’s Runyon not Myers that’s the biggest problem—I categorically do not). Yes there’s some risk but there’s no reward in just repeating futility.
Alternatively, trade Dillon, give Wilson a real chance to prove his burst can get him outside but pick up a back closer to Jones in type in case Jones is hurt or Wilson isn’t working either. Keep Taylor for the hurry up and protection. Goodson is in the Colts PS. Accept reality and either change it or play to it.
As a wrinkle, I’d consider using Dillon as a true FB, not Deguara. Sadly, we don’t do anything with Deguara that justifies his role given that he’s not a true lead blocker or threat to carry.
GregC
September 26, 2023 at 09:35 am
Yeah, I've been thinking it would be good to have Tyler Goodson with Aaron Jones being hurt. Unfortunately Goodson had had enough of being on the Packers practice squad and went elsewhere. That move may have backfired on him when Jones got injured. Now the Packers would need to put him on the 53-man roster to get him back. That doesn't seem likely.
Maybe I'm being too harsh on Dillon. There have certainly been a lot of plays where he's had no chance. I'm just not seeing him breaking many tackles when he gets more of a free run. I'm wondering if at this point he can really do anything that any ordinary RB can't do.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 10:03 am
CW,
all good ideas except there's no need to trade #28 now. Plus, did he trip over his shoelaces in week three? I didn't see it if so. He's breaking off some big gains, just not nearly consistently enough. And I'm still going to be assigning that to our coaches failure to address the O line until they do.
Myers at C is not the answer. Tom is currently out and unavailable to play any position but everyone knows C is his best position. JRJ might be part of our run blocking weakness, and the preseason was the time to get that sorted. Newman is the pleasant surprise. Nijman should be playing. I don't know if Mt Caleb is 100%.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 10:58 am
The main point I was trying to make is that we need to decide what we want to do and then take some tough choices to get it done. We either improve our run blocking significantly (to the point of changing personnel) or we need to change our approach at RB and personnel behind Jones. The status quo is just not viable. Tough choices time!
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:00 pm
Agreed. Another way of putting that is MLF is using #28 incorrectly. Giving more snaps to #31 and 27 is necessary. Wish we still had Goodson.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 10:53 am
"""No big back gets big yards without some blocking""
No back gets yards without blocking. There have been these rare freaks of nature like Csonka, and Earl, who are their own blockers, and some guys who can just dodge you, like Sayers or Sanders, but even they would rather have blocking.
I hope to see all our starters practice and play once this year. Just start one game with that group and a week of practice. I'd use Wilson and Taylor to try to replace Jones and I'd use Dillon like we've always used him. I might lean a little more heavily on some of the other players, too, to replace Jones's touches.
Doubs, for example, is clearly a guy that has to be well guarded . Musgrave and Reed have played well for rookies.
As regards your line selection, I'd suggest that the guy who has been a starter here since he arrived remain on the field at Center and Tom remain on the field at RT. That's two solid spots. I'm a little surprised they didn't switch Newman and Runyan but it looks like it's working. LT looks like Walker until Bakhtiari is available.
LambeauPlain
September 26, 2023 at 01:31 pm
Regarding Dillon, if he gets some blocking at his target, he is usually good for 5+ yards with his power. If he runs into a clogged hole, it's a yard.
You give Dillion blocking he will win the down. That "thunder" is very valuable to the team. With this current line, he has mostly been running into the clogged lane...and why they are #27 yards per attempt (3.4 yds/rush).
Alternatively, the current line has been more serviceable pass blocking...#16 in passing yds/attempt.
If Bakht can play, both pass and run blocking will improve. If Jonesy can go, the rushing attack gets better due to his "lighting" quickness to overcome clogged lanes and threaten with the pass...and make Dillon's "thunder" more potent. And if Watson can go, the pass game improves.
I think MLF will practice and plan with current line of Walker, Newman, Myers, JRJ, Tom and hope any one or all of the 3 starters return.
Ideally, I would love to see Bakhtiari, Tom, Myers, JRJ, Nijman on Thursday night. And I doubt I will.
4thand10
September 26, 2023 at 01:56 pm
Spot on LP.
jont
September 26, 2023 at 09:01 am
👍
Maybe for Detroit they might be thinking January, but for this young Packer team it's a division game and a game in which the guys have to address their inconsistency and get some guys healthy and onto the field and improve execution and ....
September games are important, of course, but it's how you play in December and January that really matters. Right now it looks like GB might be in the hunt until the end so the focus this week is on getting right and getting better.
And exposing the Lions.
T7Steve
September 26, 2023 at 07:06 am
As the O-line goes so goes AJ Dillon. Seems like everyone's giving them a pass by saying Dillon has lost a step and gets tackled too easy. They need to quit getting pushed around if we want a running game.
LLCHESTY
September 26, 2023 at 07:23 am
The IOL is certainly not doing him any favors. I'm not as down on him as some because for the most part he's running hard. Jones is a real instinctive back and can find creases Dillon can't. Dillon needs holes and for the most part isn't getting them. Wahle does a nice job showing in the 1st few plays the line not helping him out to a good start.
https://youtu.be/8sMMd31yMHw?si=GeDU4Xi347rIdb8G
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 10:13 am
I love his film analysis!
Racingdad
September 26, 2023 at 01:41 pm
If mlf would swallow his pride and hire whale he could help this team so much !!!
Starrbrite
September 26, 2023 at 04:03 pm
Dillon can’t find the hole(s).
LambeauPlain
September 26, 2023 at 07:33 pm
You cannot find what is not there.
