MMhas a lot more to worry about than many may think. I agree that any new GM is going to want his own coach. MM may get a year to make it happen if it's an in house GM candidate that's chosen, but an external one may just cut him loose. We should know more in the next few days.

"Moving Thompson out of the general manager’s chair is good for the organization. It tells the rest of the team that average isn’t tolerated and it’s not above making changes to continue a winning tradition."

I'd venture to sat Thompson was moved out of the GM position because of all the failed draft choices, the many picks of trying to fit a square peg in a round hole, AND his reluctance to use Free Agency as the tool it can be in assembling a SB team. Ted had a HUGE advantage with a guy named Rodgers. At the end of the day NFC North Championships don't mean squat, not really.

McCarthy deserves to be where he is right now and he IS on a hot seat. If the Packers name someone in house (Wolf, Gutekunst, Highsmith, or Ball) I'd imagine McCarthy will be given 2018. If somehow they were to bring in Schneider or McKenzie I'd imagine McCarthy would be gone. No matter what change is happening and I applaud Mark Murphy for it. I really wondered if he had it in him and he did.

THANK GOD Murphy at least could see the writing on the wall. One SB appearance when Rodgers was 27 and nothing since. Get it together McCarthy and quit drinking your own Kool-Aid. NFC North titles won't cut it anymore and neither will your attitudes at the podium. One and done in the playoffs won't cut it anymore either. The Time is NOW!!!

first of all...the “I’m a highly successful football coach.” speach, if I recalled it correctly, was from 2016, as the Pack and AR played really bad. just before the "think we can run the table" comment from AR.....
but the most important fact is........how high are the chances that the next GM beat Thompson’s 125-82-1 record in 13 seasons????

half a procent........if we are lucky!

I think we are all getting caught up in the excitement of change. I think there is a very good chance that this is planned succession not a coup led by a newly assertive Murphy.

One factor that will impact my view of new GM is the treatment of the back-up QB position over the off season. A good GM is there in part to counter couches emotional investment in players when shaping the roster. If. MM is really so bedazzled by Hundley, the next GM will need to either help him see sense or force him too by recruitment or cutting.

"In addition to Capers, defensive line coach Mike Trgovac and inside linebackers coach Scott McCurley have been given pink slips."

This puzzles me. The position coaches of the two most effective units get the axe, while the coaches for the screaming liabilities are retained.

I want to be upset and surprised by this, but I'm not.

I'm good with keeping MM as HC for another year. To much turn over at one time could be problematic. Removing TT and DC at the same time is enough for now. Like you have mentioned, AR probably doesn't want to start all over with a new HC / offense.

That being said, I'm glad MM is now on notice. He needs to step up like everyone else.

I find it disheartening that McC wasn't also shown the door. And the coaching changes... - ok DomC had to go. but then the 2 position coaches of the defensive units who performed the best are fired, whereas the other position coaches are kept - especially OLB and DB coaches... wow. The O totally fell apart after #12 was injured. No changes there.
Let's see what comes out of it, but I think if either Winston Moss or Whitt will be DC next season then the D will be even worse than the past few years...
And this team desperately need an OC who doesn't only rely on #12 escapinga collapsing pocket, improvising, and throwing while on the run and outside the pocket...

We can't ignore the reports that losing Dorsey, McKenzie, and Schneider during Thompson's tenure have cost the Packers' personnel Department, it might be some of what we've been seeing.
Furthermore, this "New GM" thing could possibly cost us some or all of the three young guys now listed as candidates to replace Thompson if other jobs become available.
Murphy needs to get this done, soon, and here's hoping he can find a way to make it work without losing too much.

Talk about a bomb going off in GB yesterday.

I thought it was the best move to get rid of Capers. His defenses have become way to predictable. His players clearly were not on the same page as him calling the plays and there was way to much confusion. Also I really question whether he knew how to use the players he had. Perfect examples of that is Hayward, Hyde and Peppers. All of which went to a different team and improved. While I don't know exactly how Hayward is being used compared to when he was with GB, I know that Hyde and Peppers both are playing different positions and both have improved.
Which then leaves the question are the players on the roster now being used the way they should be? I'd say probably not.