WD
September 26, 2023 at 10:08 am
I could not agree more T7. Last night I watched the Eagles O- line opening up wide gaping holes for their RBs against the Bucs ( a good defense) They were averaging about 9 yards per carry. Often the RB would be five yards up the field before first contact was made. Our O-line used to be a strength. This season it only did well against the Bears . I am tired of AJ Dillon being the scapegoat for the poor play of the O-Line in the running game. In fairness, injuries have mounted up at an extraordinary rate. But that is no excuse as every team has injuries.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 10:18 am
I don't attribute this problem to poor play by anyone. I put this 100% on coaches failing to get our "best five" out there. They blew the opportunity to get this sorted in the preseason. I'm not sure if they can fix it mid-season but if they don't heads should roll ...
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
September 26, 2023 at 11:36 am
How are they supposed to get their best 5 out there when their 2 best linemen arent playing?
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:05 pm
Best five is drawn from who's available. There's no way Nijman isn't one of them. Myers has killed any possibility of a run game.
canadapacker
September 26, 2023 at 02:52 pm
There is a couple of things that are also affecting Oline play with respect to run blocking. Firstly is scheme and how players are selected - if players are selected and the line play is designed for zone blocking rather gap blocking. Secondly and along that same selection process under the last few AR years Oline was selected and trained for their pass protection and especially the center but all of them - to line up if the other team was slow in line changes and to not jump offsides with AR's cadence. Now we have a more mobile QB and perhaps we need to select and utilize a different type of Oline structure. But the bottom line - unless we get some sort of movement - even Henry couldnt run behind our Oline - and if I remember we shut him down when his Oline couldnt block us. We need more movement in the whole O philosophy even with our best Oline not playing. Put the guys out there who can do that.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 11:07 am
People see his flaws, but not his strengths. He's always available for games and practice. He's assignment sure. He doesn't turn it over. He can run, block, and catch. He's a very good complementary back. IMO, it's not a question of having lost a step.....it's his vision. He just doesn't seem to see these holes like Jones does.
Look....we've got Newman starting at LG, and probably Walker at LT. I'm not sure that pushing people around is an option right now. Survival. Keeping our QB alive. Those are options. Using the TE to help out Walker, using Myers to help out Newman, trusting Runyan and Tom to do their jobs....those are our options.
If we can ever line up Bakkhtiari, Jenkins, Myers, Runyan, and Tom, it'll be a happy day for me. IMO, that's a good line, if it can practice together.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 11:34 am
Then play Nijman. We know he can help in the run game. Use what you have to best achieve your key imperatives. Hell, play Caleb Jones as your 6th OL. If it’s broken it won’t fix itself: change things or stop whining it’s still broken LaFleur.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 06:43 pm
Yeah, that's a great idea. It's a wonder that none of the professional coaches who know 100x more than me have promoted it.
Here's the deal: Right now, the right side of our offensive line is doing OK. Myers, Runyan, Tom. It's having Walker and Newman instead of Bakhtiari and Jenkins on the left, but that's what we have and we're trying to make it work.
The next injury is going to put Nijman on the field. He'll replace Walker or Tom. If it's an interior line injury, he'll probably replace Tom so that Tom can move inside. Nijman is probably going to finish the season as one of our Top 5 snap guys on the offensive line.
The interior line we have is not broken...We are scoring enough points to stay in the game with what we have. Adding a Jones or a Watson is going to help us a lot more than shuffling the line. Hopefully, at some point, we get Bakhtiari and Jenkins on the field together. Yay. Until then, we've got Walker and Newman. I was afraid of this ever since before the draft, and here it is.
I would say, since it's a short week, the fewer changes you make before this game, the better. Maybe give Wilson more carries and let Dillon be what he always has been.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:45 pm
Your ever present faith in the status quo being the best solution is a recipe for never improving. I get it, if it’s working, but when it isn’t and consistently has not been then it’s Dean Lowry syndrome all over again.
Leatherhead
September 27, 2023 at 08:52 am
I realize I’m not smarter than the coaches. You, apparently, have convinced yourself that you are.
LeotisHarris
September 26, 2023 at 09:03 pm
.."He's assignment sure....He can block..."
I know it's only one play, LH, but watch this; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIy_rFk0Jtg
The entire show is great, but for the purpose of discussing 28, start at the about the15 minute mark for a less than stellar effort in pass pro.
greengold
September 26, 2023 at 07:10 am
“Run what you brung!” One of my favorite top fuel drag racing sayings.
Hopefully Matt LaFleur brings a more focused, highly tuned machine Thursday Night. We’re going to need our very best in all 3 phases of the game.
LFG GPG CTFB AGNFB
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 10:20 am
"We’re going to need our very best in all 3 phases of the game."
Indeed we are.
Remind me what AGNFB means?
dobber
September 26, 2023 at 10:32 am
All Gas, No ('effin') Brakes
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 10:45 am
Reminds me of my twin brother. He was addicted to brake fluid. He always told momma, don't worry momma, I can STOP anytime.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 07:42 am
Players regress. Players get hurt. Players don't heal.
This game doesn't feel like a Must win.
The packers still can make the play-offs under .500.
The Lions are hungry. And the packers want donations.
The packers are not ready for this game.
Jordan Love is not the savey QB you believe.
The only pressure these guys feel is growth.
And those are exactly the issues you don't see.
We already have the excuse it's a short week.
Love came off a big 4th qtr. win.
And we're just missing too many gears.
But the obvious is the constant changes.
The Lions want to make a statement.
And what better way to suck all the wind
out of Love, Lambeau, the fans, and hype.
Rodgers is gone. There is No fear in them.
The Bears wanted it. The Lions get it.
And thats the January feel.
porupack
September 26, 2023 at 07:54 am
>>>>This game doesn't feel like a Must win<<<<
Dude, EVERY game better be a MUST win. Coaches better instill that if players don't already instinctively get that already. And if its your conference rival, well, maybe not a January thing, but it is MUST win. All the complaining about how the team doesn't have urgency and gets off to slow starts, and you're pining for a status quo game.
I don't get your comments: short week excuses? Donations? Lions are hungry? Lions want to make a statement, and so they're about sucking wind? No fear? Dude, both teams have the same objective, to beat their rival. That is the pressure. Win the next game. Not "hey teamates, let's all grow this year.....are you feeling it?" You got anyone that can review your posts before you post them? They are steadily getting worse over the years. I used to like your posts couple of 5 years ago. Come back to the club.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 08:20 am
The black and Blue is gone.
It's blue Kool- Aid. And you better drink it.
If you don't recognize a hungry team.
You don't know football.
In the last 5 yrs.
We've had too many changes.
To sum it up. Since 2010!
Regardless of the coaching change.
And Rodgers leaving.
13 yrs. of not getting to the super-Bowl
Only means that management is wrong!
Maybe a little less time invested in the infrastructure.
And more time devoted to the Team, was in order.
What really matters most?
Making money or winning?
See the question marks-
murf7777
September 26, 2023 at 08:27 am
So, there are 32 teams, in the last 15 years how many have won a SB? I’d say Mgmt is waaay better than the average.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:07 am
That was Rodgers.
They gave him Love.
Not the love he needed!
Disloyalty undid greatness.
No money can compensate.
For a love unrequited.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 10:34 am
I really don't agree CW.
I think the 2010 team
was so great.
That The Defense failed, and lacked
the depth to carry them.
TT never got the DL or safeties right.
Personal problems and the raid on the
staff only led to the status Que.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 10:40 am
Murf I used going. Not won.
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 10:12 am
Stock photo:
Negatives are developed in that dark room of your mind.
Freeze Frame,
PB and J
porupack
September 26, 2023 at 05:19 pm
Thats fine, Pantz. Also some acid wash makes some images less dull.
dobber
September 26, 2023 at 10:13 am
"In the last 5 yrs.
We've had too many changes.
To sum it up. Since 2010!"
To sum it up-- MATH IS HARD!
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 10:38 am
New math works well.
barutanseijin
September 26, 2023 at 03:46 pm
English is hard too.
porupack
September 26, 2023 at 06:15 pm
Like I said, get someone to review your posts before you send. I'll sub for now.
Black and blue division is a nostalgia creation. It says nothing.
Regarding hungry team, I do agree somewhat about a gritty team with ultra expectations and winning attitude. Seems the packers, like many underdog teams have an attitude more than what GB had in the last years of Rodgers when the packers were the presumed Super bowl favs. Now the team consists of a bunch of young players with all to prove. Seems like hungry to me.
Re: too many changes: welll such is life. Change is the constant. Stagnation is the other option. Successful people read and ride the wave of change before others notice change is happening. Let's cry about it as change can be sad and uncomfortable.
Re: infrastructure. Seems Gute is very dedicated to improving the team, turning over as many stones as possible. What exactly are you wishing for? Tank so that GB can pick in the top 10 like the Lions have done for 3 decades? That the Lions are finally competitive is refreshing since we felt sorry for them for so long.
What matters most is being well managed, make money, keep liquidity, invest, and/or risk over-investing when Rodgers seemed still capable to make an SB run, and now, work at building pieces and units of strength. Management rolled the dice keeping pricey players and bringing in FAs, but it didn't pan out. It was a well placed bet. Now a partial rebuild. It isn't an either/or: winning or making money. A successful franchise does both.
I saw the question marks, and have more puzzlement than answers from your post.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 10:20 pm
Re: infrastructure.- Actually this was aimed at
Murphy more tha Gute. He fired MM. Hired Gute.
But let me help you!
Improving the team? Thats the Debate.
The Timing of the moves!
And There will always be a next step now.
He's got his way.
And the coaching carousel will soon begin.
And in the mean -time. He gets richer.$$$
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:00 am
The Lions already believe.
They own the division.
Belief is everything until it isn’t.
Rodgers no longer owned the Lions.
They made him look bad: he was.
They play hard. They can stop the run we don’t have.
Love they don’t know. Nor do we yet.
Except that he’s not clutch because you told us.
They think they know who we are before we do.
Goff got pummeled on Sunday by a bad rushing D.
Maybe we can show him what a better one can do.
If Barry’s got a clue.
I bet he thinks in randomly associated nuggets too.
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 09:09 am
it's a very sophisticated poetry if you read enough of them. sort of free jazz from the mind of a glue huffer.
Packers0808
September 26, 2023 at 11:30 am
He is just an ass looking to try and rattle his own monkey cage for shock value. He is an joke to everyone but himself!.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 04:29 pm
Point- Instead of thumbs up or down.
The goal is
Posts/ responses.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
September 26, 2023 at 11:38 am
I've never seen a fan hate his own team more than you do. All because they dared to move on from a 39 year old qb who was no longer worth the giant cap number.
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 04:41 pm
I've never seen fans cheap shot their
HOF players more. And call themselves fans.
But then Respect is a thing of the past.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:12 pm
Nobody's here talking about AR12 but you.
He's not part of the Green Bay Packers anymore. You might read that memo ...
pantz_bURp
September 27, 2023 at 09:24 am
Where is your respect for #10?
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 06:56 pm
Oh, there's plenty of people here who hate the Packers. They hate Murphy, The Usurper. They think Gutekunst is part of a clown show. They think LaFleur is totally over his head. They despise Joe Barry. In their opinion, most of the players are no good and should be replaced.
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 07:33 pm
Well, hating Murphy is totally reasonable, he's a suit and a taint sniff, and he really is a usurper. Hating the team, the players, that's a non-starter in my book.
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 04:18 pm
Repeat after me please Stock:
Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...Rodgers is gone...
😁 (my turn for the eye-rolls) 😁
stockholder
September 26, 2023 at 04:53 pm
MM is gone... MM is Gone... MM is gone...
The point is why?
MM still coaches.
Same offense in Dallas.
Rodgers is still a QB.