The news of Thompson stepping aside to take another role however was really surprising to me. I said not long ago I expected him to go through this draft and let the next guy take over. It looks like the Packers don't want that to happen now. They want bigger changes made. Which can either be a good thing or not.
Lets not forget what Thompson has done for the team. When he first became GM he was left with a team that had cap issues, and a roster that was in bad shape. He was also the GM that drafted Favre's successor with his first draft. He also drafted Nick Collins with his 2nd pick. His first 2 picks as a GM were Hall of Fame caliber players. Then he brought in Woodson with whom no one else really wanted. Woodson left GB a completely different player/person then when he came to GB. He also drafted great players to get them to the super bowl. When he first came to GB he was a man on a mission and changed the culture here. In his first 5 drafts he really hit on the players that made a huge difference in changing the team around.
2005 - Rodgers, Collins
2006 - Hawk, Jennings, Johnny Jolly
2007 - James Jones, Bishop, Crosby
2008 - Nelson, Finley, Sitton, Flynn
2009 - Raji, Mathews, Lang

The problem with Thompson was since the Super Bowl his drafts haven't hit on as many big time players.
2011 - Cobb
2012 - Perry, Daniels
2013 - Bakhtiari
2014 - Clinton-Dix, Adams, Linsley
2015 - Randall
2016 - Clark, Martinez
2017 - ?

2005-2009 he had 14 pro bowl level players he drafted.
2011-2017 he has 6-8 pro bowl level of players.

And the fact that he hasn't mixed in veteran players to counter the lack of drafting since the Super Bowl has left the team with fewer play makers.
Now I do believe he had a good 2014 draft, and I think he has found good players in each of the last 3 drafts. It simply wasn't enough.

Hopefully the New GM will get a key veteran player to come in and help make a difference and find at least 1 stud rookie. That will go a long ways in changing what is going to happen this next year in GB.

its going to be interesting to see what happens in the next few days up in GB.

I am continually amazed that people prefer attempting to put together a one shot season at the Super Bowl instead of multiple years of winning seasons and playoff appearances. TT & MM constructed long term success, keeping our beloved Packers consistent winners over the years.

Of course, some people would prefer to be Denver and have an Elwayian leader, one who blows the future for a quixotic shot at the brass ring. Denver got their one championship, at the cost of becoming totally irrelevant for years afterwards.

Is there any doubt among us that Elliot Wolf is going to be the new GM?

If an internal GM has the gonads to replace MM, That would be my choice. Please do NOT allow MM to have any input in selecting the next DC. Any coach stupid enough to keep Slocum for several years does not have a clue.

MM was lucky to have QBs that controlled the offense for all of his tenure. He did nothing to enhance STs or the defense. He is delusional and deserves to be replaced.

Well, people got the New Years wish many wanted. Remove Capers and TT. I think it is good. Coaches and GM's get stale. And the same is here. There will be alot of holes to fill in the off season. Good choices with Adams and Lindsey. I think they should go outside the organization to replace Capers. May be too many bad feelings and experiences with the coaches there.

"The last person that wants McCarthy to leave though is Rodgers. He doesn’t want a new coaching regime at 34."

That's pure speculation by the writer. For all we know Rodgers may be tired of seeing a 3 reciever set with everyone running isolation routes with recievers that cannot get separation on their own, which cause Rodgers to have to run around for 7-10 seconds until he can finally throw someone open.

Rodgers may actually want a new offensive scheme that actually uses formations and routes that cause recievers to get open instead of relying on an all world QB to make the offense look acceptable.

I think its easier to get a good GM verses a good HC. I see a lot of retread coaches out there that might make people smile now, but when the season is over they will wish they still had MM.

I don’t want to pee in the soup here but I don’t see all the big changes that most others see. The Packers just don’t roll that way. I think that Murphy will fill the GM job from the inside as will MM with the DC job. What will happen is Ron Zook-The Sequel; movement but no real change. Instead of getting Ted and Dom, we’ll be getting Ted-lite and Dom-lite.

Now, if Murphy goes outside or fires MM, all bets are off.

We don't know the details behind the firings other than someone had to take the fall for the:
defense going downhill
sticking with Hundley
letting too much talent walk and not bringing in enough FA's

TT and DC are retirement age. They were easy targets for a Murphy to shake things up on a team that clearly needed shaking. The sub coaches firings are a total mystery. How MM survived this house cleaning is a mystery. What does Murphy see in him that made him keep him while getting rid of so many other coaches?