Same offense with a slight adjustment in NY.
Bad leadership never shows up in the trophy room.
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 05:15 pm
J-E-T-S
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 06:57 pm
Didn't we win a Lombardi with McCarthy and Rodgers?
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 07:35 pm
and correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't gutekunst a part of that front office?
porupack
September 26, 2023 at 07:44 am
I was not ever really impressed with AJ Dillon, who even in first year seemed to get tripped up too quickly for a guy of his size. He is still very useful if coaches change how they utilize him. A change up back, catching out of backfield should still serve, but seems he may need to play a fullback role? But seems time for more touches for the next RB on the roster.
Packers0808
September 26, 2023 at 11:57 am
He reminds of a later Eddie Lacy at this point!
Cheesey51
September 26, 2023 at 07:50 am
Great article
Jonesy is missed as a player and leader
Hopefully the packers will win games while it make sense to let Jones heal and return
after the bye week.
Lots of ballgame left
P.S. on AJ how does a player with his ability change?
I do not notice if his technique, pad level ,coaching have changed him
If so unleash his right arm and let him cook(per Rocky 2)
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:17 pm
Looks like #33 will be back in Thursday. I'm surprised they could keep him out 2 weeks.
Packer_Fan
September 26, 2023 at 07:54 am
Yes it does. There is still a sting from last years loss in January.
The Packers are a very competitive team. They can win and Love may just have learned what it takes to win.
And I hope Barry has learned that you don't win by playing it safe. Like the Lion DC did against the Packers and Joseph intercepted Rodgers last pass. Reward comes from risk.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 07:55 am
The only thing that feels like January to me is the number of key Packers missing. Right now we are seeing a Packers team that is still trying to find its identity, unsurprisingly.
Love and young players are evolving each week, but each matchup throws up different challenges that they haven’t faced. We haven’t had a chance to have a settled O line, we haven’t managed to run the ball efficiently. We haven’t shown we can stop a serious running game either. Our DL has yet to really settled other than Gary returning to himself and Clark. We are still seeing how others can contribute best.
Aside from the run game, we’ve really seen very little of how this O may look later. Love has been seemingly operating within cautious play calling parameters, at least other than in the 4th quarter last week by necessity. The same probably goes for how we are using Doubs/Reed/Wicks and the TEs through injury and inexperience. We may have started to see more hurry up enter the O, or that could just be a situational flash. This is the essence of an O finding itself individually and collectively.
This team (even without injuries) will likely be very different in 3 months. More so than in other years. Injuries will happen of course too. No, this feels like a series of week ones to me. It may do for weeks to come.
GregC
September 26, 2023 at 08:15 am
I'm not sure what you mean by "cautious play calling parameters." Love is constantly slinging the ball far downfield to receivers who are usually not very open, if at all. Before the season started, I thought they would lean heavily on the short passing game, but it's been more of a downfield attack most of the time. I guess that's okay, but I can't help but wonder if they are neglecting some easy short passes, especially to Luke Musgrave.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:11 am
Love isn’t cautious, not all the play calls with him are, but I get the sense that LaFleur has largely kept him contained. He’s not fully off the leash yet. He’s not being asked to, or the O structured as if, he’s carrying it (rightly) and I think LaFleur has been trying to slow things for him as much as possible. We may have seen some glimpses of that loosened last game for the first time, including the up tempo plays not merely calls. That’s what I was getting at.
jannesbjornson
September 26, 2023 at 10:35 am
La Fleur has to let him play his game. The QB's not A ROOKIE. In a small sampling of offense so far, we see Reed as a dynamic guy. Doubs has improved his hands and Wicks shows natural ability. The TEs will develop. They need more 12 sets with Kraft. This has never been a running team, Packer history is all about the passer. Dillon just doesn't have It. Let Love do his thing. I would open with five WRs and put pressure on the Lions to stop our scoring. See if Watson shows up to put Detroit in two-deep looks;.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:24 pm
Greg, Love is 3 for 16 on pass attempts over 20 yards, and some 16 for 41 in attempts over 10.
In no way is that ok.
Make the layups first.
greengold
September 26, 2023 at 09:23 am
I agree with much of this, Coldworld. “Unsurprisingly,” is dead nuts on.
Just taking a “let’s see what they do,” approach to this first half of the season. I have to say, seems equal parts good and bad on Offense, Defense, STs and coaching. Gaffs galore. Take just one of those away from the ATL game, and we’re 3-0.
That said, too many of those gaffs stem from coaching. I expected a higher emphasis on preparedness and sound decision making. Seems everybody, players and coaches alike, need to up their game.
Granted, they’ve faced a lot of adversity, but all teams do. If they can cut their pre-snap procedural penalties in half, they’d win more games, more decisively. Not really nitpicking here because we all know that to be true.
Gotta have the preparation, discipline & toughness to dominate. I think in time, if all goes right, we’ll start seeing that from our 2023 Packers. Better OL, ILB & S depth will help this team, if Gutekunst can swing a deal or two before the trade deadline.
We are going to find out about our OL depth Thursday. Huge test.
LFG GPG CTFB AGNFB
RCPackerFan
September 26, 2023 at 07:58 am
If Jones plays the offense is different. He changes everything for the offense.
One thing that we haven't had the last couple of games is the RB having the ability to make something when there is nothing. Dillon just isn't that guy. He is a take what's given to him kind of guy. Sure he can gain some yards after contact. But he isn't one that is going to have no where to go and find a crease to gain 5 yards.
The other thing they have missed the last couple of games was the ability to have a big weapon out of the backfield. Someone who can turn a 2 yard catch into 80.
Getting Jones back will change the offense in a good way.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 08:08 am
We need to decide if our running game depends on the ability to run/contribute without blocking. If it does, then I’d be looking to add another player in that mold. Goodson is on the colts practice squad. We cant be one deep if Jones is that transformational (and thus far it looks like you are right). We aren’t going to find Jones level help, but we need to have someone who can at least do something unblocked to fall back on.
CheesedDeadHead
September 26, 2023 at 09:32 am
I think Jones will be critical for the passing game. I would even consider having AJ and AJD in the backfield, put AJ in motion and let AJD protect Love. That might create some very advantageous matchups. Especially as we might see Love running for his life most of the game.
jannesbjornson
September 26, 2023 at 10:45 am
Yes, his Fullback role.
crayzpackfan
September 26, 2023 at 09:52 am
CW - Totally agree on Goodson.
RCPackerFan
September 26, 2023 at 09:58 am
100% agree.
Honestly I would love it if they went and got Goodson because he adds that ability and he can be used in multiple ways. He is a jet sweep type of guy and can be a weapon out of the backfield. He is the type of guy that could make something out of nothing as well.
I think Taylor did an ok job. And Wilson is still learning. But Goodson would be the closest to Jones as far at abilities.
When Jones first got hurt my fear was we wouldn't have a guy that can do some of the things he can do. And they really don't. Goodson right now would be the closest they would have as that type of player.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:27 pm
Wilson and Goodson looked to good to risk losing, IMHO. We couldn't keep both. Where's Lew Nichols?
Give #31 Wilson more touches.
Since'61
September 26, 2023 at 08:09 am
Jones has been the key to the offense since MLF arrived. The ground attack begins with him and the passing attack begins with play action to him and even targets him to get the ball to him in space. He can score from anywhere on the field via the run or the pass. He is a total mismatch for LBs and with Watson in the game and probably double covered those mismatches for Jones will happen often.
We need our starters back and the sooner the better assuming their 100%. I don't know when/if we'll see Bak again. I'm hoping for Jenkins return after the bye week since he is not on IR. As for Jones and Watson hamstrings are tricky and could take a while. I would think since Watson went down before Week 1 we could see him sooner. As for Jones I would like to see him back this week but only if he is 100%. If not I don't think it's worth risking most of his season by bringing him back too soon and risking a re-injury.
I wish we had a full week before this game especially for Jones and let's not forget Alexander on defense. We need him back as well. GPG! Thanks, Since '61
GregC
September 26, 2023 at 09:57 am
I get the distinct impression that Jones is likely to return before Watson does. On TV on Sunday they showed Jones running around on the field before the game and looking completely fine. I haven't seen anything like that with Watson. Last week Watson practiced a little on Wednesday, and then they shut him down on Thursday. Not a good sign, although he did practice a little again on Friday.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:30 pm
They're trying to get #9 out there too.
GregC
September 26, 2023 at 08:47 pm
Yes, I just read that Watson said the plan is for him to play on Thursday night.
LeotisHarris
September 26, 2023 at 08:35 am
A more-than-usual collection of random thoughts in The Corner today. Perhaps a gas leak or lack of proper ADHD med dosing was involved.
Scroll on, friends. Like my grandma used to say, "if you can't say something nice about someone, sit next to me."
T7Steve
September 26, 2023 at 09:04 am
Thanks for my morning laugh! I can always count on you.
We're all serious and trying to solve all the Packers' problems, then you get me started down this path.
There is something besides football?
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:30 am
Random thoughts
Ideas at tangents
Build mental walls
Within which to cocoon
In untrammeled solace
From their embrace
Of secluded wisdom
Inured from distractions
Safe, perpetual knowing
Unchallenged certainty
Fortress of vanities
CheesedDeadHead
September 26, 2023 at 09:35 am
Nice try, but you are making way too many connections from sentence to sentence. The form is down, the non-sequiturs need to go up.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:44 am
“For though my rhyme be ragged,
Tattered and jagged,
Rudely rain-beaten,
Rusty and moth-eaten,
If ye take well therewith,
It hath in it some pith.”
John Skelton
lou
September 26, 2023 at 08:57 am
Unless they acquire Jonathon Taylor or an equivalent no matter what Jones cap # is they will need to make the necessary changes because he is their best offensive player and emotional leader. He runs inside or outside, has WR hands and sells out in pass protection even at his size.
The biggest surprise to date has been the young WR group, they all look like they belong. In the last several years only Jenning's came in looking as confident as they do. In that regard, Watson is going to need to "earn" his snaps going forward and the team/training staff needs to take a close look at his preparation or his nickname will be "street clothes".
In addition to the WR group, Musgrave physically looks like the second coming of Keith Jackson.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
September 26, 2023 at 07:52 pm
The thing about Watson is that he brings something the other guys do not. He doesnt even have to have the ball to terrify the defense. The threat of his speed will benefit the other guys immensely by opening up huge windows over the middle where this team wants to attack. Lafleur has done an excellent job scheming guys open but with Watson his job will be a lot easier.
Oppy
September 26, 2023 at 08:34 pm
"In the last several years only Jenning's came in looking as confident as they do."
Lou, I know what you mean, but I think an awful lot of these WR's come into Green Bay looking this confident, but I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of them had that confidence beat out of them due to, um, prior management on the field.
Secret hand signals that aren't taught by the coaching staff and aren't even really explained by the QB- but end up being used just as often as official play designs, finding that if you play the way your position coach teaches you to do it, you anger the QB and he won't throw to you- but if you do it the way the QB wants you to, your position coach gets mad at you and pummels you in the film room on tuesday.. and lord forbid you drop a pass or make a mistake, you might not see the ball come your way for another 3, 4 games..
I've said for the last 10 years- few QBs in the league got less out of young talent than the last guy did.. That's backed by both anecdotal evidence from players themselves and statistical analysis.. one of the biggest positives about Jordan Love is he runs the offense, he trusts the guys around him, and he uses all the personnel put out on the field. Addition by subtraction.