Thank you TT but I'm not going overboard there. AR is probably the best, smartest qb in the league even if Brady has many more rings. Everyone was riding his coattails. TT only gets so much credit for the team record.

It's not about having a good record. That's for Cleveland. When you have AR, it's only about how many SB wins you have. It's about playing up to potential, not just playing well. For this reason (and Hundley, sorry - I can't get past that) I was for firing MM too.

I would be shocked if GM is not an internal pick that's already been decided. That's the only way MM is still here. But I would not be shocked if MM 'decides' to leave the next day. Not expecting it, but I would not be shocked.

Some of you have the franchise decision making abilities of whatever is going on in Cleveland. Yeah let’s just clean house “fire sale” “everything must go” of a successful HC what kind of message is being sent to the next HC? How much leeway does he get? I’m willing to bet if one is appointed and doesn’t succeed you’re all singing the same song next offseason. The ones that needed to go are gone MC deserves the chance to start over and adjust with a fresh defensive mind. Everyone keeps saying “we’ve had Rodgers and Favre we should have more titles” so I guess we forgot about BF terrible 05 (4-12) and 06 (8-8) seasons? The type of decisions some of you want made is the stuff losing franchises do.R-E-L-A-X

"When Thompson was given the general manager reins from Mike Sherman in 2005, Thompson also stripped Sherman of his head coaching duties."

As I recall, Sherman coached one year (2005) under TT. He went 4-12 that season and was fired afterward.

I think Murphy already has his GM and is just working out contract terms. I sure hope the DC comes from outside though. That side really needs a stiff jolt. Won't know until new GM is up and rolling though.

There are far too many variables here for us to really know what's going on, and why.

I've seen a number of reports already suggesting that TT was "unceremoniously shown the door." Uh, first of all, he WASN'T "shown the door" - he's still with the team. And secondly, I think it's entirely possibly that TT is fully on board with this. Lots of folks seem to think, "Oh, there is NO WAY that Ted would voluntarily take a demotion." I say, Bull crap. I don't claim to know TT's mind, but it's ENTIRELY possible IMO that Ted could be saying, "Look, I'm getting older, and I don't want to have this stress forever, and hey, I'm an old scout at heart anyway. So get some other guy to wear the suit and sit in the office, and just send me out to California and let me scout the PAC-12. Cuz y'all know perfectly well that scouting the PAC-12 is what I love to do anyway."

Even with the coaches... we don't know what's going on. Let's say that Packers already know that they want Whitt. (And let's face it, NO ONE EVER fires their current coach or coordinator without first asking, "But who do we want as a replacement?") But let's just say that they want Whitt. If Trgovac ruffled Whitt's feathers prior to today, then we could easily see why some of those guys could get fired. Or hey.. maybe they're just not very good coaches.

What I DON'T really see here is that "Mike McCarthy is now on notice." If they have serious doubts about McCarthy, they would have fired him, for crap sakes. For MM, this isn't anything more than being reminded that this is the NFL, and guys occasionally get fired. I think MM already knew that.

I think it is pretty much a mortal lock that the new GM is already in house, and MAYBE the next DC too. If Murphy and the committee were thinking about outside options, they probably would have let the new GM worry about which coaches should be fired or retained. But the fact is - at least I think the fact is - that they already know perfectly well who the next GM is, and they already know perfectly well that the next GM/defensive coordinator doesn't want Capers, Trgovac and the others.

My take is that these moves have been planned for a while. Moving TT within the organization makes sense as it allows the Packers to keep his scouting talent within the organization. He can be a good resource for this organization for future drafts.
As for Capers this move was long overdue and the game has passed him by. This was evidenced by the consistently poor communications and confusion on the field.

Murphy knows that MM is the Packers best chance for maintaining continuity and returning the team to at least the playoffs for 2018. The team never quit on MM until the last game of the season and much of that was due to second and third string Packers playing against first string Lions.
Murphy also knows that 6 or 7 other teams are looking for HCs and MM would have a new job before he got out of the building at 1265 Lombardi Avenue.

I believe that one of the internal candidates will get the GM job with the understanding that MM gets 2018 and a full season with AR healthy for 16 games. This will probably result in a 2 year extension for MM with his understanding that he needs to return the Packers to the playoffs at least assuming AR makes it through the regular season.
As for the new DC the Packers need to go out side the organization IMO. They have made the correct moves so far. Now is not the time to Fxxx it up with a Capers holdover. Bring in an outsider and he can decide whether to keep the current Capers staff survivors.