GPG
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 09:01 am
I'd be leery about changing around the offensive line just because of PFF ratings. Let's let these guys gel as a unit....they are protecting Love, and that's their #1 job. Jones will eventually return.
This does not feel like January to me. This feels like an early season game against a division opponent.
T7Steve
September 26, 2023 at 09:10 am
Doesn't matter what the records are, division games are always a tough matchup.
The PFF grades look like they are done on the side by social media fact checkers.
Since'61
September 26, 2023 at 09:51 am
There are too many flaws in the PPF grading system. This is supported by the inconsistency of the grades they produce. Their formula creates results which appear to be totally arbitrary rather than formula driven.
Thanks, Since '61
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 12:37 pm
Back in the old days, we used to watch games, and study film, in order to know who's doing it and who isn't.
It's like all this anti-Josh Myers stuff.....When you watch him, he's getting his job done on most plays. Obviously, if you snap it 65 times the guy across from you is going to win sometimes, but Myers does a really good job of keeping guys out of the play.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 03:47 pm
Myers is to this OL what Lowry was to the DL. The piece that holds us back from getting better. You are using the same argument for Myers as Lowry continues to refute with the Vikings. Myers needs to be replaced (or Runyon if you believe PFF, which I don’t).
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:37 pm
With Zach Tom hurt, who do you replace Myers with? This should have been sorted in preseason. When Tom returns, do you insert him at C right away? Consistent practice with him there would have helped. And then test if anybody's better at RG, or if that's fixed by replacing C.
Now? Just returning to our starters would be nice. It will be interesting to see who starts at RT.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 09:58 pm
Tom looks like he’s playing. If he’s not then this is not the week to do it, but it doesn’t change the imperative. When is a tactical decision, for which the optimal time has already passed as I see it. We need to improve the run blocking. It’s not just Dillon and the rest, it’s likely a key factor in keeping Jones healthy for the long haul too.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 07:07 pm
I know you have no appreciation for a guy who shows up and does his job. You've made that clear. I actually do appreciate guys who are always available and who play hard, even if they have limitations. Like Dillon, for example. Or AJ Hawk. Or Ed West.
I think Runyan and Myers are good players for us and wouldn't replace either of them. I would have tried to add a premium guy in the draft, but that didn't happen. We are what we are. So far, miraculously, we've held our own without Bakhtiari and Jenkins. You want to replace the guys who are healthy enough to play in favor of.......??
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 10:01 pm
An OL who can’t run block on a team that desperately needs a run game is not getting his job done. That’s the problem. If he were, I wouldn’t care. He didn’t get it done last year either, but It is seemingly worse this year. What can’t you grasp about our failing to run block? It’s real.
Since'61
September 26, 2023 at 07:14 pm
LH I still watch the games and record them so that I can study "the tape" as opposed to film. I specifically spend one rewatch totally focused the OL and DL play. This is why I have no use for the PFF grades. Thanks, Since '61
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 10:04 pm
PFF grades have some interest, but over the last season or so I find them increasingly dubious in terms of what they assign to whom. They’ve definitely lost credibility for me. I still watch games back too.
Since'61
September 27, 2023 at 11:10 am
Coldworld - Several years ago I reviewed PFFs grading system. I don't know if they have changed it over the years but back then their approach had flaws in it. I also had hired two brilliant research guys for my consulting firm and they were excellent at breaking down information and figuring out how the final results were arrived at.
They are also big Fantasy Football guys so they were on top of all of league's analytics, stats, etc. They always said that PFF was a ripoff and that no one should subscribe to their service or trust their scores for players. Even though I'm retired since 2020 they're still at the firm and they still feel the same way. The good thing is that I can still get their help with small research projects when I need something done.
In any case I agree with you that PFF is dubious to say the least in how they reach their results.
Thanks, Since '61
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 09:15 am
it's one and done for much of this contingent, let's just call them the overreaction corner.
it's game four of a 17 game season. everyone should settle down.
if the fan base were a defense, i'd call it "read and overreact"
Since'61
September 26, 2023 at 09:48 am
Good point Bitternotsour. However it is a 17 game season now. Thanks, Since '61
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 01:00 pm
noted, and edited accordingly. 16 made it so much more symmetrical.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 09:51 am
Exactly, Bitternotsour. After this game, we have another stretch of four games....two on the road against the AFC, two at home,including a division game against the Vikings.
By then, the team should be in what is commonly known as mid-season form. We should wait at least until then before we start over reacting. There's a very good chance that we could be 6-2.
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 01:54 pm
and even if we're not 6-2, there's a great chance that we have an entertaining and growing team that will be fun to watch the rest of the way. Van Ness is a bolt of lightning, Quay Walker is a superstar in waiting, and the offense is studded with youthful excitement.
as an aside, i regularly appreciate your clear-eyed evaluation of the team and tactics. i know it's infuriating to many, but 5 is indeed less than 7.
going back a long long way, we all need to be cognizant that it's players for the most part, not plays. you want to obsess over tactics, the premier league is where you should be spending your analytical time.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 02:27 pm
If Love is averaging over 12 yards/completion, and he's completing half his throws, then two throws =12+ yards. If he hands it off twice, it's probably less than that. It really isn't that that complicated.
Just like punts, punt returns, and kick returns. How many games do you have to lose before you rethink what's not working.?
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 04:39 pm
i've never argued that football is cerebral.
how many games losing before you rethink? i am guessing it's somewhere in the range of infinity.
LLCHESTY
September 26, 2023 at 07:44 pm
That 5 is less than 7 didn't work too well for the Packers against the Falcons. It worked just fine for the Lions though. They stuffed the run and Ridder proved he couldn't carry them, just like most of us thought before the Packers played them.
Football is situational. Playing Ridder is different than playing Mahomes.