We have had only 2 losing seasons during the TT administration 2008 (ARs 1st season as a starter) and 2017 (ARs injury) so I am appreciative and grateful for that but when I think about what could/should have been there will always be that feeling that TT never went all the way to get this team to another SB.

Time to aggressively move forward and embrace the future with whoever the new GM is. This off season will be an interesting ride if nothing else. Go Pack Go! Thanks, Since '61

McGinn is reporting that the TT change was board driven, and that the new GM could hire a new coach. The evidence is all in on MM's system without Rodgers. Multiple years worth of data. It would be worse without a historic collapse by cowboys at home, and detroit not showing up for the last game at Lambeau one year.

Agree with many of the commentors who see this as a move that was in the works for a while. I think the Packers were in jeopardy of losing the heir apparent and were forced to make the call. Ted will probably help with the draft and retire quietly. Gutenkunst pulling out of the SF search is telling.

The new GM will be totally in on finding a new DC. I doubt they leave that to MM to bumble around with. As for MM and his contract extension, I can see that happening this year. The Packers are loaded with cash and can afford to go there. The new GM may not chose to give him much rope if the team doesn't return to top form in a hurry. The tick tock is getting loud as evidenced by the start of 2018.

I'm not defending McGinn, in fact I haven't really read him that much, so I don't understand the "bitter" comment. But if it refers to him being overly critical of the team, hasn't he been proven correct. Capers has been bad for years. TT hasn't built a good defense despite all the draft treasure invested, and McCarthy's offense has seemed stale even with Rodgers. We've won NFC North titles and been in the run for the SB but everyone and his brother knows it's because we have a transcendent QB. I don't think McGinn is alone in having been bitter about the Pack. Thankfully there is going to be a new era. May not turn out the way we all want, but there's hope.

Many of the draft comments separate out those that have performed well and those that haven't, quite accurately. But I wonder how much of that is the player and how much of that is the coach, specifically the position coach. If it is the coach to any real degree then the DL and LB coach changes are hard to fathom. That it might be coaching, on D at least, is suggested by the better statistical performance of players like Hayward and Hyde when they leave and the lack of improvement by players like House when they come back. So yeah let's see if the current personnel show improvement with new position coaches

TT stepped down for TT. After that retarded shot that made Talk of him on the web. (For his own piece of mind he stepped away.) TT still can come back if the new GM fails. So I'm not ready to condemn anyone but Capers. You saw the allegiance. The rest have to follow. MM lostControl of this club. NOT= the arrogance in his own coaching combined with his unwillingness to change ultimately doomed this team. The defense SUCKED. IT"S ALWAYS BEEN THE DEFENSE! He took back the play calling. He took bad picks. Hundley required to much coaching. He played what TT gave him. The Notice is for the players. MM should part ways with Hundley. The QB Coach. And Moss yet. He gives to much of himself. And didn't Sherman really teach us about what happens when a person does to much.

Those that feel MM should go just because we’ve had ARod think about this Mike Tomlin has boasted a top 5 QB and the number 1RB and 1WR for 5 years now and they haven’t won diddly squat, Tom Coughlin a 2x SB winning coach that beat the Packers twice then went on to beat the Patriots twice was allowed 3 straight losing seasons before he was let go, Marvin Lewis who was has never won a playoff game was given 15 years, Sean Payton who was caught up in a bounty scandal and has fielded some awful def is still employed. 3-4 coaches are SB winners and have borderline HOF to HOF QBs under center point is you don’t get rid of your SB winning HC because of his 2nd losing season and his first in 8 years. R-E-L-A-X

Why would Murphy say that a new GM must keep MM for at least one year? What if a great GM prospect believes MM is not the type coach he prefers?

MM certainly was not good at getting good coaches for STs and defenses.

Amen to that! MM would have multiple job offers within a week of any termination. He's a very good leader, maybe a tad too loyal at times. With Capers gone, all the defensive players and coaches are put on notice to get better or get out. I do think Capers' schemes were outdated and predictable. Stafford basically proved that with his last two games against the Pack. There aren't going to be very many good candidates that will pass up the opportunity to coach a defense when Aaron Rodgers is the QB. That alone probably improves the defensive ranking for the Packers by 4 -5 slots, just by his ability to keep the offense going and on the field.