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 09:08 pm
I’m trying to ignore you, but this was too stupid to ignore..🤮🤓🤪
Atlanta RBs: 35 rushes , 172 yards. That’s under 5.0.
Ridder. 32 attempts, 237 yards. Thats over 7.0
Atlanta made more yards when they threw it than when they ran it.
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 09:36 pm
maths are hard for some.
Since'61
September 26, 2023 at 09:55 am
We agree LH. This game does not have a January feel for me. It's not an elimination game or anything close to it.
It's important as a divisional game. However, regardless of which team wins/loses this game there are still 13 games remaining to determine the final divisional results. By the time January arrives both teams could look/feel completely different than they do at this point. Lots of game left after Thursday night. Go Pack Go!
Thanks, Since '61
Leatherhead
September 26, 2023 at 11:24 am
We play the Lions in Detroit on Thanksgiving. That's our last head-to-head with them. If we can win this game, it'll offset any Thanksgiving Day loss and we'll both have about a 6 game stretch to the end yet.
I don't think the Lions are very good, but the Bears and Vikings are both worse than they were last year so there's a little bit of a vacuum. I still think they have a weak defense. Not an average defense, a weak defense.
The division is there for the Packers to take, and a big, big first step would be beating Detroit on our home field. As you said, there are still 13 more games but it would make us the leader at the quarter mile.
Starrbrite
September 26, 2023 at 04:12 pm
Completely agree with ‘61 concerning the PFF ratings. They’re more like the pfffft ratings.
Since'61
September 26, 2023 at 07:16 pm
Cookie for you Starrbrite. Thanks, Since '61
Ryan3468
September 26, 2023 at 09:19 am
January? We have a decent record thus far. We are playing the to be top of the NFC North. Pressure is on the Lions. Green Bay is an under dog with an underdog schedule. It’s a learning and growing year. It would be nice to beat the Lions, but we aren’t at a must win situation. We need to keep competing and improving. The injuries are looking like January, but that’ll happen. It’s a violent game. And this Thursday night game could be a good one. I would like to see Love start faster. If we get in a hole with Detroit expect to get buried in it. It’s a much improved Lions team. I don’t see Green Bay winning this one, but that would be nice. Go Pack Go
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 10:04 am
Patience my dear child, Love takes time ...
Burpradamus
T7Steve
September 26, 2023 at 10:12 am
"I don’t see Green Bay winning this one, but that would be nice."
Could you see them beating the Saints after the Atlanta game?
That's why they play the games.
We need to start a new 25 home game win streak, so losing to the Lions is not going to work.
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 10:03 am
This will be Dillon and Jones against the Lions:
"Two paths diverged within the defense, and I...I took the one less congested by, and that has made all the difference".
Frost on the pumpkin,
Burp
Bitternotsour
September 26, 2023 at 01:02 pm
Frost on the pumpkin, I see what you did there...
dobber
September 26, 2023 at 10:23 am
I'm not going to downplay this game as just a September game. Lions fans and Campbell, too, are selling this as a "no more Same Ol' Lions" game...it's a statement game for them, and an opportunity to steal a road divisional game against what's shaping up to be their primary divisional competition. The Packers are coming off an emotional win v. the Saints after failing to come through against the Falcons. While it's just September, this game has springboard written all over it.
That said, the Lions more and more are profiling as the kind of physical team that the Packers don't match up well with. The Lions are beat up, too, with half their starting OL hobbled or out, and missing their grinder back, Montgomery. I firmly believe the Packers held out several of their regulars who could've played to keep them available for Detroit on the short week. Packers need to find a focus that was lacking for much of Sunday's game and try to outplay DET's intensity. 'Twill be interesting...
MainePackFan
September 26, 2023 at 10:28 am
Let's face the facts. This is not a good match up for the Packers. Since Dan Campbell took over, they are 3-1 against us. This Lions team is an extension of their coach. They pride themselves in being nasty and physical. They have no fear of the Packers, and haven't since 2021.
The Packers have been a finesse team for years. Their O-line is built for pass protection not road grading. This becomes a problem when AJ Dillon has to become the "lead back" for obvious reasons. This is part of why Dillon is struggling, and will continue to do so, especially against physical defenses. He needs Aaron Jones' lightning, because his thunder becomes ineffective when teams game plan for him alone.
I think this game is a big deal to the Packers. Not because of the standings this early in the year, but due to the fact that they have lost 3 in a row to this team. They need to show that they can punch this bully in the face, on the big stage, in front of their home crowd, or we may be hearing Dan Campbell scream "I still own you" !!! : )
dobber
September 26, 2023 at 10:31 am
Very succinctly stated, MPF!
MainePackFan
September 26, 2023 at 10:55 am
Thanks dobber. Funny thing is , I had it written, but had to save it. When I came back and read your message and it seemed like a fitting reply : )
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 11:07 am
If I were Barry, I’d throw everything at Goff from the first snap. Get Goff jumping better than Atlanta did and see how well they do. As far as offense goes, speed is our friend in this one. The Lions think is a gimme. Let’s be willing to take it to them.
MainePackFan
September 26, 2023 at 11:29 am
I do think it's on the defense to set the tone is this game. You're correct about speed being our friend on offense. Having Jones, Watson and a reasonably healthy line, would certainly help in allowing that speed to flourish.
Coldworld
September 26, 2023 at 11:40 am
It’s on every aspect of a team that can to set a tone surely? The Lions OL is beaten up and Goff got hit a lot by a not great set of rushers. That’s the time to go for the jugular if you want to win.
LambeauPlain
September 26, 2023 at 01:49 pm
Neutralize St. Brown and the Lions pass O will wither. Calling Alexander the Great! We need ya!
The Packers pass D is #10. It is the strength of the D. The run D is #26.
Looks familiar.
Lions pass O is #7, run O is #11. Expect them to pass out of the gate. Hopefully Barry can stop it using 5 on the line because if he abandons it early and goes protection and light DL, it will be a long day.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:47 pm
"Dillon has to become the "lead back" for obvious reasons."
Dillon is not a lead back. That's using him incorrectly. Not using him at all would be preferable to using him wrong.
Give #31 Wilson a meaningful number of touches, in plays that use his strengths. Don't try that on three plays in a row. And sprinkle in some #28 along with it, to keep Detroit guessing. If Wilson simply gets nowhere after enough chances, I guess MLF has to fall back on #27 and 28. Then kick himself for letting Goodson get away.
The_Baloney_Stops_Here
September 26, 2023 at 07:56 pm
Packers should have won all 3 of those games. The loss in 2021, Rodgers and Adams were out there screwing around trying to break records and then the starters were benched at halftime. Last year, Rodgers handed them both games on a silver platter with a combined 5 interceptions and losing both by a combined 10 points. Nobodys gonna convince me those 5 ints didnt cost them at least 10 points. Packers are about to beat the brakes off this team.
Oppy
September 26, 2023 at 08:42 pm
The Lions are 3-1 against the Packers with Rodgers under center and hardly running the offense as designed.
I don't know if that's a positive or a negative, but I do know that what has happened over the last 4 years doesn't really mean squat compared to what happens on Thursday.
I watched a Packers team with a potential playoff bid at stake basically flop around like a dying carp on the shore in last season's final game vs. the Lions. One thing I do know is that performance would not happen with the current QB and the current team around him, as evidenced by last week's game vs. the Saints.
I don't know who wins Thursday night, but I do know I like this team's chances a hell of a lot better than that of the team that took the field 8 months ago.
LeotisHarris
September 26, 2023 at 09:49 pm
"I don't know who wins Thursday night, but I do know I like this team's chances a hell of a lot better than that of the team that took the field 8 months ago."
You have my sword on this hill, Oppy.
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 10:28 am
Just a smidge concerned for Love this game...he will be staring at all those Lion eyes...
DONT'T BECOME JADED #10...you and the rest of the team got this! Pack wins by 4. Book it.
That was easy...mic drop,
dobber
September 26, 2023 at 10:31 am
You can't hide them Lion eyes....
Rory P Scrotem
September 26, 2023 at 10:36 am
I remember John Brockington well. He started off like he couldn't be stopped...then...all of a sudden, he fell off the shelf. Then Eddie Lacy came along...same thing. And now we have A.J. A.J. Dillon is a great compliment to Aaron Jones but, he's a completely different type of running back...great player...that is, when he is on & at his best! He is a protect the lead, grind it out...4th quarter when the opposing defense is tired, "punishing" running back. A.J. is not flash & dash squeaking through a small hole or going wide with the speed he doesn't have.
Jonathan Taylor would be perfect but, it ain't gonna happen...so...get over it. Gutey is not built that way.
However, look for 2 running backs to get drafted next year same as the tight ends (tight ends meaning plural).
Only difference will be...they will be drafted probably in the 3rd and/or 6th rounds.
Getting back to my comments on Brockington & Lacey...I truly hope the Mayor of Door County is not going that route! ;)
lou
September 26, 2023 at 12:18 pm
Brockington after breaking Ken Dyer's neck vs the Bengals on his tackling attempt never again ran as hard with his high knee action, I think it took a toll on him mentally and then they trade Mac Lane who was in effect a pulling guard for him. Dyer recovered but never played again but became a position coach.
Lacy ate his way out of the league just like John Jefferson who in the end tried to make the Brown's roster as a Tight End because of the extra pounds. Just loved how hard Lacy ran if even for a short period of time and his smiling personality.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:49 pm
Gutey needs to prioritize S and interior OL next draft. And we still won't be able to afford a star RB next year.
pantz_bURp
September 26, 2023 at 10:39 am
Interesting Cory: come January, I can't feel a thing. 😁✌️🤘
Okay, I used up my allotment of postings. You all will need to hold your football related questions or at the very least, practice self-restraint until I can get back to you all with my response(s).
Peace, and carry the G or at a minimum, an armful of firewood before you come into my palatial estate. James will take your coat and present for me.
In admiration,
Burp Van Ness
4thand10
September 26, 2023 at 01:44 pm
The run blocking has been piss poor…especially without Jenkins and Tom. They really need to activate a full back and run it out of the I formation with Dillon and then use play action off that. I would also stick Caleb Jones at guard…all 370 lbs of him and run the fullback and Dillon behind that….guaranteed no talk of a soft team playing Detroit if that happens.
A second thought…in order to stop the famous QB sneaks around the league, I’d line up a DL behind the nose as a middle LB and push 600 +lbs up the middle. Wouldn’t be long to see the end of the QB sneaks.
Just some spitballing thoughts.
SicSemperTyrannis
September 26, 2023 at 06:51 pm
Mt Caleb is nowhere near 370# anymore, but he and #99 Jonathan Ford (338#) should play sometime.
fireball
September 26, 2023 at 02:57 pm
Doesn't seem like January to me. But I sure would like to beat Detroit this coming Thursday night. We play Detroit twice in this conference, so I would at least like to take one game from them.
If you don't have Aaron Jones for maybe half the season. what do the Packers do for a running game? You ain't got one at this point.
So the Packers have to rely on a passing game. Assuming LaFleur recognizes this, he'll have to come up with more passing plays. Let's see what he figures out. . . or doesn't. And we still need a stout defense. And another thing, jesus, please, Matt, come up with some plays designed especially for whatever-the-hell it is that Dillon does well! You just can't keep running him straight at the opponents defensive line again and again. Man, Matt, you gotta get creative with Dillon.
According to most football analysts, Detroit is a better team than the Packers.
I keep getting this idea in my head that says Detroit will kick the shit out of the Packers. I don't know. I just don't know.
I mean I wish, I hope, I pray. . .